Official POST-LOCKOUT Player Movement Thread (Trades, FAs, etc)

[RedSceptile]

Re: Official POST-LOCKOUT Player Movement Thread (Trades, FAs, etc)

Paul had enough talent around him to make the playoffs 3 times with the Hornets. And he's bitching about where he wants to play? Again...finish your contract.

I'm pretty sure winning an NBA Championship is something every player wants to achieve. Making the playoffs over and over is cool, 15 other teams do it. But are you competing for a championship or just making it into the 2nd round? You damn well know that competing for a championship and for a playoffs spot are two different things. The Hornets compete for a playoff spot. The likes of the Lakers or Mavericks compete for a championship.

[JaySmooov]

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Man, whats up with my Sixers forget all this other BS. Wtf are we gonna do?


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BobCooney76 Bob Cooney
Sixers announce they have officially re-signed Tony Battie, as Collins had told us Friday.

[Playmakers]

Re: Official POST-LOCKOUT Player Movement Thread (Trades, FAs, etc)

There's a way of leaving your team friend, you either do it clean like Boozer or Stat did (they didn't generate any buzz, didn't pressure the owners) they simply finished their contract year and chose another destination. The Decision, The Melo-Drama, now this Paul & Howard nonsense... His point was that Paul already planned this a long time ago

I live in Phoenix and Amare handled his situation like a professional....I didn't hear him making threats or anything

I didn't hear him complaining about the Suns letting go of Marion, Joe Johnson or Q.Richardson.

He said he wasn't happy about it but he would play ball and give his best....didn't hear a word out Amare the rest of that year.

He became a free-agent and walked

Hell what about Steve nash....doesn't he have all the right in the world to be just as mad as Paul or Howard?

Maybe it's just me but i'm confused as to why some players feel they should dictate where they go even under contract with their existing team.

[Jukeman]

I wish AI was this smart to part ways with the Sixers when he was in his prime.




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[Jukeman]

Here ya go.
BobCooney76 Bob Cooney
Sixers announce they have officially re-signed Tony Battie, as Collins had told us Friday.

See what I have to deal with?


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[wwharton]

Re: Official POST-LOCKOUT Player Movement Thread (Trades, FAs, etc)

You're joking right?

If I ever saw Amar'e Stoudemire toasting Kobe Bryant saying he can't wait to play alongside him a year from now...I'd flip the hell out.

The face of your franchise comes out and says he wants to play elsewhere when he has 2 years left on his contract? Nah...that's an issue.

You really think that didn't rub Stern and the owners the wrong way? Did you read Gilbert's email?

You wouldn't see Amare toasting Kobe bc you wouldn't be invited. You might catch wind of it through some media outlet that will take it and blow it up to be a big deal. If you'd seriously flip the hell out bc you heard through some practically nonsports related media outlet that someone made a toast at a wedding/baptism/strip club/whatever that in that moment they were going to decide their future, then that's on you my friend. I'd give private one on one conversations between players at an all star game more weight than that crap.

I have no idea what Gilbert's email has to do with a toast at a wedding either, lol. What I do know is that Paul would be a Laker if it weren't for the league. I also know that he publicly stated he'd be ok with going to the Clippers and would also be a Clipper right now if Stern wasn't asking for the kitchen sink. Now I don't remember his exact toast to Melo but I'm pretty sure it wasn't "I'll be playing with you on the Knicks unless they don't have enough money to sign me, and then I'll be on the Lakers or Clippers."

Anything like this comes out in an official interview somewhere, then I see your point. A toast at a freaking wedding? Sorry, nah.

It's not about that though.

You and I both know that in this TMZ Era we live in, you have to be really careful with some of the things you say and that is one of them because all that is going to happen is once the Press/Media gets a hold of stuff like that, it's going to open the door up to unnecessary distractions like this.

Same with Melo last year. Nuggets offered him an extension in the summer and everybody thought he would sign it at the time because most people thought there was no reason to leave. And then once he put his Denver House on the market, people started to think that something was wrong because why would he put his house up if he was happy in Denver? By the time Training Camp opened last year, you started hearing rumors of Melo saying he wants to be traded to the Knicks, even though he "denied" them at the time and said they weren't true and that he was happy to be in Denver and there were no problems. A few months later...well, we know what happened after that.

