For those who are white-americans...

**jmood88** · 06-13-2004, 08:41 AM

Re: For those who are white-americans...

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It doesnt really matter to me but it DOES matter to corporate america a good amount

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Because its alot easier to sell a cornfed white boy like Keith Van Horn then a tattooed thug like Kenyon Martin to white america

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Not really, In the 80s Magic was a far more viable asset rather then Larry Bird who was too bland to be truly marketed. Most of the white players i've seen in the NBA are devoid of true personality.

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Magic wasnt a tattoed thug either im talking about present day NBA

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How is kenyon martin a "thug"? DO you even know what a thug is?

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I think the numerous muggings, errr. flagrant fouls and cheap shots he's dished out in recent years qualifies him as a thug.

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He's stopped with the flagrant fouls a while ago and that's all part of being excited during a game.

**Sully** · 06-13-2004, 08:54 AM

Re: For those who are white-americans...

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bkrich83 said:
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jmood88 said:
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SportsmanTO said:
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Taur3asi3 said:
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SoMiss2000 said:
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Taur3asi3 said:
It doesnt really matter to me but it DOES matter to corporate america a good amount

<hr /></blockquote>why?

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Because its alot easier to sell a cornfed white boy like Keith Van Horn then a tattooed thug like Kenyon Martin to white america

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Not really, In the 80s Magic was a far more viable asset rather then Larry Bird who was too bland to be truly marketed. Most of the white players i've seen in the NBA are devoid of true personality.

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Magic wasnt a tattoed thug either im talking about present day NBA

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How is kenyon martin a "thug"? DO you even know what a thug is?

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I think the numerous muggings, errr. flagrant fouls and cheap shots he's dished out in recent years qualifies him as a thug.

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He's stopped with the flagrant fouls a while ago and that's all part of being excited during a game.

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You're kidding, right?
Flagrant fouls stem from a player being excited?
Please.

**Sully** · 06-13-2004, 08:54 AM

Re: For those who are white-americans...

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jmood88 said:
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bkrich83 said:
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jmood88 said:
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Taur3asi3 said:
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SportsmanTO said:
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Taur3asi3 said:
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SoMiss2000 said:
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Taur3asi3 said:
It doesnt really matter to me but it DOES matter to corporate america a good amount

<hr /></blockquote>why?

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Because its alot easier to sell a cornfed white boy like Keith Van Horn then a tattooed thug like Kenyon Martin to white america

<hr /></blockquote>

Not really, In the 80s Magic was a far more viable asset rather then Larry Bird who was too bland to be truly marketed. Most of the white players i've seen in the NBA are devoid of true personality.

<hr /></blockquote>

Magic wasnt a tattoed thug either im talking about present day NBA

<hr /></blockquote>

How is kenyon martin a "thug"? DO you even know what a thug is?

<hr /></blockquote>

I think the numerous muggings, errr. flagrant fouls and cheap shots he's dished out in recent years qualifies him as a thug.

<hr /></blockquote>

He's stopped with the flagrant fouls a while ago and that's all part of being excited during a game.

<hr /></blockquote>

You're kidding, right?
Flagrant fouls stem from a player being excited?
Please.

**Sully** · 06-13-2004, 08:54 AM

Re: For those who are white-americans...

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jmood88 said:
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bkrich83 said:
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jmood88 said:
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Taur3asi3 said:
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SportsmanTO said:
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Taur3asi3 said:
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SoMiss2000 said:
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Taur3asi3 said:
It doesnt really matter to me but it DOES matter to corporate america a good amount

<hr /></blockquote>why?

<hr /></blockquote>

Because its alot easier to sell a cornfed white boy like Keith Van Horn then a tattooed thug like Kenyon Martin to white america

<hr /></blockquote>

Not really, In the 80s Magic was a far more viable asset rather then Larry Bird who was too bland to be truly marketed. Most of the white players i've seen in the NBA are devoid of true personality.

<hr /></blockquote>

Magic wasnt a tattoed thug either im talking about present day NBA

<hr /></blockquote>

How is kenyon martin a "thug"? DO you even know what a thug is?

<hr /></blockquote>

I think the numerous muggings, errr. flagrant fouls and cheap shots he's dished out in recent years qualifies him as a thug.

<hr /></blockquote>

He's stopped with the flagrant fouls a while ago and that's all part of being excited during a game.

