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  • wwharton
    *ll St*r
    • Aug 2002
    • 26949

    #12331
    Re: The LeBron James Thread

    Originally posted by The 24th Letter
    If Bosh & Wade were pulling their weight, while the rest of the role players were underperforming, then maybe we could talk about Bron possibly suppressing some other players talent.

    Right now, it doesn't really make sense...Bron has tried to get that team in rhythm almost to a fault. If Indy makes a few cheapies at the basket in Game 5, the Heat are probably in too big of a hole to even get that "Cleveland days" LeBron performance...
    These things don't often happen in a vacuum though which I tried to express before but with little data to really demonstrate the point. The "weight" Bosh is able to pull as proven in Toronto he hasn't approached besides in spots since moving to Miami. This is not only often overlooked but just brushed off to say he's a bum. Basically, even the successful half court offense still leaves Bosh as a shell of himself.

    With that said, it does allow for James and a healthy Wade to co-exist, and they do have a collection of role players that can successfully work off of two slashing stars. Wade not being 100% puts more pressure on the situation but when was the last time Wade was 100%? It's still the efficient Lebron that the Heat needs. His comments of needing to go back to the Cleveland days smells doom for them either tonight or in the finals.

    The problem is people debate so much about Lebron that every comment is taken as some kind of evaluation of his legacy, good or bad. I could care less how much he seems to have tried to get guys in rhythm, this approach isn't going to work. And all it says anything about is their success right now as a team... nothing about him individually. Just getting that out there so the discussion can stay focused. Lebron is fully capable (talent and skill-wise) but he's not the coach. He's got plenty to do out there and most likely can't also properly get a feel for the flow of the offense and the rhythm of the players around him... not unless he's TRULY embracing the PG role, which he can't/shouldn't do if he's taking on an even bigger scoring role than normal.

    The "star goes iso" style of play makes it harder on everyone to "step up"... it's just how it is. Stars NEED to take over like that at times, but the spots have to be picked and chosen carefully, and it's best if it can be done within an offense.

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    • ProfessaPackMan
      Bamma
      • Mar 2008
      • 63852

      #12332
      Re: The LeBron James Thread

      Originally posted by 23
      Doesn't matter

      Fall 7 times, get up 8
      Don't you mean Flop 7 times, get up 8?
      #RespectTheCulture

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      • 23
        yellow
        • Sep 2002
        • 66469

        #12333
        Re: The LeBron James Thread

        Originally posted by wwharton
        These things don't often happen in a vacuum though which I tried to express before but with little data to really demonstrate the point. The "weight" Bosh is able to pull as proven in Toronto he hasn't approached besides in spots since moving to Miami. This is not only often overlooked but just brushed off to say he's a bum. Basically, even the successful half court offense still leaves Bosh as a shell of himself.

        With that said, it does allow for James and a healthy Wade to co-exist, and they do have a collection of role players that can successfully work off of two slashing stars. Wade not being 100% puts more pressure on the situation but when was the last time Wade was 100%? It's still the efficient Lebron that the Heat needs. His comments of needing to go back to the Cleveland days smells doom for them either tonight or in the finals.

        The problem is people debate so much about Lebron that every comment is taken as some kind of evaluation of his legacy, good or bad. I could care less how much he seems to have tried to get guys in rhythm, this approach isn't going to work. And all it says anything about is their success right now as a team... nothing about him individually. Just getting that out there so the discussion can stay focused. Lebron is fully capable (talent and skill-wise) but he's not the coach. He's got plenty to do out there and most likely can't also properly get a feel for the flow of the offense and the rhythm of the players around him... not unless he's TRULY embracing the PG role, which he can't/shouldn't do if he's taking on an even bigger scoring role than normal.

        The "star goes iso" style of play makes it harder on everyone to "step up"... it's just how it is. Stars NEED to take over like that at times, but the spots have to be picked and chosen carefully, and it's best if it can be done within an offense.
        If im not mistaken Bosh played a bigger role in the offense on top of LeBron going into in the zone mode last year. In all it seems Spo has gone away froms some of the things that made them successful last year, going smaller, playing some guys less minutes ala MM, and pretty much having Bosh looking like he didn't even show up at the game (not blaming him for not scoring at all), but it seems like he hasn't really been involved as much as he should be.

        Theyre going to have to resolve these things because the complimentary points arent coming from the same areas as last season. They've played better for sure but the adjustments have been slow.

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        • ojandpizza
          Hall Of Fame
          • Apr 2011
          • 29807

          #12334
          It's Bosh's fault though. The guy refuses to move.. He just stands and watches hoping to get a decent spot up look.. That's terrible basketball for a 7 footer.. Especially when you have LeBron consistently hitting Birdman and Haslem for easy looks.. Bosh just needs to stop being so damn lazy and go make something happen.

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          • Hotobu
            MVP
            • Sep 2008
            • 1438

            #12335
            Re: The LeBron James Thread

            Originally posted by ojandpizza
            It's Bosh's fault though. The guy refuses to move.. He just stands and watches hoping to get a decent spot up look.. That's terrible basketball for a 7 footer.. Especially when you have LeBron consistently hitting Birdman and Haslem for easy looks.. Bosh just needs to stop being so damn lazy and go make something happen.
            They got the wrong big from Toronto. Shoulda picked up Bargnani. They could've saved money.

