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  • hotadef
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    • May 2004
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    #181
    Re: For those who are white-americans...

    my 2 cents on this thread. Basketball lost it luster when coaches wanted to slow there game down. The athletes are superior in speed and jumping reactiions time and all that. But there conditioning is what is lacking. kobe and hamilton are the exception to the rule. Centers used to run the floor like guards. The game has slowed down because you cant push these cocky [censored] player as pros and you cant push them much as college player and you may only have them one year anyways.

    They dont want to work out in the off season. Money and the coach not having no control. Stop firing coaches for the players. start having thing wriiten in the contract if said players is to get this max contract then said player has to do this or risk paycut or they are out of there.

    The reason why the scoring is down and the people cant average 20 rebounds a game or have 10 people in the league average close to 30 points. is because they never let the clock get near the 24 second violation they ran the court it was like the play ground down there. They say they played good d i watch sports center and watch old game and i didnt see any d other than blocks and steals. no one truely put the clamps on anyone. just good rebounding or was it good rebound they hoisted up a lot of shot back then.

    Now on the nfl and black qb. I dont know if white america would turn off there tv and watch nascar instead if there were more black qb's. But i do feel that is the hardest position to play and i do feel that the black qb doesnt get a full chance when they come in. They always want to convert them to rb and wr. or they do a quincy carter on them. Get to the playoff and they still are looking to replace you. Things like this the limbaugh comments and comments even spoken on sportcenter. the historians sayed there was a belief that the black athlete were not smart enough to be qb couldnt think fast enough to make the spit second decision. this i seen on sportcenter a couple of months ago. So maybe those people who believe that will stop watching if there are more black starting qb.
    one more thing have you notice what teams have black qb. they are either heavily populated by blacks. atlanta, phily or the coach was black at the time they were drafted. There are exceptions to this i would have to look it up.

    As for the white athlete in basketball. they do need a superstar as does every race in every sports kids should have some one to look up to that went through there same experience. rather it coming from the hood or the burbs it always nice to see some one who looks like you acheive. They dont have to be a white superstar but it would be nice to have some. If they have them there will more kids likely trying to be like him that look like him. dr j and jordan magic chamberlain etc. They all lit a fire under little black boys to want to be like them get there. inspiration is what they give you and everybody race should be represented so little white boys go out and learn the craft you may have to leave the burbs to perfect your crossover and driving skills then go home and shoot jumpers in you driveway. nene and yao mean alot to there people as does duncan and parker.

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    • bkrich83
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      #182
      Re: For those who are white-americans...

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      So maybe those people who believe that will stop watching if there are more black starting qb.
      one more thing have you notice what teams have black qb. they are either heavily populated by blacks. atlanta, phily or the coach was black at the time they were drafted. There are exceptions to this i would have to look it up.


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      I thought about this too. But the thing is the McNair's, Vicks', Culpepper's and McNabb's of the world are well marketed and well appreciated across the country. Not just in their home area's. In McNabb's case I would venture to say he's more respected in other parts of the country than he is in Philly. And there are lots of people nationwide who really like and are pulling for Byron Leftwich to play.

      Like I said, initially I was thinking the samething as you, but the more I thought about it the more I discounted it. Not to mention as these Black QB's have started to gain a foothold in the league, the ratings nationwide have done nothing but rise at a pretty rapid rate.

      Carter is under scrutiny because he was picked too high for his talent, and he is not a real productive player. Jake Plummer saw the same thing in Arizona. Kitna, led a moribound franchise to the doorstep of the playoffs and he lost his job to a 2nd year player. Look at the criticisms that Kerry Collins, Tommy Maddox or Brad Johnson have come under in recent years. They have all been more productive than Carter and they still get hammered by fans and local media.

      A QB being the scapegoat or targer is criticism is nothing new nor is it a black QB only problem.
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      • bkrich83
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        #183
        Re: For those who are white-americans...

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        So maybe those people who believe that will stop watching if there are more black starting qb.
        one more thing have you notice what teams have black qb. they are either heavily populated by blacks. atlanta, phily or the coach was black at the time they were drafted. There are exceptions to this i would have to look it up.


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        I thought about this too. But the thing is the McNair's, Vicks', Culpepper's and McNabb's of the world are well marketed and well appreciated across the country. Not just in their home area's. In McNabb's case I would venture to say he's more respected in other parts of the country than he is in Philly. And there are lots of people nationwide who really like and are pulling for Byron Leftwich to play.

        Like I said, initially I was thinking the samething as you, but the more I thought about it the more I discounted it. Not to mention as these Black QB's have started to gain a foothold in the league, the ratings nationwide have done nothing but rise at a pretty rapid rate.