<hr /></blockquote>

You're kidding, right?
Flagrant fouls stem from a player being excited?
Please.

**jmood88** · 06-13-2004, 08:55 AM

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Ok, and how long was it since he used to have those flagrant fouls? And how does it make him a thug?

**jmood88** · 06-13-2004, 08:55 AM

Re: For those who are white-americans...

Ok, and how long was it since he used to have those flagrant fouls? And how does it make him a thug?

**jmood88** · 06-13-2004, 08:55 AM

Re: For those who are white-americans...

Ok, and how long was it since he used to have those flagrant fouls? And how does it make him a thug?

**2012** · 06-13-2004, 09:00 AM

Re: For those who are white-americans...

It may be a suprise to you, but most people listen to music that they identify with culturally. How much rap/r&b do your hear at Nascar events? How much country do you hear at NBA games? In many schools, you have the kids returning to separate proms (black/white), in effect de facto segregation.

In general, you can still say that Black people will root for the Williams sisters, white people still cheer louder for the white heavyweight contender, and hispanics look up to their ballplayers/athletes.

You may like D. McNabb/Vick but there are just as many who don't. We all had the opportunity to hear them come out hiding when Rush Limbaugh made his comments. QBs drive the NFL. Peyton Manning, Brett Favre, Tom Brady, McNabb, Vick, McNair. But the day you see black qbs starting on 20-30 teams is the day that tvs are being turned to something else in many homes.

What I presented was a hypothetical scenario, that I don't believe the NFL will allow happen.

Look, do you ever wonder why fringe sports (America) are starting to gain tremendous popularity (soccer, lacrosse, college baseball, NASCAR). Look at the participants, then look at the crowd, what do you see that's similar? Listen to the music that's being played, smell the food that's being cooked on grills. Obviously a group of people have identified with the players and have made the game a cultural event.

YOu want to see it in reverse, go to one of these street ballers/mix tape events. Look at the particpants and look at the crowds, listen to the music.

Basically, my response was when someone called Kenyon Martin a thug. No arrest record and he is a COLLEGE GRADUATE! What kind of thug never gets arrested and graduates from college?

**2012** · 06-13-2004, 09:00 AM

Re: For those who are white-americans...

It may be a suprise to you, but most people listen to music that they identify with culturally. How much rap/r&b do your hear at Nascar events? How much country do you hear at NBA games? In many schools, you have the kids returning to separate proms (black/white), in effect de facto segregation.

In general, you can still say that Black people will root for the Williams sisters, white people still cheer louder for the white heavyweight contender, and hispanics look up to their ballplayers/athletes.

You may like D. McNabb/Vick but there are just as many who don't. We all had the opportunity to hear them come out hiding when Rush Limbaugh made his comments. QBs drive the NFL. Peyton Manning, Brett Favre, Tom Brady, McNabb, Vick, McNair. But the day you see black qbs starting on 20-30 teams is the day that tvs are being turned to something else in many homes.

What I presented was a hypothetical scenario, that I don't believe the NFL will allow happen.

Look, do you ever wonder why fringe sports (America) are starting to gain tremendous popularity (soccer, lacrosse, college baseball, NASCAR). Look at the participants, then look at the crowd, what do you see that's similar? Listen to the music that's being played, smell the food that's being cooked on grills. Obviously a group of people have identified with the players and have made the game a cultural event.

YOu want to see it in reverse, go to one of these street ballers/mix tape events. Look at the particpants and look at the crowds, listen to the music.

Basically, my response was when someone called Kenyon Martin a thug. No arrest record and he is a COLLEGE GRADUATE! What kind of thug never gets arrested and graduates from college?

**2012** · 06-13-2004, 09:00 AM

Re: For those who are white-americans...

It may be a suprise to you, but most people listen to music that they identify with culturally. How much rap/r&b do your hear at Nascar events? How much country do you hear at NBA games? In many schools, you have the kids returning to separate proms (black/white), in effect de facto segregation.

In general, you can still say that Black people will root for the Williams sisters, white people still cheer louder for the white heavyweight contender, and hispanics look up to their ballplayers/athletes.

You may like D. McNabb/Vick but there are just as many who don't. We all had the opportunity to hear them come out hiding when Rush Limbaugh made his comments. QBs drive the NFL. Peyton Manning, Brett Favre, Tom Brady, McNabb, Vick, McNair. But the day you see black qbs starting on 20-30 teams is the day that tvs are being turned to something else in many homes.

