CBA/Lockout Discussion Thread

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I already said the european leagues dont have that much money

This is just a failed ploy in the making

[Dice]

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If you let the NBA owners tell the story, they don't have that much money either. So what's the difference?

[bigeastbumrush]

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NEW YORK -- The NBA laid off about 114 people over the last two days, planned cost-cutting moves that a league spokesman said Thursday are "not a direct result of the lockout."

The laid off employees represent about 11 percent of the league office workforce in New York, New Jersey and internationally.

Spokesman Mike Bass told The Associated Press the layoffs are "not a direct result of the lockout but rather a response to the same underlying issue; that is, the league's expenses far outpace our revenues."

"The roughly 11 percent reduction in headcount from the league office is part of larger cost-cutting measures to reduce our costs by $50 million across all areas of our business," Bass said.

Enough "bloodshed" for you Matrix?

[Kashanova]

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Im sorry man but the players are not bigger than the game

If they think this is going to get the owners to break more power to em

Owners aren't bigger than the game either...

[TheMatrix31]

Unfortunately, you can't make an omelette without breaking quite a few eggs.

[da ThRONe]

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If you let the NBA owners tell the story, they don't have that much money either. So what's the difference?

There's a difference between "losing" and "not having".

Couple of other points. I'm sure of some of these leagues had more NBA star their revenues would increase just from the hype alone. While I agree I don't think this is still a viable option for enough players, but I'm sure those players that go would earn more money for those league owners than they would cost those league owners.

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Owners aren't bigger than the game either...

What is that supposed to mean?

[da ThRONe]

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What is that supposed to mean?

I would imagine it means owners have a hand in the league issues as well.

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Well and good but thats not what i was talking about at all..so again, saying that about the owners is irrelevant

I dont see them threatening to move their franchises to Europe if the players dont co-operate with them...thats what im talking about

[da ThRONe]

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Well and good but thats not what i was talking about at all..so again, saying that about the owners is irrelevant

I dont see them threatening to move their franchises to Europe if the players dont co-operate with them...thats what im talking about

Isn't this a lockout? Isn't that essentially the same thing?

If we would still pay to see replacement players you think the owners wouldn't use that tactic?

[Dice]

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What is that supposed to mean?

That means that the mentality of the NBA being a business has resonated in the minds and attitudes of owners and player alike since it started. This is not some phenomena that just started with the current generation. The near players strike in the 1962 All-star game is when players decided that they want a right to be compensated according to their terms. And the guys who organized the near strike? Bill Russell, Oscar Robertson, Jerry West. All-time greats. So if they had the strike, does that mean they didn’t love the game? Or does that mean that they were trying to be bigger than the game if they had to cancel because player refused to play? In my opinion, No. If that would have happened, the backlash of the public against those players would have been serious. We look at it now and hold it to a high regard because it never happened. BUT trust me, people would have been calling guys like Bill Russell and Jerry West selfish if they refused.

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No its not the same thing

I guess you could compare a strike to it, but threatening to go to another league altogether.... good luck with that

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That means that the mentality of the NBA being a business has resonated in the minds and attitudes of owners and player alike since it started. This is not some phenomena that just started with the current generation. The near players strike in the 1962 All-star game is when players decided that they want a right to be compensated according to their terms. And the guys who organized the near strike? Bill Russell, Oscar Robertson, Jerry West. All-time greats. So if they had the strike, does that mean they didn’t love the game? Or does that mean that they were trying to be bigger than the game if they had to cancel because player refused to play? In my opinion, No. If that would have happened, the backlash of the public against those players would have been serious. We look at it now and hold it to a high regard because it never happened. BUT trust me, people would have been calling guys like Bill Russell and Jerry West selfish if they refused.

Give me a break man you know this generation is way more selfish than some old guys who got paid peanuts to play basketball

Its not even a contest. Nobody is questioning anybodies love for the game, but I am definitely seeing what the love of money does

[Drewski]

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No its not the same thing

I guess you could compare a strike to it, but threatening to go to another league altogether.... good luck with that

At the end of the day, any other league cant offer what the NBA is, so while the owners may want to keep the guys their invested in healthy, in the long term it doesn't matter at all to them if guys play overseas. The owners want to get the CBA right in their eyes, and I'm sure they're willing to wait it out until they get something more in the neighborhood they're eyeballing.

Players can feel free to go to Europe, but the owners have all the cards at the end of the day. Deron Williams having an opt out clause, while going to Europe, is just more proof of that.

[da ThRONe]

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No its not the same thing

I guess you could compare a strike to it, but threatening to go to another league altogether.... good luck with that

So if your employer refused to let you back to your job until they got you to sign off on a pay cut. You shouldn't look for other employment?

Once again I'm not of the mindset that this will work, but clearly the owners have the right to take a stand and so do the players. It's easy for us to say "Hey what the owners want is best for the sport", but it's not that easy for the guys who would have to take a huge pay cut.