        Carter is under scrutiny because he was picked too high for his talent, and he is not a real productive player. Jake Plummer saw the same thing in Arizona. Kitna, led a moribound franchise to the doorstep of the playoffs and he lost his job to a 2nd year player. Look at the criticisms that Kerry Collins, Tommy Maddox or Brad Johnson have come under in recent years. They have all been more productive than Carter and they still get hammered by fans and local media.

        A QB being the scapegoat or targer is criticism is nothing new nor is it a black QB only problem.
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        • bkrich83
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          #184
          Re: For those who are white-americans...

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          So maybe those people who believe that will stop watching if there are more black starting qb.
          one more thing have you notice what teams have black qb. they are either heavily populated by blacks. atlanta, phily or the coach was black at the time they were drafted. There are exceptions to this i would have to look it up.


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          I thought about this too. But the thing is the McNair's, Vicks', Culpepper's and McNabb's of the world are well marketed and well appreciated across the country. Not just in their home area's. In McNabb's case I would venture to say he's more respected in other parts of the country than he is in Philly. And there are lots of people nationwide who really like and are pulling for Byron Leftwich to play.

          Like I said, initially I was thinking the samething as you, but the more I thought about it the more I discounted it. Not to mention as these Black QB's have started to gain a foothold in the league, the ratings nationwide have done nothing but rise at a pretty rapid rate.

          Carter is under scrutiny because he was picked too high for his talent, and he is not a real productive player. Jake Plummer saw the same thing in Arizona. Kitna, led a moribound franchise to the doorstep of the playoffs and he lost his job to a 2nd year player. Look at the criticisms that Kerry Collins, Tommy Maddox or Brad Johnson have come under in recent years. They have all been more productive than Carter and they still get hammered by fans and local media.

          A QB being the scapegoat or targer is criticism is nothing new nor is it a black QB only problem.
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          • 2012
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            • Jun 2003
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            #185
            Re: For those who are white-americans...

            After reading the comments from fellow posters, the consensus is that what Larry Bird said isn't true.


            I wholeheartedly disagree.

            You can't tell me that White Americans would not become more interested if there was a white superstar player like T-MAc or Kobe. You can't tell me that many people didn't take notice at Gonzaga's success in the NCAA tournament and started watching.

            Most of the posters on this board are die hard fans, but the surge in ratings/attendance comes from the casual fans.

            I believe you guys when you say that it has no bearing on whether you watch or identify with a team more. But to the casual or non interested viewer, I think it has a huge bearing on whether they watch/pay attention/follow a team. There's nothing wrong with it, it's natural to have an affinity for those who are like yourself.

            Come on, honestly, didn't Jason Williams, Jason Sehorn, Keith Van Horn in his first year, Wally Sczcerbiak coming out of college, Tommy Morrison in boxing, Butterbean pull serious media coverage/fan interest.

            ALl this stems from the comment from Larry Bird. A white superstar. No Larry Bird and the NBA in the 80's, would be worse than it is now.

            You think Vick is big now, imagine a white Vick. It would be unbelievable. Exactly the sentiments that Bird was saying, a white american superstar in the NBA would be gold.

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            • 2012
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              • Jun 2003
              • 304

              #186
              Re: For those who are white-americans...

              After reading the comments from fellow posters, the consensus is that what Larry Bird said isn't true.


              I wholeheartedly disagree.

              You can't tell me that White Americans would not become more interested if there was a white superstar player like T-MAc or Kobe. You can't tell me that many people didn't take notice at Gonzaga's success in the NCAA tournament and started watching.

              Most of the posters on this board are die hard fans, but the surge in ratings/attendance comes from the casual fans.

              I believe you guys when you say that it has no bearing on whether you watch or identify with a team more. But to the casual or non interested viewer, I think it has a huge bearing on whether they watch/pay attention/follow a team. There's nothing wrong with it, it's natural to have an affinity for those who are like yourself.

              Come on, honestly, didn't Jason Williams, Jason Sehorn, Keith Van Horn in his first year, Wally Sczcerbiak coming out of college, Tommy Morrison in boxing, Butterbean pull serious media coverage/fan interest.

              ALl this stems from the comment from Larry Bird. A white superstar. No Larry Bird and the NBA in the 80's, would be worse than it is now.

              You think Vick is big now, imagine a white Vick. It would be unbelievable. Exactly the sentiments that Bird was saying, a white american superstar in the NBA would be gold.

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              • 2012
                Rookie
                • Jun 2003
                • 304

                #187
                Re: For those who are white-americans...

