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  • The 24th Letter
    ERA
    • Oct 2007
    • 39373

    #5416
    Re: The Finals: Cleveland Cavaliers vs. Golden St. Warriors Part 2

    Heard on the radio that kyrie may have actually fractured one of his toes

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    • ProfessaPackMan
      Bamma
      • Mar 2008
      • 63852

      #5417
      Re: The Finals: Cleveland Cavaliers vs. Golden St. Warriors Part 2

      Originally posted by CMH
      Yikes, if my comment was interpreted that way, my fault.

      I tried to not make this about how the Warriors lost. This is only about Curry's offense suffering.
      For the whole series or just last night? If it's last night then I'm with you there but for the series as a whole...that's where you lose me at.
      #RespectTheCulture

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      • VDusen04
        Hall Of Fame
        • Aug 2003
        • 13031

        #5418
        Re: The Finals: Cleveland Cavaliers vs. Golden St. Warriors Part 2

        Originally posted by ojandpizza
        I can't back that this Curry was just miles different than regular season Curry. I was saying during the season that this could be an outcome if he continued to play the way his game has headed..

        Last year he didn't fall back to so many forced looks. The team in general didn't. Idk if that's something that changed early with Walton or what, but it was a much bigger part of their identity this season compared to last.
        Not only did Curry get into the paint with more frequency in the regular season, he finished at an elite rate (statistics provided a page or two ago - also here: http://thesportsquotient.com/nba/201...ates-the-paint).

        It just is what it is. Maybe he was too tired to drive. Maybe he fell in love with hero threes. But I know we've discussed before (and I forgot how much Warriors basketball you said you actually watched in the regular season) but the difference in his approach throughout much of the postseason seemed very apparent.
        Last edited by VDusen04; 06-20-2016, 11:09 AM.

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        • jeebs9
          Fear is the Unknown
          • Oct 2008
          • 47568

          #5419
          Re: The Finals: Cleveland Cavaliers vs. Golden St. Warriors Part 2

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          • Vni
            Hall Of Fame
            • Sep 2011
            • 14833

            #5420
            Re: The Finals: Cleveland Cavaliers vs. Golden St. Warriors Part 2

            "All I was thinking at the end of the game was Mamba Mentality," Irving told the assembled media following the win. Irving was solid in the game, and while he missed two of his final three shots, the one he made was a clutch pull-up three-pointer over Stephen Curry with less than a minute that gave the Cavaliers a 92-89 lead they would never relinquish
            Kyrie knows what's up.

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            • ehh
              Hall Of Fame
              • Mar 2003
              • 28962

              #5421
              Re: The Finals: Cleveland Cavaliers vs. Golden St. Warriors Part 2

              Originally posted by CMH
              I think there's a bit of an overreaction to my three comment and 23's dislike for chucking.

              Nobody is taking away from Golden State's proven offense. Their style of play has been successful and I'm definitely a huge supporter of the evolution of the three.

              But there's a difference between relying on just the three and using it as a option in an arsenal of weapons.
              Yeah, and that's the thing, GSW wasn't able to execute to their typical standard the last two rounds. Their beautiful, pass-happy, three-point-chucking offense was stifled.

              Even against OKC, GSW's offense stopped looking like it has for much of the last two seasons. We'd still see it in spurts but it wasn't the same constant onslaught. Green was really the only playmaker the last two rounds and when teams contained him with a proper matchup, everything went to ****.

              At first, everyone credited OKC's length. I figured that CLE had no chance to replicate that - you had TT as a great piece for a defensive gameplan but Kyrie, JR and Love? That seemed like an impending disaster and it looked the part after the first two games. Still amazed at how those guys defended the final five games of the series.

              We saw another step in the evolution of the NBA - the new age offense explodes and everyone thinks it's unstoppable until someone finally stops it and CLE stopped it. Cool to witness.
              "You make your name in the regular season, and your fame in the postseason." - Clyde Frazier

              "Beware of geeks bearing formulas." - Warren Buffet

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              • jeebs9
                Fear is the Unknown
                • Oct 2008
                • 47568

                #5422
                Re: The Finals: Cleveland Cavaliers vs. Golden St. Warriors Part 2

                Originally posted by ehh
                How may shots did the Splash Bros have last night that were airballs or drew all glass? Had to have been 3-5 attempts.