Yep, I know that but as a responsible fan I'm not going to buy into it and will continue to shake my head at anyone who does. It's the responsibility of these athletes to be careful what they say and do bc of how easy it is for information to get out there these days. But if I'm at my boy's wedding and decide to give him a toast and someone turns the content of that into a national story, I'd be shaking my head at anyone repeating it.

And of course some of the stories have legs, that's why people keep throwing crap at the wall so they can pound their chest when they find something that sticks. But seriously, running with something from a toast at a wedding is the biggest stretch out of any of these situations.

Deron Williams also said that he'd more than likely be back after this year.

Chris Paul apparently knew he wasn't going to be in NO the second he raised that wine glass up in the air, otherwise what's the point of saying something like that? To joke around with the Media? Because we all know they're not a fan of funny jokes unless they're the ones telling the jokes now LOL.

This is where I disagree. It wasn't an interview. "That's my boy, it'd be awesome if we could play together." It's a toast... whatever. I'd hope the toast was more for Melo and his new wife than whatever media hawks were there looking for a diamond in the rough story.

[JaySmooov]

Re: Official POST-LOCKOUT Player Movement Thread (Trades, FAs, etc)

First and foremost, I'm not in a court room and not under oath so I don't have to answer your question.

Secondly, since you asked so nicely about me answering here is my answer: Who cares how one feels. It's how you react. If you think about the problem more critically than emotionally then you'd probably get better results. I remember Hakeem Olajuwon back in the early 90's demanding Rockets ownership to trade him. What did they do? They didn't do it. They got down to the bottom of why Olajuwon felt uncomfortable and decided to keep him and improve the team. Four years later, they win a championship. I'm pretty sure the Rockets ownership at the time felt disrespected BUT they had a franchise center and instead of reacting off of 'feelings' they rectified the issue.

As a fan, I'd be more concerned if my owner is making emotional decisions rather than critically thought-out ones, than my star player leaving my team (because we repeatedly get knocked out of the playoffs in the first round).

[Playmakers]

Re: Official POST-LOCKOUT Player Movement Thread (Trades, FAs, etc)

All these pieces of **** in the league make me really happy that I root for guys like Steve Nash and Dirk Nowitzki.

+1

[JaySmooov]

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I live in Phoenix and Amare handled his situation like a professional....I didn't hear him making threats or anything

I didn't hear him complaining about the Suns letting go of Marion, Joe Johnson or Q.Richardson.

He said he wasn't happy about it but he would play ball and give his best....didn't hear a word out Amare the rest of that year.

He became a free-agent and walked

Hell what about Steve nash....doesn't he have all the right in the world to be just as mad as Paul or Howard?

Maybe it's just me but i'm confused as to why some players feel they should dictate where they go even under contract with their existing team.

I'm still confused as to how any player not named Chauncey Billups is dictating where they go. Heck, Billups can't control a team signing or not signing him, so he TECHNICALLY isn't dictating anything.

[Drewski]

All these pieces of **** in the league make me really happy that I root for guys like Steve Nash and Dirk Nowitzki.

Agree. As someone who wants Dwight in LA his waffling and statements make me question what he's a about.

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[bigeastbumrush]

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First and foremost, I'm not in a court room and not under oath so I don't have to answer your question.

Secondly, since you asked so nicely about me answering here is my answer: Who cares how one feels. It's how you react. If you think about the problem more critically than emotionally then you'd probably get better results. I remember Hakeem Olajuwon back in the early 90's demanding Rockets ownership to trade him. What did they do? They didn't do it. They got down to the bottom of why Olajuwon felt uncomfortable and decided to keep him and improve the team. Four years later, they win a championship. I'm pretty sure the Rockets ownership at the time felt disrespected BUT they had a franchise center and instead of reacting off of 'feelings' they rectified the issue.

Feel/react...same thing.

Chris Paul never said anything about winning. He said he wanted to play with his "friends" to go against Miami's Big 3.

Let's just agree to disagree here.

