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  • crusaderhoops10
    Rookie
    • Mar 2005
    • 268

    #9406
    Re: Scottie Pippen: Lebron greater than Jordan

    It's annoying we are going to have to keep dealing with this again. First with Kobe being the next MJ and now LeBron. At least Kobe played pretty similarly to MJ but he definitely was no MJ at the end of the day.

    LeBron is a different player and tries to be more all-around. MJ did whatever it took to win better than anyone and was the most skilled, talented player ever.

    And I feel like most everyone especially young people remember MJ when he was at the tail end of his career. Because he was still great then in the late 90's and still the best player in the NBA, we think that's how he always was in his career.

    How LeBron is so physically and athletically superior now, MJ was that and even crazier when he was LeBron's age. If you watch those games in the late 80's and early 90's of MJ it's simply breathtaking to watch. The way he elevates and the speed he has it's like if you combined Rose and Westbrook's athleticism and then put it in a 6'6'' body.

    My point with that is it seems easier to compare LeBron to MJ when we think of the athlete LeBron is now which everyone classifies as "biggest freak ever" and then compare to what we saw when MJ was winning titles. There was a time when MJ was younger and was a better athlete than LeBron in my opinion.

    All of that being said, I have always thought LeBron had the best chance to get to MJ's greatness level. I think he'll do it a different way if he does and be more like a Wilt or Magic mold but ultimately, he will be LeBron and the only LeBron ever.

    He's no MJ though, espcially not yet. Needs to win at least 4 titles to get in the conversation.

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    • Bumi
      Banned
      • Sep 2010
      • 967

      #9407
      Re: Where does LeBron rank all-time?

      Originally posted by Yeah...THAT Guy
      Seriously. Paul and Rondo don't even average 20 a game. Has Rondo ever scored 40 in a game? Last I knew his career high was 32.

      And how many times has Paul scored 40? Twice?
      The Rondo comment about dropping 40 was ******** on my part.

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      • Jano
        You Dead Wrong
        • May 2004
        • 3161

        #9408
        Re: Scottie Pippen: Lebron greater than Jordan

        Originally posted by da ThRONe
        I agree with Pippen honestly the Jordan love is sickening. LeBron doesn't have the resume as Jordan so as of now Jordan is the G.O.A.T. but I think LeBron is the better player. If I went through and graded their games I would score LeBron higher then Jordan. Being better and having a better career are two different things. I think LeBron is better I think Jordan has had the greatest career of any basketball player to date. Does the fact I think LeBron is better will mean his career will be better who knows.
        In bold that is the truth right there! I didn't get to watch much of Jordan growing up but that is to me what makes Jordan the GOAT.

        The guys career just speaks for itself all of the awards (MVP, DPOY, Rings, etc) is what puts him in another stratosphere. He may not have had the all around game that LBJ has, from a statistical standpoint I mean like year in and year out numbers.

        But the guys legend just blows every player out of the water and it's going to take a really special player to unseat him. I think LBJ has the tools (Physically) to do it though... but as of right NOW he isn't the greatest player ever that was a real premature thing for Scottie to say imo.

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        • Bumi
          Banned
          • Sep 2010
          • 967

          #9409
          Re: Where does LeBron rank all-time?

          Originally posted by KSUowls
          A bunch of guys have posted great numbers. Few can claim to be as dominating ad Lebron is, and even fewer can claim to be complete players like Lebron.

          speed, agility, strength, vision, shooting ability, rebounding, penetration ability, passing, defending, ability to create your own shot, etc...A lot of guys can put up good numbers for their positions. How many can you point to and say he has the skills to play any of the 1-4 positions and still be great? That versatility gives him a dynamic that no other player in the league has.
          Oscar Robinson is more versatile than Wilt.

          LeBron doesn't have the skills to play the 4.
          Last edited by Bumi; 05-27-2011, 02:59 PM.

