2014 Draft Discussion

[redsrule]

Re: 2014 Draft Class

Good lord Vonleh! He's going early, he's already better offensively than any other big man in this class.

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No he isn't lol.

And lastly, James Young measured at 6'7.75" in shoes with a 7'0" wingspan. He's going to sky rocket between that and what I expect will be a great vert.

He's a fantastic athlete. Shame he can't play any defense or he'd be a top 6-7 pick. I'd rather have him at SF then Aaron Gordon though.

[ojandpizza]

Re: 2014 Draft Class

No he isn't lol.

Vonleh, despite not being as good of a pro prospect or as NBA ready as Randle, is better than him offensively..


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[redsrule]

Re: 2014 Draft Class

Vonleh, despite not being as good of a pro prospect or as NBA ready as Randle, is better than him offensively..


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Did I specifically say anyone? He's not the best offensive player in this class as a big man. Don't think he is better than Randle either. Has more potential than Randle does though imo.


Also I saw this on twitter. Andrew Wiggins has a pretty good vertical...

[ojandpizza]

Re: 2014 Draft Class

Who's a better offensive big man then?


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[Yeah...THAT Guy]

Re: 2014 Draft Class

Did I specifically say anyone? He's not the best offensive player in this class as a big man. Don't think he is better than Randle either. Has more potential than Randle does though imo.


Also I saw this on twitter. Andrew Wiggins has a pretty good vertical...

Wiggins compared to Jeremy Evans' 43.5" vert.

[ojandpizza]

Re: 2014 Draft Class

Is that standing or no?


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[Yeah...THAT Guy]

Re: 2014 Draft Class

Is that standing or no?


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No way lol

[redsrule]

Re: 2014 Draft Class

Who's a better offensive big man then?


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Doug McDermott for starters. Jabari Parker (if you consider him a 4), Joel Embiid, TJ Warren (tweener so I'll include him here), Adreian Payne, Isaiah Austin, I think Randle is as well. Probably Dario Saric too, I just haven't seen a lot of him to say that either way. Those are just guys who will probably be picked in the first round.
Vonleh isn't that skilled offensively. He's a good rebounder and will probably be able to hit 3s consistently in the future, but right now there are a bunch of guys better than him on offense. He's got as much "potential" as any big though imo, including Embiid. Not to mention he's one of the younger guys in this class- won't turn 19 until August. I've seen mocks that have Aaron Gordon going before both him and Randle. I just don't understand that.

[KingTocco]

Re: 2014 Draft Class

No way lol

Yes that's standing that's how they measure vertical...

[Yeah...THAT Guy]

Re: 2014 Draft Class

Yes that's standing that's how they measure vertical...

I promise you Jeremy Evans 43.5" vert was his max, not standing. The highest standing vert ever recorded at the combine is 40".

[KingTocco]

Re: 2014 Draft Class

I promise you Jeremy Evans 43.5" vert was his max, not standing. The highest standing vert ever recorded at the combine is 40".

You're actually completely incorrect, the highest recorded vertical ever at the combine was 45.5 inches.

Nick Johnson from Arizona recorded a 47 inch vertical when tested last season at Zona.

[KingTocco]

Re: 2014 Draft Class

It could be a running vertical as the picture is not clear but generally vertical measurements are measured standing.

[Yeah...THAT Guy]

Re: 2014 Draft Class

You're actually completely incorrect, the highest recorded vertical ever at the combine was 45.5 inches.

Nick Johnson from Arizona recorded a 47 inch vertical when tested last season at Zona.

That's the max vert, where they get a running start, and the record is 46 inches now. DJ Stephens broke the record last year.

The highest standing vert recorded was 40 inches, also by DJ Stephens.

[KingTocco]

Re: 2014 Draft Class

Okay well I could be wrong, if so I apologize for stating otherwise.

Regardless if it's standing or running, he jumped insanely high. Vertical actually means something in basketball so that could definitely influence his draft stock. With the back problems surrounding Embiid, I still think Wiggins goes #1.

[ojandpizza]

Re: 2014 Draft Class

Doug McDermott for starters. Jabari Parker (if you consider him a 4), Joel Embiid, TJ Warren (tweener so I'll include him here), Adreian Payne, Isaiah Austin, I think Randle is as well. Probably Dario Saric too, I just haven't seen a lot of him to say that either way. Those are just guys who will probably be picked in the first round.

Vonleh isn't that skilled offensively. He's a good rebounder and will probably be able to hit 3s consistently in the future, but right now there are a bunch of guys better than him on offense. He's got as much "potential" as any big though imo, including Embiid. Not to mention he's one of the younger guys in this class- won't turn 19 until August. I've seen mocks that have Aaron Gordon going before both him and Randle. I just don't understand that.

I considered Doug, TJ, Jabari, all small forwards in the draft.

Payne I'll agree, though his upside is low and he could likely miss the lottery. Austin is a jump shooter. Embiid could be a monster on the block, but he can't face and go or hit jumpers.

Vonleh isn't a dominate scorer but he's already well rounded. Can can post, face and drive, hit jumpers, solid footwork and fakes. Which is why as a post player I considered him among the best offensively. Not saying he'll hit the league and immediately score a ton of points, but already has a great foundation to build from.


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