Official POST-LOCKOUT Player Movement Thread (Trades, FAs, etc)

[ex carrabba fan]

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Caron's best days are behind him, and there's no way he should sign with a rebuilding team and waste the remainder of his career not trying to get a title.

That's not to say he can't still be productive, and help a team out. Hopefully he chooses a playoff team and not someone like the Pistons.

[l3ulvl]

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If the Pacers are serious about offering Gasol, what would they do with Hibbert? Would Stuckey + 1st be enough?

[JohnDoe8865]

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Someone's gonna waste money on a gimpy Caron, a gimpy Josh Howard and a gimpy Michael Redd.

I'd stay as far away from those guys.

I'm really interested to see what kind of market there will be for Howard & Redd. Howard is only 29, but Redd is over 30. I'd take a one year flier on either guy, at around $3-4 million or so, nothing more.

[Drewski]

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Caron's best days are behind him, and there's no way he should sign with a rebuilding team and waste the remainder of his career not trying to get a title.

That's not to say he can't still be productive, and help a team out. Hopefully he chooses a playoff team and not someone like the Pistons.

Yeah. Caron Butler definitely isn't a block to build around, but he can still help plenty of teams. Really just depends on how his rehabilitation process has been, I imagine he understands what his role(s) will look like going forward.

Makes me wonder how bad (if at all) the lockout hampered guys trying to nurse injuries considering guys were pulled away from the team trainers and such.

[ex carrabba fan]

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It's not a knock on any of those teams either, it's just more why would you want to spend money on Caron and take up a roster spot on a rebuilding team?

Sort of like the AI to Memphis situation. It just didn't make any sense.

Better to have your young guys get that playing time to develop.

As far as Indy trying to get Marc Gasol, I honestly don't think Memphis is going to let Marc go for any price. But if he did, isn't Stuckey a RFA himself? That might get kind of confusing. Indy does have Collison already as well, but who knows.

Is Indy in the market for Gasol? Hibbert is pretty solid.

[ScoobySnax]

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Hibbert is okay, but he's not a force on the glass as he should be at 7'2". I think Marc Gasol would be a great fit in Indy. Collison, Rush, Granger Hansbrough and Gasol is a pretty good looking lineup.

[l3ulvl]

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I don't think the Pistons really have any assets to get Hibbert without giving up the 1st, and with this draft it's a tough call, especially considering it would likely be a top 10 pick. But I love the idea of the Georgetown boys controlling the paint for a decade.

I've also heard the Prince for Kaman idea brought up again, that's a move I'd LOVE, even with Kaman in his final year, he's a guy that might actually consider resigning with Detroit. Plus if he had another injury plagued season or was just not good, he moves on and we didn't really lose much.

[ex carrabba fan]

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Hibbert is okay, but he's not a force on the glass as he should be at 7'2". I think Marc Gasol would be a great fit in Indy. Collison, Rush, Granger Hansbrough and Gasol is a pretty good looking lineup.

Marc would be a great fit on any team.

I just think Memphis is going to match any offer outside of a max contract.

Hibbert is solid, but yeah he hasn't shown consistency on the boards yet. He has had explosions though, I think he'll settle into the rebounder he should be [at least 9 a game]. Point being, 7'2 guys with his skill set is pretty rare. I wouldn't be too upset if Marc didn't come and I was stuck with Hibbert.

[a_maz_ing]

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So does anyone agree with me that all these great players should start teaming up in pairs instead of triplets if they are going to team up via Free agency?
That extra $15-18 million used on another player could be spread out to 2-4 other quality players instead of signing people like Mike Bibby for the min.

[ex carrabba fan]

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So does anyone agree with me that all these great players should start teaming up in pairs instead of triplets if they are going to team up via Free agency?
That extra $15-18 million used on another player could be spread out to 2-4 other quality players instead of signing people like Mike Bibby for the min.

I think it all depends on each specific situation.

Miami didn't do too shabby last year, and they're only going to improve that roster.

