who would you rather have, Dirk or Pau?

[JBH3]

Re: who would you rather have, Dirk or Pau?

One thing about Dirk that people overlook is his efficiency. Everyone knows he is the go to guy for the Mavs, but it's rare that a go to guy with such a usage rate is as efficient as Nowitzki. Dallas turned the ball over less often than all but two teams in the league, and that starts with Dirk.

(from twomangame.com) "Nowitzki's combination of high usage rate (28.8%) and low turnover rate (7.8%) are startling, even when cast against the league's other elite players. Comb through the history books, and in only 8 instances in history has a player (with an 800-minutes played prerequisite) posted a turnover rate lower than 8% and a usage rate higher than 28% over the course of a season. Three of those instances belong to Dirk. This is a special place in the league pantheon that Nowitzki inhabits."

http://www.thetwomangame.com/category/commentary/

^ This....but also...his durability.

He's played no less than 77 games a year, aside from his rookie season. Gasol has had multiple injury-plaqued years. Can't just overlook durability...

[jeebs9]

Re: who would you rather have, Dirk or Pau?

If this thread was called "who is better?" I might still be posting in here. But its called "who would you rather have?" Basically a opinion style thing. Its like those thread in the 2k section "which is the best camera angle" threads. Both have their weakness and strengths. I think this thread should be called "If you started a team which" lol

[slimm44]

Re: who would you rather have, Dirk or Pau?

If this thread was called "who is better?" I might still be posting in here. But its called "who would you rather have?" Basically a opinion style thing. Its like those thread in the 2k section "which is the best camera angle" threads. Both have their weakness and strengths. I think this thread should be called "If you started a team which" lol

True. The way it is now, this thing is gonna go on forever. It's an open-ended argument - the only way it ends is if we all stop talking about it. And let's be real, this is a message board...we're not gonna stop talking about it. Everytime I try to stay away, I get sucked back in.

[jeebs9]

Re: who would you rather have, Dirk or Pau?

LMAO!! Exactly^^

[sportyguyfl31]

Re: who would you rather have, Dirk or Pau?

Wow..still amazed that is is anywhere, remotely close.

For some reason, Dirk's greatness remains horridly underrated.

The man has won a MVP

He makes crunch time shots,

At 7" he's one of the greatest shooters int he history of the game, and handles the ball like small forward.


Dirk is a slam, dunk, no doubt, first ballot hall of fame player.

[ex carrabba fan]

Re: who would you rather have, Dirk or Pau?

Wow..still amazed that is is anywhere, remotely close.

For some reason, Dirk's greatness remains horridly underrated.

The man has won a MVP

He makes crunch time shots,

At 7" he's one of the greatest shooters int he history of the game, and handles the ball like small forward.


Dirk is a slam, dunk, no doubt, first ballot hall of fame player.

Just wondering if you read through any of the thread before making this post

[ZB9]

Re: who would you rather have, Dirk or Pau?

You really cant go wrong with either choice. Both are great players. It does depend on what situation and what personnel you have when it comes to the player you choose.

When it comes to the Lakers, if it aint broke dont try and fix it. Ex and any Laker fan would obviously take Pau over Dirk. Gasol fits with Kobe and Phil Jackson perfectly and was the final piece of the championship puzzle. I would bet that they would have won a championship also with Dirk...but we dont know that obviously. All we know is that Pau fits that Lakers team perfectly and they won back to back chips.

If I had Lebron, I would choose Dirk. That would be deadly, probably moreso than Lebron and Bosh.

If I had Dwight Howard or Yao Ming, I would choose Dirk.

If I didnt have a "batman" or a "robin", I would choose Dirk.

but again you cant go wrong with either player. both are great

[ex carrabba fan]

Re: who would you rather have, Dirk or Pau?

I agree with you Z.

LeBron and Dirk actually would be , I would prob prefer Dirk because of styles. I could see LeBron doing his thing and then whipping it all around floor for Dirk to splash it.

If I had Durant I'd take Pau

If I had Wade I'd take Pau

Kobe-- either one can't go wrong

I would take Dirk if I knew my team didn't already have a Batman/Robin.

[ex carrabba fan]

Re: who would you rather have, Dirk or Pau?

Offensively speaking: another way to look at is that Dirk really can "look good" and produce in any system. His skills allow him to fit right in any place and he's not dependent on guards or a system to get him in position to score.

I agree that Pau under the triangle and his support allows him to look "this good". If you put current Pau on a bottom dweller, it's not gonna help things much. If you put Dirk on a bottom dweller you'll probably see a greater impact in regular season wins.

