2015 Offseason Thread

[dsallupinyaarea]

Re: 2015 Offseason Thread

I just find the description of what makes Rubio so bad can be applied word for word to Rondo, and he had people around here calling him the best PG in the league.

Rondo's a better rebounder, Rubio's a better FT shooter... FTs are more important than rebounds for your PG. Just sayin'

I don't think Rondo is good either. In general, I don't think you can give big minutes to wings and PGs that can't hit the side of a barn, anymore. Defenses are too good and smart. Tony Allen was schemed right off the court against the Warriors and he brings more to the table than Rubio or Rondo.

Rubio makes Rondo's shooting look semi-decent. He's not regular bad, he's historically bad. He can't shoot 3's, 2's, layups, nothing. He hasn't cracked 40% in any season of his career.

[ojandpizza]

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Rubio's percentages aren't always a great indication of his shooting ability though. He actually has a decent stroke, shoots over 80% on free throws.. His thing is he doesn't shoot often at all, I wouldn't be surprised if he's never broken double digit shot attempts.. Therefor a lot of times his shots are bad shots out of necessity, which does skew his percentages slightly. Not claiming he's a good shooter, just saying he's not what I would call worse than Rondo or Allen.

Otherwise he is great. Controls the offense well, without holding the ball forever or being over dominant like Rondo, great passer, plays good defense, runs the break well, he's a good "true" PG. He's more like a Jason Kidd to me than a Rondo, he just doesn't have his finishing ability.

I think the reason behind drafting him, and the hopes for his future, is getting the guys around him that can get stops and get out and run, let his play making abilities become a factor. But in reality his style of play just isn't a great fit for today's league, no longer can a point guard really be just a playmaker.

Rubio's strengths however are all the more reason I think they should draft Okafor. A good low post scorer, paired with a good perimeter scorer (Wiggins) are two weapons you want around a great playmaker. Hopefully he develops a decent enough 3 point shot that teams at least have to respect him, as Kidd eventually did.


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[JazzMan]

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But when you're terrible and lottery mainstay, you don't have the luxury of making decisions like that.

Says who? That's a perfect time to take a guy with potential and stash him overseas. You suck the next season, get another high pick, draft a hopeful stud, and lure the previous guy away from Europe.

[cima]

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Ricky has actually improved his shooting. He went 40.4% this year from 16-23 feet, 42-104 shots. League average was 39.4% so he's at least average there. 2013-14 he was 52-169 from 16-23 feet or 30.8%. It was really at the rim % that dragged his 2P% down.

At rim: 13-39 33.3%
3-10 ft: 0-3
10-16 feet: 10-22 45.5%
16-23 feet: 42-104, 40.4%
3Pt: 13-51 25.5%

So basically he's terrible at the rim and from 3 point range but he's decent in the midrange.

[dsallupinyaarea]

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Ricky has actually improved his shooting. He went 40.4% this year from 16-23 feet, 42-104 shots. League average was 39.4% so he's at least average there. 2013-14 he was 52-169 from 16-23 feet or 30.8%. It was really at the rim % that dragged his 2P% down.

At rim: 13-39 33.3%
3-10 ft: 0-3
10-16 feet: 10-22 45.5%
16-23 feet: 42-104, 40.4%
3Pt: 13-51 25.5%

So basically he's terrible at the rim and from 3 point range but he's decent in the midrange.

Those numbers are even worse when you factor in the fact that he's open for the vast majority of his shots. Teams basically don't guard him in the half court.

[cima]

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Those numbers are even worse when you factor in the fact that he's open for the vast majority of his shots. Teams basically don't guard him in the half court.

Contested FG%: 35%
Uncontested FG%: 36.1%
Uncontested FG Usage: 54.3% (Uncontested FGA/FGA)

[wwharton]

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I don't think Rondo is good either. In general, I don't think you can give big minutes to wings and PGs that can't hit the side of a barn, anymore. Defenses are too good and smart. Tony Allen was schemed right off the court against the Warriors and he brings more to the table than Rubio or Rondo.

Rubio makes Rondo's shooting look semi-decent. He's not regular bad, he's historically bad. He can't shoot 3's, 2's, layups, nothing. He hasn't cracked 40% in any season of his career.

