2015 Offseason Thread

[cima]

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Now that hire right there would send shock waves through the NBA community.

It still blows my mind. I wonder if they were banking on getting Thibs and now it's said he's not interested...haha.

[Yeah...THAT Guy]

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It still blows my mind. I wonder if they were banking on getting Thibs and now it's said he's not interested...haha.

I think they just didn't believe Monty is a good coach.

[dsallupinyaarea]

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Why do people think Rubio is good? He's one of the worst shooters of all time. Kind of a problem because he needs the ball all the time. It doesn't really matter how well you pass when you can't play off ball and teams lay off of you 8 ft when you have the ball. We're 5 years into the Rubio experience, he is what he is: a roster clog with a starter salary and backup skills.

He shoots 10 percentage points worse than Tony Allen. TONY ALLEN!

[King_B_Mack]

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Why you gotta hate on Ricky man? I mean Flynn obviously = LOL, but Ricky is cool. I mean I get he's a terrible shooter but dude can make plays.

I've never been on the Rubio hype train and I don't think it was a smart pick at the time either because when you're a team that sucks like the Wolves did at the time, you don't get cute and draft a player to stash overseas for years. If they were going to take three point guards in the first round like they did, with the roster they had in place, then they should have still taken Steph since regardless of anything else he could be a lights out spot up shooter to help spread the floor for you, while you have Lawson or Teague or anybody other than Flynn to run the offense and break the defense down with their ability to penetrate and kick.

Pelicans should hire Monty Williams. Dude took a team to the playoffs in the WC that no one thought would even make it.

Thibs is clearly waiting for Cleveland. He probably would have been trying to get there regardless but Jerry's ******* burying him along with those two clowns Gar and Pax have made it a certainty that's what he's trying to do.


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[jeremym480]

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I think they just didn't believe Monty is a good coach.

After the way Monty was constantly boo'ed at Home games this year I wasn't surprised that ownership "listened" to the fans.

[cima]

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I've never been on the Rubio hype train and I don't think it was a smart pick at the time either because when you're a team that sucks like the Wolves did at the time, you don't get cute and draft a player to stash overseas for years. If they were going to take three point guards in the first round like they did, with the roster they had in place, then they should have still taken Steph since regardless of anything else he could be a lights out spot up shooter to help spread the floor for you, while you have Lawson or Teague or anybody other than Flynn to run the offense and break the defense down with their ability to penetrate and kick.

Well in hindsight it's easy to choose those guys over Ricky and I agree, Curry should have at the very least been picked over Flynn. But at the time Rubio was major hyped because he was starting on the Olympic team at 17 years old that almost beat USA. So it's easy to see why people were high on him. I don't think anyone anticipated him not developing into at least an average shooter. I was never a fan of drafting so many PGs in the first place though.

Thibs is clearly waiting for Cleveland. He probably would have been trying to get there regardless but Jerry's ******* burying him along with those two clowns Gar and Pax have made it a certainty that's what he's trying to do.


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Well he's gonna have to wait awhile, Blatt isn't going anywhere. He really deserves more credit than he's getting. Funny to me when some people already anointing Kerr as a better coach than Blatt...Blatt made it to the same place Kerr did (NBA Finals).

[Yeah...THAT Guy]

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Why do people think Rubio is good? He's one of the worst shooters of all time. Kind of a problem because he needs the ball all the time. It doesn't really matter how well you pass when you can't play off ball and teams lay off of you 8 ft when you have the ball. We're 5 years into the Rubio experience, he is what he is: a roster clog with a starter salary and backup skills.

He shoots 10 percentage points worse than Tony Allen. TONY ALLEN!

Rubio isn't great or anything, but despite his shooting woes, he makes a very positive impact on his team's offense because of how good he is at creating for teammates, and he's a strong defender. And while he can't shoot or finish, he will at least knock down free throws at the end of games provided they ever get that team to the point where they're leading at the ends of games.

And to nitpick, this upcoming season will be his 5th, and he's still only 24.

He hasn't become the transcendent PG that some hoped he would be, but he's still a pretty good player.