Still, that's when you bring other scenarios into play like the ones I've brought up previously. I might prefer a guy who may be a little inferior to Dirk, but who can rebound/defend the paint, play the center and still has a great offensive skill set himself.

[slimm44]

Re: who would you rather have, Dirk or Pau?

You really cant go wrong with either choice. Both are great players. It does depend on what situation and what personnel you have when it comes to the player you choose.

When it comes to the Lakers, if it aint broke dont try and fix it. Ex and any Laker fan would obviously take Pau over Dirk. Gasol fits with Kobe and Phil Jackson perfectly and was the final piece of the championship puzzle. I would bet that they would have won a championship also with Dirk...but we dont know that obviously. All we know is that Pau fits that Lakers team perfectly and they won back to back chips.

If I had Lebron, I would choose Dirk. That would be deadly, probably moreso than Lebron and Bosh.

If I had Dwight Howard or Yao Ming, I would choose Dirk.

If I didnt have a "batman" or a "robin", I would choose Dirk.

but again you cant go wrong with either player. both are great

I agree with you Z.

LeBron and Dirk actually would be , I would prob prefer Dirk because of styles. I could see LeBron doing his thing and then whipping it all around floor for Dirk to splash it.

If I had Durant I'd take Pau

If I had Wade I'd take Pau

Kobe-- either one can't go wrong

I would take Dirk if I knew my team didn't already have a Batman/Robin.

Offensively speaking: another way to look at is that Dirk really can "look good" and produce in any system. His skills allow him to fit right in any place and he's not dependent on guards or a system to get him in position to score.

I agree that Pau under the triangle and his support allows him to look "this good". If you put current Pau on a bottom dweller, it's not gonna help things much. If you put Dirk on a bottom dweller you'll probably see a greater impact in regular season wins.

Still, that's when you bring other scenarios into play like the ones I've brought up previously. I might prefer a guy who may be a little inferior to Dirk, but who can rebound/defend the paint, play the center and still has a great offensive skill set himself.

Uh Oh. Last night, I said I was excited to see the Clippers play. Today, I'm saying I agree with Ex. What's the world coming to?

[ZB9]

Re: who would you rather have, Dirk or Pau?

good points ex

but about Dirk's rebounding...
Last night Dirk had 13 boards. It was his 198th game with at least 25 points and 10 rebounds. That is the most such games in the NBA since 2000-2001.

Dirk has the 61st most rebounds in NBA history. He can rebound a little bit when needed

[3rdAnswer]

Re: who would you rather have, Dirk or Pau?

First of all stats don't matter, because they only show how someone can perform given certain circumstances. Dirk and Pau may be close when it comes to numbers in rebounding, but the Lakers have a lot of great rebounders on their team, so Pau doesn't have to average double digit rebounds.

Second of all I'll take Pau simply because of the fact that he has a post game, he rebounds, defends, and passes. He makes game winning plays on both sides of the floor. Dirk is an elite player, but his presence is not felt at the defensive end, it just isn't. He doesn't change the game at all when it comes to the intangibles. Dirk will lead your team offensively, but that's about it. He doesn't really create for others either.

[sportyguyfl31]

Re: who would you rather have, Dirk or Pau?

Just wondering if you read through any of the thread before making this post

Nah, I confess to laziness on this one!

[JBH3]

Re: who would you rather have, Dirk or Pau?

First of all stats don't matter, because they only show how someone can perform given certain circumstances. Dirk and Pau may be close when it comes to numbers in rebounding, but the Lakers have a lot of great rebounders on their team, so Pau doesn't have to average double digit rebounds.

Second of all I'll take Pau simply because of the fact that he has a post game, he rebounds, defends, and passes. He makes game winning plays on both sides of the floor. Dirk is an elite player, but his presence is not felt at the defensive end, it just isn't. He doesn't change the game at all when it comes to the intangibles. Dirk will lead your team offensively, but that's about it. He doesn't really create for others either.

Dirk doesn't pass more because he's more a focal point of the offense than Gasol. How can you hold it against him that he doesn't create? He's the one who his teammates are going to, to create offense. That sword cuts one way.

As for rebounds...Dirk plays where PFs play on defense and gets about 7 drebs a game (based on 09-10 numbers). Its on the offensive side of the ball where he doesn't generate the same kind of production on O-glass as Pau because Dirk is either (1) Shooting or (2) Playing more on the perimeter and less back to the basket.

[ZB9]

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He doesn't really create for others either.

That statement basically rendered your entire post not credible

The attention Dirk draws absolutely opens up the court for others and creates opportunities for teammates

example from the other night
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