Didn't Tony Allen get hurt? I don't think he was schemed off the court either way. He's always been all about the D, and made his presence felt in that regard early in the series. But even with that said, Rubio brings SO much more to a game than Allen. I think you're focused too much on scoring, if not shooting. OJ broke it down so I won't repeat.

He is also a better shooter than Rondo, he just stays in his lane while Rondo thinks he's a better player than he really is at times. It's not all about the percentages. I've vocally expressed my displeasure with the Rondo love more than enough around here, but that's bc I thought he was being ranked too high. He still is and was a very good player, and so is Rubio. I really don't think there was anything wrong with THAT pick... then or now. He's the type of player that needs a team around him though, obviously. And the TWolves just haven't been able to build that. The picks of Lawson and Flynn are examples of why.

[dsallupinyaarea]

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Contested FG%: 35%
Uncontested FG%: 36.1%
Uncontested FG Usage: 54.3% (Uncontested FGA/FGA)

How can you build a decent offense around a PG (I say around because Rubio needs the ball in his hands) that shoots 36% on open looks? On a good team, that guy is unplayable.

Didn't Tony Allen get hurt? I don't think he was schemed off the court either way. He's always been all about the D, and made his presence felt in that regard early in the series. But even with that said, Rubio brings SO much more to a game than Allen. I think you're focused too much on scoring, if not shooting. OJ broke it down so I won't repeat.

IIRC, Kerr put Bogut on him and told Bogut to just ignore him. Joerger had no choice but to pull him because he was destroying their spacing. That move was the turning point in the series.

He played 32 minutes in game 3, 15 minutes in game 4, sat game 5 with a hamstring, then played 6 minutes in the closeout game.

[cima]

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How can you build a decent offense around a PG (I say around because Rubio needs the ball in his hands) that shoots 36% on open looks? On a good team, that guy is unplayable.

I wish it was broken down even further but I'd have to imagine a lot of those uncontested shots were the 3's he was missing. Only other stat I have is 54% of his FGs at the rim were defended and he shot terribly at the rim.

But yeah he's not great. Even Rondo hit 41.9% of uncontested shots, lol. Still like others have said, he brings a lot more to the table with his defense and playmaking capabilities.

[Vni]

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How can you build a decent offense around a PG (I say around because Rubio needs the ball in his hands) that shoots 36% on open looks? On a good team, that guy is unplayable.

He could start with the 2008 celtics. But overall I agree, he isn't a starter on a contender.

[dsallupinyaarea]

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He could start with the 2008 celtics. But overall I agree, he isn't a starter on a contender.

Different league. Thibs was an assistant on that team and the rest of the league hadn't adopted his defensive principles yet. Back then it was much easier to hide a non-shooter.

[King_B_Mack]

Re: 2015 Offseason Thread

Not time to panic yet Pelicans, but I'd keep my finger near the button just in case. Come on NO.

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/sources--pelicans-interviewed-vinny-del-negro-for-coaching-job-003412611.html

By Adrian Wojnarowski
22 hours ago
Yahoo Sports

Vinny Del Negro discussed the New Orleans Pelicans coaching vacancy with general manager Dell Demps, league sources told Yahoo Sports.

The Pelicans' opening is the most sought-after in the NBA, largely because of superstar Anthony Davis. Former Houston Rockets and New York Knicks coach Jeff Van Gundy and Golden State assistant Alvin Gentry are the frontrunners for the job, league sources told Yahoo Sports.
Del Negro emerged as a candidate based upon his successful five-year run as head coach of the Chicago Bulls and Los Angeles Clippers.

In five seasons he reached the playoffs four times, including the 2011-12 Western Conference semifinals. In his final season with the Clippers, Del Negro led the franchise to its best regular season in history, winning 56 games. His career record is 210-184.

Del Negro was credited with playing a part in the development of several talented young players in both jobs. He worked in the Phoenix Suns' front office, where he ascended from player personnel director to assistant general manager. Del Negro had a 13-year playing career in the NBA.

Since leaving the Clippers in 2013, Del Negro has been an analyst on NBA TV.

[redsrule]

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Pelicans ain't hiring VDN. It'll be JVG according to my #Sources

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If they hire Del Negro they may as well bring Monty back

[ProfessaPackMan]

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Who's a better yes man than Vinny?

Plus let's be real, it won't be long before Joe Dumars is back calling shots once again. If I'm AD, I wouldn't exactly rule out playing the rest of his contract out and becoming an UFA.