                It's always fun to see the evolution of the sport but clearly many of us older fans think it's gone too far w/ the smallball three-point-chucking stuff. Call me a ***** or an old grouch but I'm happy CLE won.
                Totally agree... I just had an argument with a bandwagon fan. About 3 pointer.... He's still saying last nights game was rigged.... I todl him you can't rigged them missing 3 pointer after 3 pointers.

                Originally posted by 23
                Nobody is calling for iso ball either, but ball movement is not what im talking about.

                I'm talking about incessant chucking, ignoring other fundamental parts of the game.. like Vni mentioned, how many mid range shots did Steph attempt?

                How about Klay, did he even drive to the basket at all or beyond the ft line without doing a turnaround fadeaway back towards the 3 point line?

                Jump passing to Anderson Varejao on like 5 straight possessions was also another weird bunch of decisions, but no.. im not a fan of either.
                AGREE!!

                Originally posted by Rockie_Fresh88
                I enjoyed seeing Kyrie attack the basket
                I'm re watching the game now.... Just watching this battle between the 2 PG.
                Watch how Curry drives early on in the video for an and1. To taking a bunch of 3's.

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                • The 24th Letter
                  ERA
                  • Oct 2007
                  • 39373

                  #5423
                  Re: The Finals: Cleveland Cavaliers vs. Golden St. Warriors Part 2

                  I hope the win doesn't stop these guys from working on their game in the offseason.

                  James needs to rediscover his stroke

                  Irving needs to improve his court vision, he missed the cutter on so many pick and rolls...and making an entry pass seems to be rocket science for him, lol

                  I know the Warriors are going to come back better after this loss...as for Curry, I think he just had a bad series man, it happens..

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                  • 23
                    yellow
                    • Sep 2002
                    • 66469

                    #5424
                    Re: The Finals: Cleveland Cavaliers vs. Golden St. Warriors Part 2

                    Originally posted by The 24th Letter
                    I hope the win doesn't stop these guys from working on their game in the offseason.

                    James needs to rediscover his stroke

                    Irving needs to improve his court vision, he missed the cutter on so many pick and rolls...and making an entry pass seems to be rocket science for him, lol

                    I know the Warriors are going to come back better after this loss...as for Curry, I think he just had a bad series man, it happens..

                    He did but as CMH said, if he decides he's not going to choose other options, he'll keep having them.

                    It's akin to that Scott Brooks KD top of the key 3 in cruch time that barely worked... You have to do more than one thing.

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                    • jeebs9
                      Fear is the Unknown
                      • Oct 2008
                      • 47568

                      #5425
                      Re: The Finals: Cleveland Cavaliers vs. Golden St. Warriors Part 2

                      Originally posted by ehh
                      Yeah, and that's the thing, GSW wasn't able to execute to their typical standard the last two rounds. Their beautiful, pass-happy, three-point-chucking offense was stifled.

                      Even against OKC, GSW's offense stopped looking like it has for much of the last two seasons. We'd still see it in spurts but it wasn't the same constant onslaught. Green was really the only playmaker the last two rounds and when teams contained him with a proper matchup, everything went to ****.

                      At first, everyone credited OKC's length. I figured that CLE had no chance to replicate that - you had TT as a great piece for a defensive gameplan but Kyrie, JR and Love? That seemed like an impending disaster and it looked the part after the first two games. Still amazed at how those guys defended the final five games of the series.

                      We saw another step in the evolution of the NBA - the new age offense explodes and everyone thinks it's unstoppable until someone finally stops it and CLE stopped it. Cool to witness.
                      Just like the NFL. A new type of offense comes out. It works because no one is prepared. Flavor of the month as they say.

                      You know what messed up Warriors offense in the long of things. Teams started switching everything. Instead of looking for a mismatch in the most. The only mismatch they would attack was when a big got on to Curry. That's when you'd see the dribbling iso for 3. When sometimes he should of just drove to the basket (like vs Love last night).

                      I have to give props to JR Smith in the beginning of the second half. His iso jump, three pointer,and then another 3 pointer. Bought the Cavs back into the game. And Kyrie took over. Which the Warriors had no answer for on defense.
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                      • jeebs9
                        Fear is the Unknown
                        • Oct 2008
                        • 47568

                        #5426
                        Re: The Finals: Cleveland Cavaliers vs. Golden St. Warriors Part 2

                        Originally posted by The 24th Letter
                        I hope the win doesn't stop these guys from working on their game in the offseason.