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          • ANDROMADA 1
            So long to a Legend.
            • Dec 2008
            • 5024

            #9410
            Re: Scottie Pippen: Lebron greater than Jordan

            Scottie must have some really good stuff that he um, ingests. Just say No!

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            • CWSapp757
              SimWorld Draft Class Guru
              • Aug 2008
              • 4651

              #9411
              Re: Scottie Pippen: Lebron greater than Jordan

              As someone else has said, I'm sure he won't have the career that MJ had but I don't think its so ridiculous to say that he could be a better player. But then again, this is MJ we are talking about smh.
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              • RayAllen20
                MVP
                • Jun 2009
                • 1825

                #9412
                Re: Scottie Pippen: Lebron greater than Jordan

                Originally posted by Sportsforever
                I do find it funny that it's Pippen, the guy who without Jordan would never have been ranked as a "top 50 player of all time".
                Well without Pippen, Jordan probably isn't considered the greatest.

                I also find it ridiculous the amount of hate LeBron gets. The Decision was a terrible, terrible, awful idea, but the decision to go to Miami was not bad at all. Cleveland had one of the worst GMs that had about 4 years to get him a good sidekick. Mo Williams??? The Bulls with Jordan had 4 players better than him. Also, the media and fans love to say they like players who will do anything to win. So LeBron sacrificed some money and joined Wade and Bosh. Then Jordan comes out and says that he never would've taken that shortcut. That's because he never had to. Pippen averaged 22 and 6 in the playoffs for his first ring. Pippen's pretty close to Wade, and the rest of the Bulls were also very good. While I still think Jordan was better, LeBron could get the next 7 rings, so it's ridiculous to say it's impossible.

                Basically LeBron had to choose probably going through his career with a crappy team and getting no rings and then being called the ringless king for the rest of his life. Or he could go to Miami, be hated, but possibly get 6 rings and be respected. Second options way better.
                I will always, always be a Jets fan. But trust me it hurts.

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                • wwharton
                  *ll St*r
                  • Aug 2002
                  • 26949

                  #9413
                  Re: Scottie Pippen: Lebron greater than Jordan

                  Originally posted by CWSapp757
                  As someone else has said, I'm sure he won't have the career that MJ had but I don't think its so ridiculous to say that he could be a better player. But then again, this is MJ we are talking about smh.
                  It's not ridiculous to say he could be a better player, but that's not what Pippen said. Even Mike and Mike were a bit speechless when he said it. He made a point to say Jordan is the greatest "scorer" ever BUT Lebron may be the best "player" ever. It wasn't future tense, he was talking right now. And sorry, that's crazy.

                  Originally posted by RayAllen20
                  Well without Pippen, Jordan probably isn't considered the greatest.

                  I also find it ridiculous the amount of hate LeBron gets. The Decision was a terrible, terrible, awful idea, but the decision to go to Miami was not bad at all. Cleveland had one of the worst GMs that had about 4 years to get him a good sidekick. Mo Williams??? The Bulls with Jordan had 4 players better than him. Also, the media and fans love to say they like players who will do anything to win. So LeBron sacrificed some money and joined Wade and Bosh. Then Jordan comes out and says that he never would've taken that shortcut. That's because he never had to. Pippen averaged 22 and 6 in the playoffs for his first ring. Pippen's pretty close to Wade, and the rest of the Bulls were also very good. While I still think Jordan was better, LeBron could get the next 7 rings, so it's ridiculous to say it's impossible.

                  Basically LeBron had to choose probably going through his career with a crappy team and getting no rings and then being called the ringless king for the rest of his life. Or he could go to Miami, be hated, but possibly get 6 rings and be respected. Second options way better.
                  At the point in his career where Lebron currently is, Jordan didn't have Pippen... and Pippen was brought over in a trade after being drafted. Nobody knew what Pippen would become. The point Jordan was making is that he would not have left his team to play with other already established stars to chase a ring. Agree or disagree, but that's his point and his situation was pretty similar to Lebron's up to this point in both of their careers.

                  Either way, there are already two threads with discussions about "the decision" and all things lebron going on. This one is being allowed to exist bc it's more about Pippen's statements. If you want to talk about that stuff, please use one of those other threads.

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                  • BlueNGold
                    Hall Of Fame
                    • Aug 2009
                    • 21817

                    #9414
                    Re: Scottie Pippen: Lebron greater than Jordan

                    Originally posted by 23
                    On the real... they know they need to quit all of this Mike comparison

                    Let these dudes be their own players... it was only one Mike

                    Let it be said the same for LeBron when he retires
                    Finally someone says this.

                    Couldn't agree more.
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                    I like 6 inches. Its not too thin and not too thick. You get the support your body needs.



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                    • ProfessaPackMan
                      Bamma
                      • Mar 2008
                      • 63852

                      #9415
                      Re: Scottie Pippen: Lebron greater than Jordan

                      Damn, only a "scorer" though, Scottie?

                      He made it sound like that's all MJ did since that's basically what a "scorer" is nowadays(or at least to this generation).
                      #RespectTheCulture

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                      • wwharton
                        *ll St*r
                        • Aug 2002
                        • 26949

                        #9416
                        Re: Scottie Pippen: Lebron greater than Jordan

                        Originally posted by ProfessaPackMan
                        Damn, only a "scorer" though, Scottie?

                        He made it sound like that's all MJ did since that's basically what a "scorer" is nowadays(or at least to this generation).
                        EXACTLY! Definitely some bitterness behind that statement. Even if he didn't talk about James at all, just saying specifically that Jordan was the greatest "scorer" ever is a powerful statement coming from Pippen.

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                        • HHHBigFan
                          Pro
                          • Feb 2004
                          • 635

                          #9417
                          Re: The LeBron James Thread

                          Pippen needs to STFU and never say some stupid crap like this again..

                          A. Who was it that gave him 6 rings? Oh yeah, MJ

                          B. LeBron will probably finish in the Top 5 all time when his career is over but #1 is set in stone, concrete and then set again with MJ's name.

                          Just my opinion..

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                          • Court_vision
                            Banned
                            • Oct 2002
                            • 8290

                            #9418
                            Re: The LeBron James Thread

                            Originally posted by HHHBigFan
                            Pippen needs to STFU and never say some stupid crap like this again..

                            A. Who was it that gave him 6 rings? Oh yeah, MJ
                            Without Pip...MJ doesn't get those six rings either bro.

                            I think what Scottie is saying is that LeBron:

                            Brings the ball up to start the offense...and creates for other players...and often gets the defensive assignment on the other teams best player...and is expected to lead the team in scoring...and lead the team D...

                            MJ didn't have to do run the offense as the main distributor (Pippen did that) and MJ rarely got the toughest defensive assignment (Pippen did).

                            So...what Scottie is saying is that LeBron has to do a lot more and therefore could 'potentially' be the best ever if their careers ended with the same amount of rings etc.

                            The one thing this misses though is MJ had an absolutely killer winner's mentality / competitive edge.

                            LeBron doesn't have anything close to it IMO.

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                            • 23
                              yellow
                              • Sep 2002
                              • 66469

                              #9419
                              Re: The LeBron James Thread

                              Originally posted by Court_vision
                              Without Pip...MJ doesn't get those six rings either bro.

                              Youre right because the Bulls couldnt win when he was welting under pressure with migrane headaches because of the Pistons, while MJ tried to carry the team and he was no help

                              That said, MJ as a guard averaged 8 assists for a season, something you cannot say for a shooting guard, let alone a guy leading the league in scoring at the same time, so really, the comparison and points he's making makes no sense

                              Let LeBron finish his career first

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                              • The 24th Letter
                                ERA
                                • Oct 2007
                                • 39373

                                #9420
                                Re: The LeBron James Thread

                                he sure gave the Pistons migraines that next year though...

                                21 8 and 5 throughout the playoffs i believe

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