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[cima]

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He's a culture coach. There's a certain kind of roster you need to have in place for Skiles to be effective. You've got to have guys willing to be coached in place so that he's most effective. He definitely turned the Bulls' franchise around by changing the culture here. Only problem with Skiles is that his style will eventually wear on guys if they still aren't winning in the playoffs eventually.

This. I was looking back at my old posts when I predicted the 04-05 Bulls making the playoffs and it had a lot to do with Skiles becoming coach, more than I realized. He completely changed their defensive identity. I feel he can do the same with Orlando with their athleticism and the guys are young enough to listen to him without tuning out just yet.

On a side note, I just went back and was looking at team stats in the 03-04 season...good lord I had forgotten that was some ugly offensive basketball. 9 teams averaged 90 PPG or less. In comparison, the Knicks in 14-15 average 91.9 PPG which was 30th...that would've been 16th in 03-04.

[King_B_Mack]

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I'm not saying Rubio isn't a good player for what he is and I know why there was hype around him. However my point was that you don't draft players to sit overseas in the top 5 when you suck. If you're a good team like say the Spurs or somebody and you get the injury bug one year that lands you in the lottery and you get a top 5 pick. If you want to take on a project guy or someone like Rubio (who there were questions from the jump about if and WHEN he'd actually come over after getting drafted) then that's fine for that team, cause he'll just be depth on a playoff team anyway who can grow as player with no real pressure on him. But when you're terrible and lottery mainstay, you don't have the luxury of making decisions like that. Especially since they're next two picks were point guards anyway.


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Well I don't ever remember anyone giving Kahn a pass on his moves when he was in Minnesota so you're kind of just regurgitating the past on this one.

[dsallupinyaarea]

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I remember my buddy telling me that Rubio/Flynn reminded him of Thomas/Dumars. Not his finest hour.

[Yeah...THAT Guy]

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I'm not saying Rubio isn't a good player for what he is and I know why there was hype around him. However my point was that you don't draft players to sit overseas in the top 5 when you suck. If you're a good team like say the Spurs or somebody and you get the injury bug one year that lands you in the lottery and you get a top 5 pick. If you want to take on a project guy or someone like Rubio (who there were questions from the jump about if and WHEN he'd actually come over after getting drafted) then that's fine for that team, cause he'll just be depth on a playoff team anyway who can grow as player with no real pressure on him. But when you're terrible and lottery mainstay, you don't have the luxury of making decisions like that. Especially since they're next two picks were point guards anyway.


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Yeah, I have no problem with that perspective. I was simply pointing out that Rubio has been pretty good so far in his four years in the NBA.

Just to play devil's advocate though, when you're terrible and are a lottery mainstay, isn't that kind of the time to take a chance on a potential star that might not come over right away? Every team is obviously different, but theoretically, the Wolves could have picked up a couple more stud lottery picks in his absence and then you might have a quick turnaround. And on the flipside, if you're a contender (and don't have the crazy depth the Spurs seem to have every year), taking a guy that can contribute right away might be best.

[wwharton]

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Why do people think Rubio is good? He's one of the worst shooters of all time. Kind of a problem because he needs the ball all the time. It doesn't really matter how well you pass when you can't play off ball and teams lay off of you 8 ft when you have the ball. We're 5 years into the Rubio experience, he is what he is: a roster clog with a starter salary and backup skills.

He shoots 10 percentage points worse than Tony Allen. TONY ALLEN!

I just find the description of what makes Rubio so bad can be applied word for word to Rondo, and he had people around here calling him the best PG in the league.

Rondo's a better rebounder, Rubio's a better FT shooter... FTs are more important than rebounds for your PG. Just sayin'

[areobee401]

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Scott Skiles officially in as Magic next coach.

[King_B_Mack]

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Well I don't ever remember anyone giving Kahn a pass on his moves when he was in Minnesota so you're kind of just regurgitating the past on this one.

Wasn't saying he got a pass. Was looking at old drafts this morning and simply saying we could reflect on it now for a moment.


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