                        James needs to rediscover his stroke

                        Irving needs to improve his court vision, he missed the cutter on so many pick and rolls...and making an entry pass seems to be rocket science for him, lol

                        I know the Warriors are going to come back better after this loss...as for Curry, I think he just had a bad series man, it happens..
                        I agree with everything you said. The one thing I'm worried is or if it's announced he has surgery or not. But I definitely think he is fine. It's just the defenses he faced were turned up for him.
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                        • VDusen04
                          Hall Of Fame
                          • Aug 2003
                          • 13031

                          #5427
                          Re: The Finals: Cleveland Cavaliers vs. Golden St. Warriors Part 2

                          Originally posted by areobee401
                          I ask because of some calling the 73 win season pointless without a championship. Even calling the pursuit a mistake because the team was burnt out (which I disagree with completely). I remember how I felt after the 07 NE Patriots went 18-0 then lost in the SB. Looking back the 18-0 record means nothing to me. Nice little story, made for some fun memories, but that's where it ends. Was curious to hear the GSW fans side of things.
                          I feel ya. Probably varies from person to person. I'm pretty certain there's no Warriors fans sitting out there right now feeling nice and chipper today because they've got 73 wins to their name. But when considering the entire picture as time goes on, it should be reflected upon fondly by many, particularly with a championship having a occurred a year prior.

                          If we think about it, the Run TMC era Warriors have been glorified for two decades. Mitch, Chris, and Tim are Oakland heroes and at least one sports doc has been made about them. Outside of a first round surprise over the Spurs, they made virtually no waves in the postseason. Yet, there remains a sense of reverie.

                          Ditto the '07 squad. No ring, not even a conference finals appearance, but a great memory for a lot of basketball fans, even if the dream ended early.

                          So really, when considering what the '15 and '16 Warriors have done by comparison, they should be local legends, with all of their accomplishments celebrated. Sports is winning, but sports is also the experience. And it's tough to suggest it hasn't been a great ride and experience for the team and city over the past two years.

                          Then again, this is all coming from a guy who's still living off of his team's NBA championship in 2004. All I wanted was to see my squad win once during my adult life. Once I got that, it's all been a bonus ever since.

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                          • jfsolo
                            Live Action, please?
                            • May 2003
                            • 12965

                            #5428
                            Re: The Finals: Cleveland Cavaliers vs. Golden St. Warriors Part 2

                            As this season went on is was clear to see that the "dagger 3" became the central part of GS's offensive identity. By ultimately coming up a short with that style it means that mimicry of it by other teams around the league will not be as pronounced.

                            The way they played in November was a better brand of ball than how they played in April. The absurd shooting skill masked a decline in the soundness of their decision making.

                            Other teams around the league will mimic GS to a degree, but(partly because they aren't going to have the shooting skill) coaches aren't going to let the "FU" 3 become the core identity of the team.
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                            • 23
                              yellow
                              • Sep 2002
                              • 66469

                              #5429
                              Re: The Finals: Cleveland Cavaliers vs. Golden St. Warriors Part 2

                              Originally posted by VDusen04
                              I feel ya. Probably varies from person to person. I'm pretty certain there's no Warriors fans sitting out there right now feeling nice and chipper today because they've got 73 wins to their name. But when considering the entire picture as time goes on, it should be reflected upon fondly by many, particularly with a championship having a occurred a year prior.

                              If we think about it, the Run TMC era Warriors have been glorified for two decades. Mitch, Chris, and Tim are Oakland heroes and at least one sports doc has been made about them. Outside of a first round surprise over the Spurs, they made virtually no waves in the postseason. Yet, there remains a sense of reverie.

                              Ditto the '07 squad. No ring, not even a conference finals appearance, but a great memory for a lot of basketball fans, even if the dream ended early.

                              So really, when considering what the '15 and '16 Warriors have done by comparison, they should be local legends, with all of their accomplishments celebrated. Sports is winning, but sports is also the experience. And it's tough to suggest it hasn't been a great ride and experience for the team and city over the past two years.

                              Then again, this is all coming from a guy who's still living off of his team's NBA championship in 2004. All I wanted was to see my squad win once during my adult life. Once I got that, it's all been a bonus ever since.
                              Thing about Run TMC is, they were a tandem, and a good one at that...but nobody in that time was trying to compare them to Bird's Celtics or the Showtime Lakers.

                              This stuff now is out of control just to have talking points. The whole what have you done for me lately crowd is what makes those stories that burn up in flash. The same media who built up Steph and the Warrios image this season are tearing it back down, and it's not a surprise.

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                              • ProfessaPackMan
                                Bamma
                                • