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  • wwharton
    *ll St*r
    • Aug 2002
    • 26949

    #11596
    Re: The LeBron James Thread

    Originally posted by King_B_Mack
    My man if you wanna make an argument for something then do that, but leave the revisionist history out of it. The situation people made up just because it was LeBron? GTFOH with that for real. You're a better poster than that man.
    Gotta agree with King on this. People are going into detail with their responses bc this has been talked about for weeks if not months in this very thread. If you want to know where everyone stands, just go back and read through. No reason to restart that back and forth again and I don't think anyone is taking the bait.

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    • ojandpizza
      Hall Of Fame
      • Apr 2011
      • 29807

      #11597
      Originally posted by wwharton
      Gotta agree with King on this. People are going into detail with their responses bc this has been talked about for weeks if not months in this very thread. If you want to know where everyone stands, just go back and read through. No reason to restart that back and forth again and I don't think anyone is taking the bait.
      I have no idea what you're even saying. Switching teams should never hurt a players "legacy". That's all I'm saying. I don't care to know where people stand, somebody made a comment basically saying he hurt his legacy just because he left one team for another, how is that true? People can leave teams without it effecting their on court "legacy". It's not about the name on the front of the jersey it's about the name on the back and how much that name can accomplish.

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      • JODYE
        JB4MVP
        • May 2012
        • 4834

        #11598
        Re: The LeBron James Thread

        Originally posted by ojandpizza
        I have no idea what you're even saying. Switching teams should never hurt a players "legacy". That's all I'm saying. I don't care to know where people stand, somebody made a comment basically saying he hurt his legacy just because he left one team for another, how is that true? People can leave teams without it effecting their on court "legacy". It's not about the name on the front of the jersey it's about the name on the back and how much that name can accomplish.
        And then went on to list 6-7 players whose situation when they switched teams was completely different than LeBron's. Most being in the twilight of their career.

        You're grasping for straws with that rationalization.
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        • ojandpizza
          Hall Of Fame
          • Apr 2011
          • 29807

          #11599
          Originally posted by 13
          And then went on to list 6-7 players whose situation when they switched teams was completely different than LeBron's. Most being in the twilight of their career.

          You're grasping for straws with that rationalization.
          Actually each players situation was totally different from the next on the list... That was kinda my point, reason should not matter.

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          • wwharton
            *ll St*r
            • Aug 2002
            • 26949

            #11600
            Re: The LeBron James Thread

            Originally posted by ojandpizza
            I have no idea what you're even saying. Switching teams should never hurt a players "legacy". That's all I'm saying. I don't care to know where people stand, somebody made a comment basically saying he hurt his legacy just because he left one team for another, how is that true? People can leave teams without it effecting their on court "legacy". It's not about the name on the front of the jersey it's about the name on the back and how much that name can accomplish.
            I'm saying it's already been discussed... in this thread. If you don't care where people stand on it then just move on. If you want a discussion on it, go back a few (hundred) pages and just read up. I have a feeling you were around when this was being discussed before so I don't know why you're rehashing it.

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            • JODYE
              JB4MVP
              • May 2012
              • 4834

              #11601
              Re: The LeBron James Thread

              Actually each players situation was totally different from the next on the list... That was kinda my point, reason should not matter.
              Eh, if were basing that on technicalities maybe, but not really.

              Not going to get into this again though.
              Last edited by JODYE; 01-16-2013, 12:54 PM.
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              • King_B_Mack
                All Star
                • Jan 2009
                • 24450

                #11602
                Re: The LeBron James Thread

                Originally posted by ojandpizza
                I have no idea what you're even saying. Switching teams should never hurt a players "legacy". That's all I'm saying. I don't care to know where people stand, somebody made a comment basically saying he hurt his legacy just because he left one team for another, how is that true? People can leave teams without it effecting their on court "legacy". It's not about the name on the front of the jersey it's about the name on the back and how much that name can accomplish.
                I'm gonna say this and then I'm done with this particular discussion. What you incorrectly tried to do is lay this at everybody else's lap but LeBron's. Saying that there wasn't a situation but the one people made up? That is incorrect. Trying to revise what happened to being a "grown man decided to change teams" doesn't tell the whole story and actually isn't very true either. A grown man does what every other grown man does when they change teams. They change teams, end of story. LeBron, decided to make a spectacle of his changing teams and decided to kick dirt on the fans and team that he was leaving in the process of doing it. That team allowed him to basically do whatever the hell he wanted to do for the seven years he was there. He came and went as he pleased, his buddies did the same and he had it pretty sweet for the time he was there. The fans loved him and allowed him to do whatever he wanted as well because he was a hometown hero. He kept them all in the dark and dragged them through the mud waiting for his decision. He didn't answer or return calls that the Cavs made to him during the entire process and then didn't even have the decency, LIKE A MAN to call them and let them know his decision before he went on National (hell probably worldwide) television and kicked them in the nuts choosing Miami and running out on his promise to deliver them a title and making them a further punchline than Cleveland already was in the sports world. Not to mention the fact that what he did allowed ESPN to put their cameras in the faces of people in Cleveland to capture the moment their hearts were ripped out of them by him.

                As for the legacy talk. LeBron altered his legacy because he shattered his aura of invincibility with what he did. There's a certain status that public figures can reach where they're at a godlike status. Michael Jordan was there at one point, Kobe Bryant was there, Michael Jackson, Mike Tyson, Tom Brady was there, etc. LeBron could do no wrong, his image was untouchable. Everything he did was done the right way. He said all the right things, made all the right moves. What he did changed all that. It changed people's perceptions of him, it changed writers' perception of him. The way LeBron's story is written now, will be different to the way it would have been before this. That doesn't even touch the status he would have reached had he made good on his promise and delivered that title to Cleveland. Even now, if he went back in a few years and eventually won it wouldn't be the same feeling. Cleveland would be overjoyed at finally having that title, but it'll be different than it would have been having LeBron and Cleveland go through those pains together and finally reach that goal together. So yes, there's a difference in the situations of Michael Jordan changing teams retiring and then coming back for two years to lead by example with the team he's a part owner of. There's a difference between Scottie Pippen changing teams by getting traded to the Rockets or KG being traded to the Celtics after having to be talked into not blocking the trade from happening.
                Last edited by King_B_Mack; 01-16-2013, 01:58 PM.

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                • JODYE
                  JB4MVP
                  • May 2012
                  • 4834

                  #11603
                  Re: The LeBron James Thread

                  Pretty much what I wanted to say, but didn't feel like wasting my energy lol
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                  • The 24th Letter
                    ERA
                    • Oct 2007
                    • 39373

                    #11604
                    On to something that hasn't been discussed 10,000,000 times.

                    Bron is 2 assists away from 5k tonight, pretty impressive.

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                    • bigbob
                      MVP
                      • Sep 2007
                      • 10471

                      #11605
                      Re: The LeBron James Thread

                      What was all this nonsense about LeBron and Cleveland again?

                      Before I left for work this morning, they had all that LeBron stuff on and they put "LeBron to Cleveland?" and then quickly removed it.

                      I'm sure it was nothing.
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                      • King_B_Mack
                        All Star
                        • Jan 2009
                        • 24450

                        #11606
                        Re: The LeBron James Thread

                        Originally posted by bigbob
                        What was all this nonsense about LeBron and Cleveland again?

                        Before I left for work this morning, they had all that LeBron stuff on and they put "LeBron to Cleveland?" and then quickly removed it.

                        I'm sure it was nothing.
                        Nothing really. Just some goofball "journalist" trying to get the early jump on the LeBron sweepstakes like they were doing back in 2010.

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                        • ojandpizza
                          Hall Of Fame
                          • Apr 2011
                          • 29807

                          #11607
                          I guess we disagree.. LeBron left a team for another just as TONS of great players have. Hell even lots of players from the 50 greatest players list. There is nothing wrong with that.

                          I don't see how him leaving tarnishes his legacy of on court performance. The ESPN segment had nothing to do with what he accomplishes as a player. Zero. Just like Jordan's gambling, and "bad" teammate reputation, Kobe raping a girl, Barkley for starting bar fights, Wilt sleeping with a million girls and never having the winning attitude, plenty of players for drug use, Rodman for everything he did.. Etc... Hell even Jordan quitting on his team in his prime to go play another sport didnt tarnish his legacy in any way.

                          My point is, anything a player does off the court isn't going to effect their legacy for what they achieved on the court.
                          Last edited by ojandpizza; 01-16-2013, 04:13 PM.

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                          • JODYE
                            JB4MVP
                            • May 2012
                            • 4834

                            #11608
                            Re: The LeBron James Thread

                            Originally posted by ojandpizza
                            I guess we disagree.. LeBron left a team for another just as TONS of great players have. Hell even lots of players from the 50 greatest players list. There is nothing wrong with that.

                            I don't see how him leaving tarnishes his legacy of on court performance. The ESPN segment had nothing to do with what he accomplishes as a player. Zero. Just like Jordan's gambling, and "bad" teammate reputation, Kobe raping a girl, Barkley for starting bar fights, Wilt sleeping with a million girls and never having the winning attitude, plenty of players for drug use, Rodman for everything he did.. Etc... Hell even Jordan quitting on his team in his prime to go play another sport didnt tarnish his legacy in any way.

                            My point is, anything a player does off the court isn't going to effect their legacy for what they achieved on the court.
                            These are for you sir:

                            Last edited by JODYE; 01-16-2013, 04:18 PM.
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                            • Nathan_OS
                              MVP
                              • Jun 2011
                              • 4465

                              #11609
                              Originally posted by ojandpizza
                              I guess we disagree.. LeBron left a team for another just as TONS of great players have. Hell even lots of players from the 50 greatest players list. There is nothing wrong with that.

                              I don't see how him leaving tarnishes his legacy of on court performance. The ESPN segment had nothing to do with what he accomplishes as a player. Zero. Just like Jordan's gambling, and "bad" teammate reputation, Kobe raping a girl, Barkley for starting bar fights, Wilt sleeping with a million girls and never having the winning attitude, plenty of players for drug use, Rodman for everything he did.. Etc... Hell even Jordan quitting on his team in his prime to go play another sport didnt tarnish his legacy in any way.

                              My point is, anything a player does off the court isn't going to effect their legacy for what they achieved on the court.
                              Someone must be posting for you, cause this is just bad quality posts man.


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                              • ojandpizza
                                Hall Of Fame
                                • Apr 2011
                                • 29807

                                #11610
                                As a LeBron and Jordan fan I can honestly say that I was probably 10times more angry at Jordan for leaving the world champion Bulls for baseball than I was at LeBron for leaving the losing Cavs to a legit contender.

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