[ProfessaPackMan]

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Yep, I know that but as a responsible fan I'm not going to buy into it and will continue to shake my head at anyone who does. It's the responsibility of these athletes to be careful what they say and do bc of how easy it is for information to get out there these days. But if I'm at my boy's wedding and decide to give him a toast and someone turns the content of that into a national story, I'd be shaking my head at anyone repeating it.

If you're Chris Paul(not wwharton the Mod lol)you have nobody to blame but yourself for GIVING them a reason to take something out of context. Otherwise, what exactly are you trying to say when you say "Hey, I can't wait to run with you and Amar'e next year when we'll form our own Big 3". Why can't you just say "Congratulations Melo and hopefully you and Amar'e have a good season" because if I'm a Hornets' Fan and I hear that, I have no other choice but to think that he's thinking about leaving even though he hasn't said such. He has nobody to blame but himself for that.

This is where I disagree. It wasn't an interview. "That's my boy, it'd be awesome if we could play together." It's a toast... whatever. I'd hope the toast was more for Melo and his new wife than whatever media hawks were there looking for a diamond in the rough story.

Well, we already know it wasn't that because guess what he was trying to do a year later? The very thing he claimed a year earlier he would never do.

This is why I respect Deron, because he's kept it real since he arrived in Jersey and has been consistent in everything he has said regarding the Nets since Day 1, even though people continue to look for the slightest clue that he's leaving and not coming back.

[bigeastbumrush]

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I'm pretty sure winning an NBA Championship is something every player wants to achieve. Making the playoffs over and over is cool, 15 other teams do it. But are you competing for a championship or just making it into the 2nd round? You damn well know that competing for a championship and for a playoffs spot are two different things. The Hornets compete for a playoff spot. The likes of the Lakers or Mavericks compete for a championship.

Who cares. When his contract is up...he can walk. He has a Player Option to extend a year or walk but he wants a year's advance on that to go where he wants to go.

Screw him.

Right, now he's "bitching." Do you have something against professional athletes?

I don't. It's just that fact that this long drawn out arguments and debates are no different than the discussions we had during the lockout. And the same things are happening.

This is a circus right now.

Chris Paul has never said...you know...me being an All-Star and face of the Hornets I'm gonna do everything in my power to help my teammates get better and advance in the playoffs.

He said...I wanna play with my boys...ignore my contract and make it happen.

I have a problem with that.

[JaySmooov]

Re: Official POST-LOCKOUT Player Movement Thread (Trades, FAs, etc)

sam_amick Sam Amick
Source says former UCLA guard and 43rd pick in the draft, Malcolm Lee, has signed a 3-yr guaranteed deal with Minnesota.

[JaySmooov]

Re: Official POST-LOCKOUT Player Movement Thread (Trades, FAs, etc)

Who cares. When his contract is up...he can walk. He has a Player Option to extend a year or walk but he wants a year's advance on that to go where he wants to go.

Screw him.



I don't. It's just that fact that this long drawn out arguments and debates are no different than the discussions we had during the lockout. And the same things are happening.

This is a circus right now.

Chris Paul has never said...you know...me being an All-Star and face of the Hornets I'm gonna do everything in my power to help my teammates get better and advance in the playoffs.

He said...I wanna play with my boys...ignore my contract and make it happen.

I have a problem with that.

What I don't get is, why? Why do you have such a huge problem with what a man wants to do, and what a man has the right to do?

Just as much as Paul can say, "I wanna play with my boys", New Orleans can say, "No you'll play for them when youre contract is up." He's not forcing New Orleans to trade him.


dic·tate/ˈdiktāt/
Verb:
Lay down authoritatively; prescribe: "attempts to dictate policy"; "the right to dictate to me".
Noun:
An order or principle that must be obeyed.

Last time I checked, Paul didn't make an "authoritative" demand. He simply made a request for him to be traded.

I mean, come on: if Chris Paul was as much of a a-hole as you're making him out to be, then why didn't he leave after his rookie contract 3 years ago? When he was in his prime, and when he could have probably gotten a LOT more money than he's about to.

The dude has been there 6 years, going on 7. I think he has the right to say, "I want to play with Melo and STAT, and form possibly the best team in the East, because I actually plan on winning a championship in my life instead of sitting here getting knocked out in the first round by the Lakers and Mavs every damn year."

But he didn't even say all that. He just wants to be traded. It's his right as a player.