What I presented was a hypothetical scenario, that I don't believe the NFL will allow happen.

Look, do you ever wonder why fringe sports (America) are starting to gain tremendous popularity (soccer, lacrosse, college baseball, NASCAR). Look at the participants, then look at the crowd, what do you see that's similar? Listen to the music that's being played, smell the food that's being cooked on grills. Obviously a group of people have identified with the players and have made the game a cultural event.

YOu want to see it in reverse, go to one of these street ballers/mix tape events. Look at the particpants and look at the crowds, listen to the music.

Basically, my response was when someone called Kenyon Martin a thug. No arrest record and he is a COLLEGE GRADUATE! What kind of thug never gets arrested and graduates from college?

**Sully** · 06-13-2004, 09:10 AM

Re: For those who are white-americans...

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2012 said:

But the day you see black qbs starting on 20-30 teams is the day that tvs are being turned to something else in many homes.

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WTF are you talking about?
I'd argue that some of the biggest names in the NFL play a position other than QB and happen to be African American. Ray Lewis, Randy Moss, Terrell Owens, Marshall Faulk and the list can go on. These guys are more marketable than a Favre or Manning in my honest opinion. Yet I still don't see the ratings dropping year after year in the NFL. Go figure.

**Sully** · 06-13-2004, 09:10 AM

Re: For those who are white-americans...

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2012 said:

But the day you see black qbs starting on 20-30 teams is the day that tvs are being turned to something else in many homes.

<hr /></blockquote>

WTF are you talking about?
I'd argue that some of the biggest names in the NFL play a position other than QB and happen to be African American. Ray Lewis, Randy Moss, Terrell Owens, Marshall Faulk and the list can go on. These guys are more marketable than a Favre or Manning in my honest opinion. Yet I still don't see the ratings dropping year after year in the NFL. Go figure.

**Sully** · 06-13-2004, 09:10 AM

Re: For those who are white-americans...

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2012 said:

But the day you see black qbs starting on 20-30 teams is the day that tvs are being turned to something else in many homes.

<hr /></blockquote>

WTF are you talking about?
I'd argue that some of the biggest names in the NFL play a position other than QB and happen to be African American. Ray Lewis, Randy Moss, Terrell Owens, Marshall Faulk and the list can go on. These guys are more marketable than a Favre or Manning in my honest opinion. Yet I still don't see the ratings dropping year after year in the NFL. Go figure.

**SoMiss2000** · 06-13-2004, 09:13 AM

Re: For those who are white-americans...

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Taur3asi3 said:
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SportsmanTO said:
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Taur3asi3 said:
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SoMiss2000 said:
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Taur3asi3 said:
It doesnt really matter to me but it DOES matter to corporate america a good amount

<hr /></blockquote>why?

<hr /></blockquote>

Because its alot easier to sell a cornfed white boy like Keith Van Horn then a tattooed thug like Kenyon Martin to white america

<hr /></blockquote>

Not really, In the 80s Magic was a far more viable asset rather then Larry Bird who was too bland to be truly marketed. Most of the white players i've seen in the NBA are devoid of true personality.

<hr /></blockquote>

Magic wasnt a tattoed thug either im talking about present day NBA

<hr /></blockquote>so K-Mart is a thug? Does having tatoos make you a thug?

**SoMiss2000** · 06-13-2004, 09:13 AM

Re: For those who are white-americans...

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Taur3asi3 said:
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SportsmanTO said:
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Taur3asi3 said:
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SoMiss2000 said:
<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
Taur3asi3 said:
It doesnt really matter to me but it DOES matter to corporate america a good amount

<hr /></blockquote>why?

<hr /></blockquote>

Because its alot easier to sell a cornfed white boy like Keith Van Horn then a tattooed thug like Kenyon Martin to white america

<hr /></blockquote>

Not really, In the 80s Magic was a far more viable asset rather then Larry Bird who was too bland to be truly marketed. Most of the white players i've seen in the NBA are devoid of true personality.

<hr /></blockquote>

Magic wasnt a tattoed thug either im talking about present day NBA

<hr /></blockquote>so K-Mart is a thug? Does having tatoos make you a thug?

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