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            • BlueNGold
              Hall Of Fame
              • Aug 2009
              • 21817

              #12336
              Re: The LeBron James Thread

              Originally posted by Hotobu
              They got the wrong big from Toronto. Shoulda picked up Bargnani. They could've saved money.
              What?

              They've made it to three straight Finals, won one title and won 27 straight games with him on the team but they picked the wrong guy? Okay.
              Originally posted by bradtxmale
              I like 6 inches. Its not too thin and not too thick. You get the support your body needs.



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              • Hotobu
                MVP
                • Sep 2008
                • 1438

                #12337
                Re: The LeBron James Thread

                What? ... oh wait.

                I forgot that this is a forum where every comment has to be completely spelled out in order for some people get it or else it'll be interpreted literally.

                You see: He called Bosh a 7 footer that refuses to move, and just stands there for a decent spot up. He also said he's lazy and needs to make something happen, so I compared him to Bargnani. Okay.

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                • 23
                  yellow
                  • Sep 2002
                  • 66469

                  #12338
                  Re: The LeBron James Thread

                  Originally posted by Hotobu
                  What? ... oh wait.

                  I forgot that this is a forum where every comment has to be completely spelled out in order for some people get it or else it'll be interpreted literally.

                  You see: He called Bosh a 7 footer that refuses to move, and just stands there for a decent spot up. He also said he's lazy and needs to make something happen, so I compared him to Bargnani. Okay.
                  Agreed here, great analogy

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                  • BlueNGold
                    Hall Of Fame
                    • Aug 2009
                    • 21817

                    #12339
                    Re: The LeBron James Thread

                    Originally posted by Hotobu
                    What? ... oh wait.

                    I forgot that this is a forum where every comment has to be completely spelled out in order for some people get it or else it'll be interpreted literally.

                    You see: He called Bosh a 7 footer that refuses to move, and just stands there for a decent spot up. He also said he's lazy and needs to make something happen, so I compared him to Bargnani. Okay.
                    Oh ****, my bad.

                    I guess it helps to read the quoted post sometimes.
                    Originally posted by bradtxmale
                    I like 6 inches. Its not too thin and not too thick. You get the support your body needs.



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                    • ojandpizza
                      Hall Of Fame
                      • Apr 2011
                      • 29807

                      #12340
                      Originally posted by Hotobu
                      They got the wrong big from Toronto. Shoulda picked up Bargnani. They could've saved money.
                      Haha no.. I was referring to Bosh in the series, not his entire stint with Miami.. Bargs would have probably given them as much production as Bosh did this past series though.. Which was basically nothing lol

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                      • 24
                        Forever A Legend
                        • Sep 2008
                        • 2809

                        #12341
                        Re: The LeBron James Thread

                        Originally posted by JFT
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                        Last edited by wwharton; 06-04-2013, 03:50 PM.


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                        • wwharton
                          *ll St*r
                          • Aug 2002
                          • 26949

                          #12342
                          Re: The LeBron James Thread

                          Originally posted by 23
                          If im not mistaken Bosh played a bigger role in the offense on top of LeBron going into in the zone mode last year. In all it seems Spo has gone away froms some of the things that made them successful last year, going smaller, playing some guys less minutes ala MM, and pretty much having Bosh looking like he didn't even show up at the game (not blaming him for not scoring at all), but it seems like he hasn't really been involved as much as he should be.

                          Theyre going to have to resolve these things because the complimentary points arent coming from the same areas as last season. They've played better for sure but the adjustments have been slow.
                          He did. I'm wondering if it has to do with the match ups though. Bosh clearly is no match for Hibbert, and overall I think Spro wants to find more ways of getting Allen on the court and Battier off it for that Pacers series. I expect Bosh to have a bigger role vs the Spurs so we'll see.

                          The going smaller thing is tough bc it's possibly what began getting LBJ playing more in and around the post. He should be able to function there out of the 2 or 3 spot but haven't watched enough games to say whether he's really comfortable doing that or not (or if the offense works right with him doing that). But I think trying to get all the guards that deserve time on the floor has been a bit of an issue (relatively speaking, of course) with the rotation.

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                          • Teddy_Long
                            MVP
                            • Jul 2003
                            • 2458

                            #12343
                            Re: The LeBron James Thread

                            saw this on pti, better all time great lebron or duncan?

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                            • ojandpizza
                              Hall Of Fame
                              • Apr 2011
                              • 29807

                              #12344
                              Originally posted by Teddy_Long
                              saw this on pti, better all time great lebron or duncan?
                              That's too hard of a comparison to make, there really is no comparison in how either of them play. Might as well be Jordan vs Shaq.... Both play completely different styles..

                              As of right now though I think you take Duncan, LeBron still has lots more to accomplish before he's done..

                              Either way they will both go down among the all time greats at their positions..

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                              • Teddy_Long
                                MVP
                                • Jul 2003
                                • 2458

                                #12345
                                Re: The LeBron James Thread

                                Originally posted by ojandpizza
                                That's too hard of a comparison to make, there really is no comparison in how either of them play. Might as well be Jordan vs Shaq.... Both play completely different styles..

                                As of right now though I think you take Duncan, LeBron still has lots more to accomplish before he's done..

                                Either way they will both go down among the all time greats at their positions..
                                i agree. i notice though how big men are always undervalued now.
                                Last edited by Teddy_Long; 06-04-2013, 06:46 PM.

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