Lamar Odom re-signs with Lakers

[Cebby]

Re: The Lamar Odom Saga

Well he'll get big minutes there, he'll be playing in a place that he loves, if they put together that roster it will be a hot FA destination (Caron Butler anyone?), and he can still sit on the beach and eat candy.

If they put together that roster, they couldn't sign any big free agents. Between Wade, Boozer, and Odom, there would be little if any money to do anything if the cap lowers.

[Stumbleweed]

Re: The Lamar Odom Saga

Well O'Neal expires after this year... that's $22+ mil freed up. Boozer and Odom would suck a lot of that up, but they'll have another exception to use next season and with the market looking the way it does, there will be good players who will be forced to sign for cheap. Having a good squad full of all-stars would make it more likely that they bag a good FA for a bargain than if it was an unhappy Wade + a bunch of cap room.

[DTX3]

Re: The Lamar Odom Saga

Even if Miami gives him 5 years it still makes little sense.

Miami 5 years for a total of about $33 mill

LAL 3 years for $30 mill

SMH. Odumb you slow. Your agent isn't to blame, it's you.. cokehead.

Candy is bad for you, kids. Odumb is ********.

Come to Charlotte Lamar...we got MJ.

You say that like it's a good thing.

[fluent2332]

Re: The Lamar Odom Saga

I don't understand this. How is Ariza dumb for wanting to step out and take a chance to make a name for himself with an organization that actually WANTED him?? He is going to start and get a chance to have more of an impact on a team.That doesn't sound dumb to me. But what reallly doesn't add up to me is that you was rooting for Gortat to do the same thing in the other thread and felt bad that Orlando is matching the deal. Isn't Orlando a far better team than Dallas??

his argument is "they offered him some money, that means they wanted him!!!11". if you can't understand how offering both ariza and odom short term contracts after they just won a championship is insulting, then there's no hope for you. it's like spending a few years at your job and doing everything you can to make the company better, sacrificing, etc. , pushing your company to one of the best in the world, only when it comes time to talk money they don't REALLY want to pay you. it's a simple concept that does have its complexities but you haven't been able to understand any of it, which by my guess is a lack of real world similar experience. so i wouldn't be calling these guys dumb when it seems like you're pretty ignorant yourself

[Kully]

Re: The Lamar Odom Saga

This is what I got from the RGM board (lol, remember this is from a bunch of Heat pseudo-accountants)

5 years, $34 mill in Florida = 5 years, $37.3 mill in California

1 year, $5.9 mill in Florida = 1 year, $6.48 mill in California

[ex carrabba fan]

Re: The Lamar Odom Saga

his argument is "they offered him some money, that means they wanted him!!!11". if you can't understand how offering both ariza and odom short term contracts after they just won a championship is insulting, then there's no hope for you. it's like spending a few years at your job and doing everything you can to make the company better, sacrificing, etc. , pushing your company to one of the best in the world, only when it comes time to talk money they don't REALLY want to pay you. it's a simple concept that does have its complexities but you haven't been able to understand any of it, which by my guess is a lack of real world similar experience. so i wouldn't be calling these guys dumb when it seems like you're pretty ignorant yourself

Nice. It's a shame it has to come down to name calling.

Do me a favor and take a look at LA's payroll and then take a look at the rules of the salary cap. I know we talk about millions of dollars like it's play money, but there are limits believe it or not.

If what LA offered Trevor and Lamar is insulting, then either you or I have the wrong definition of the term.

Lack of real world experience. Ok pal you got it

[ProfessaPackMan]

Re: Lamar Odom Contract Negotiations Stall?

i don't expect you to understand unless you've lived the same situation. which i have, and you haven't. real recognize real, others will know what i'm talking about.

You've been in the same situation as Ariza or Odom before?

[ex carrabba fan]

Re: Lamar Odom Contract Negotiations Stall?

You've been in the same situation as Ariza or Odom before?