But yeah, I don't think it's necesarily better either way, just depends.

[ProfessaPackMan]

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From the Agent's perspective, it's makes perfect sense to put that number out there for Tyson. Especially since Centers are at a premium now and with Gasol going back to Memphis being a formality.

Now we all know good and well he's not going to get $20 Mil so it's no point in speculating on that, but it makes sense for him to throw that number out.

Also hearing the Nets feel pretty confident("strongly" in their words)that they'll land Nene and if they do, it would probably be around 4 years $60-70 Mil(Yes people bad contracts aren't going anywhere and never will. They're like smart people and dumb people in that you're always going to have one or the other in life LOL)Also hear they really like AK47 as well but do NOT like David West(Injuries and Age)

I don't see why they should wait untill after there prime to team up and wonder "what if we had been on team this good earlier?".

The point is Athletes don't "deserve" anything.

[ProfessaPackMan]

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Ex, what's your take on Nene?

[a_maz_ing]

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I think it all depends on each specific situation.

Miami didn't do too shabby last year, and they're only going to improve that roster.

But yeah, I don't think it's necesarily better either way, just depends.

Good point. I'd also prefer if all of the top 40 players teamed up in pairs instead of the top 15 teaming up in triplets. It would be better for the League imo if we are going to have all these major moves.

From the Agent's perspective, it's makes perfect sense to put that number out there for Tyson. Especially since Centers are at a premium now and with Gasol going back to Memphis being a formality.



The point is Athletes don't "deserve" anything.

And i agree, just saying why they are choosing to leave after like 6 to 8 years.

Even if the Nets get Nene instead of Howard, won't it be in their interest to trade Lopez eventually? Last time I checked neither is a great rebounder and I think they both have limited scoring range (not sure about Lopez, I know he has a high ppg but I have never seen him play) so I can't see them being a great fit.

[ProfessaPackMan]

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The bolded part, that's just a guess on my part but based on what I know, I just connect the dots and everything leads back to Memphis.

The thing with Lopez is people forget his first 2 years in the league, he averaged 8 RPG(which I personally think is his ceiling) so it's not like he's not good rebounder because he's proven he can and offensively, he's one of the best at his position(although he can improve his post game in that regard).

This article explains a lot better than I could about how they would mesh together because that was a question I had and still kinda have:

http://www.hardwoodparoxysm.com/2011/12/a-leap-of-free-agency-faith-the-nets-and-nene/

My thing with that is how would they go about resigning Lopez because I'm almost certain that he'll get a max deal or around that in his next contract and how we would afford both of them. But as we've seen in this game, you can never have enough bigs.

[ex carrabba fan]

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[AlexBrady] Nene is one of the top centers in the league no doubt. He has a decent soft touch inside, some nice post moves-- drop steps, hooks with both hands-- doesn't mind finishing with authority, runs the floor as well as almost any other center in the league, and has a particularly exceptional motor for someone that size. His athleticism is equally as exceptional.

I do question his heart at times, his rebounding and his defense. I wish he would be a bit rougher inside and take more fouls on his opponents. I think one could make the argument that he disappears in the playoffs. He certainly doesn't raise his level of play when the lights come on. [/AlexBrady]

That's my take on him in general. Now as far as fitting into Brooklyn? As you said, Brooke is going to command a great deal of money himself, so are they planning on convincing Deron to stay with his two best teammates being Brooke and Nene?

I don't know how that trio would fare against other contenders, but I honestly can't say I'd be hyped about that trio. But like you said, you can never have enough bigs, would you be able to fill out the rest of the roster with players that fit?

Paying Nene an excess of 16 mill a year isn't a pretty sight, but I do understand that bigs do not grow on trees and Nene is a top 10 center. Personally I wouldn't take him for that money, but at the same time, I won't be mad at the team that pulls the trigger. Tough call on players like that.

To Nene's credit, he was very professional even though Denver never offered him money til late.