                After reading the comments from fellow posters, the consensus is that what Larry Bird said isn't true.


                I wholeheartedly disagree.

                You can't tell me that White Americans would not become more interested if there was a white superstar player like T-MAc or Kobe. You can't tell me that many people didn't take notice at Gonzaga's success in the NCAA tournament and started watching.

                Most of the posters on this board are die hard fans, but the surge in ratings/attendance comes from the casual fans.

                I believe you guys when you say that it has no bearing on whether you watch or identify with a team more. But to the casual or non interested viewer, I think it has a huge bearing on whether they watch/pay attention/follow a team. There's nothing wrong with it, it's natural to have an affinity for those who are like yourself.

                Come on, honestly, didn't Jason Williams, Jason Sehorn, Keith Van Horn in his first year, Wally Sczcerbiak coming out of college, Tommy Morrison in boxing, Butterbean pull serious media coverage/fan interest.

                ALl this stems from the comment from Larry Bird. A white superstar. No Larry Bird and the NBA in the 80's, would be worse than it is now.

                You think Vick is big now, imagine a white Vick. It would be unbelievable. Exactly the sentiments that Bird was saying, a white american superstar in the NBA would be gold.

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                • bkrich83
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                  #188
                  Re: For those who are white-americans...

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                  Come on, honestly, didn't Jason Williams, Jason Sehorn, Keith Van Horn in his first year, Wally Sczcerbiak coming out of college, Tommy Morrison in boxing, Butterbean pull serious media coverage/fan interest.



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                  Bear in mind, pre-knee surgery, Sehorn was a legit big time Pro Bowl type talent. Giants ruined his career by letting him try to return kicks and thus blowing out his ACL. He's never been the same since.
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                  • bkrich83
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                    • Jul 2002
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                    #189
                    Re: For those who are white-americans...

                    </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr />
                    Come on, honestly, didn't Jason Williams, Jason Sehorn, Keith Van Horn in his first year, Wally Sczcerbiak coming out of college, Tommy Morrison in boxing, Butterbean pull serious media coverage/fan interest.



                    <hr /></blockquote><font class="post">

                    Bear in mind, pre-knee surgery, Sehorn was a legit big time Pro Bowl type talent. Giants ruined his career by letting him try to return kicks and thus blowing out his ACL. He's never been the same since.
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                    • bkrich83
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                      #190
                      Re: For those who are white-americans...

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                      Come on, honestly, didn't Jason Williams, Jason Sehorn, Keith Van Horn in his first year, Wally Sczcerbiak coming out of college, Tommy Morrison in boxing, Butterbean pull serious media coverage/fan interest.



                      <hr /></blockquote><font class="post">

                      Bear in mind, pre-knee surgery, Sehorn was a legit big time Pro Bowl type talent. Giants ruined his career by letting him try to return kicks and thus blowing out his ACL. He's never been the same since.
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                      • bkrich83
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                        #191
                        Re: For those who are white-americans...

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                        wholeheartedly disagree.

                        You can't tell me that White Americans would not become more interested if there was a white superstar player like T-MAc or Kobe. You can't tell me that many people didn't take notice at Gonzaga's success in the NCAA tournament and started watching.


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                        Then explain guys like Tiger Woods, or Michael Jordan who trancended their sports, not only on the playing field but in the corporate wold.
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                        • bkrich83
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                          #192
                          Re: For those who are white-americans...

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                          wholeheartedly disagree.

                          You can't tell me that White Americans would not become more interested if there was a white superstar player like T-MAc or Kobe. You can't tell me that many people didn't take notice at Gonzaga's success in the NCAA tournament and started watching.


                          <hr /></blockquote><font class="post">

                          Then explain guys like Tiger Woods, or Michael Jordan who trancended their sports, not only on the playing field but in the corporate wold.
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                          • bkrich83
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                            #193
                            Re: For those who are white-americans...

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                            wholeheartedly disagree.

                            You can't tell me that White Americans would not become more interested if there was a white superstar player like T-MAc or Kobe. You can't tell me that many people didn't take notice at Gonzaga's success in the NCAA tournament and started watching.


                            <hr /></blockquote><font class="post">

                            Then explain guys like Tiger Woods, or Michael Jordan who trancended their sports, not only on the playing field but in the corporate wold.
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                            • bkrich83
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                              #194
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                              One last thing. People followed butterbean, not because he was white, but because he was fat.

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                              • bkrich83
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                                #195
                                Re: For those who are white-americans...

                                One last thing. People followed butterbean, not because he was white, but because he was fat.

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