Comparing pro sports to real life jobs FTL

Saying you'd take 5 years for 33 million over 4 years 36 million, then claiming that said team's offer of 4 years 36 million is insulting is also FTL

Dude keep tryin though, broken clocks get lucky every now and then

[23]

Re: Lamar Odom Contract Negotiations Stall?

any name calling goes into an infraction

[fluent2332]

Re: The Lamar Odom Saga

saying somebody is ignorant of something is not name calling. everyone is ignorant of some things. i didn't mean it in an abrasive way

I also admit the 4 year $36m contract is better than the initial offer was 3 yrs at $30m . I suppose it shows the Lakers willingness to deal a little bit and isn't as pathetic as the initial offer was. so i will man up and give them some credit there.

and I've been in similar enough situations to know about contracts and multiple sources vieing for your services, and about how much loyalty and respect exist in most business models. some still does exist, but most of the time it doesn't

[fluent2332]

Re: The Lamar Odom Saga

and yet i still get a warning for saying someone is ignorant. i think 23 is ignorant of what the term ignorant means.

[ex carrabba fan]

Re: The Lamar Odom Saga

saying somebody is ignorant of something is not name calling. everyone is ignorant of some things. i didn't mean it in an abrasive way

I also admit the 4 year $36m contract is better than the initial offer was 3 yrs at $30m . I suppose it shows the Lakers willingness to deal a little bit and isn't as pathetic as the initial offer was. so i will man up and give them some credit there.

and I've been in similar enough situations to know about contracts and multiple sources vieing for your services, and about how much loyalty and respect exist in most business models. some still does exist, but most of the time it doesn't

No manning up needed and I agree there was no name calling I shouldn't have even said anything. I don't wish to get into a petty interweb battle I just wanted to touch on the subject of LA not being "loyal".

I don't know if we can have a productive discussion on that subject, but I disagree with the notion that LA's dealings have been "insulting" this Summer.

Especially when you factor in how much they are already paying [or overpaying] their current staff.

[fluent2332]

Re: The Lamar Odom Saga

fair enough. their payroll is huge, i'll give you that. but shannon brown was signed before odom. and they have pieces that could be moved in order to clear cap. but it is what it is. i tend to get fired up about the subject because i have a more inside view of the workings of most companies. i will say that, maybe i'm wrong, but this is what it looks like to me. and we can agree to disagree

[ex carrabba fan]

Re: The Lamar Odom Saga

Shannon was signed with the Bi Annual exception, which has no effect on the salary cap if I'm not mistaken. So basically Ron Artest [Mid level exception] and Shannon had nothing to do with Lamar's negotiations.

LA was going to pay Lamar regardless of what moves they made prior to signing Lamar.

More food for thought:

This is what I would do.

Take the 3 year 30 million dollar deal
After that contract is completed, I'd be 32 or 33
I'd have a great shot at landing another MLE deal at 3 years 18 million or even 5 years 33 million depending on how I performed in my previous contract

That'd total 6 years 48 million or 8 years 63 million

Lamar is playing with fire right now fudging over a pointless 5th year.

Even if he sustains a career ending injury during his 3 year 30 million dollar deal, he'd definitely be ok assuming he has saved relatively wisely with his past huge contract.

The 5 years 33 mill deal just doesn't sound like a good choice at all.. He should have chose either the 3 year 30 or 4 year 36

[fluent2332]

Re: The Lamar Odom Saga

I think it comes down to Odom feeling this is his last chance at a 5 year, 'large' type of contract. Don't forget, he may be forecasting the economy for 3 years down the line and may not be comfortable taking that risk. It could turn out in 3 years he turns into a 3yr/12m type guy. This ultimately is his best shot to get a nice thick contract, which he definitely deserves based on his skills (obviously), but also his great attitude and the way he did whatever the Lakers wanted him to do. To me, those things would factor into my decision as a GM, and he would be a top priority to resign. If this meant I had to make some space by trading a player making $5m and under this year (Vujacic anyone? Kupchak has gotten creative in the past), in order to resign Odom, I'd do it. I would feel I owed it to him to do so. I don't know if Kupchak has explored any of those options or if he really cares to.

In the end it seems to me that Kupchak is saying: "yeah we want you Odom, but not bad enough to lose anyone else in order to try and keep you, even though you were such a big part of our championship run". That is the disloyalty I was talking about.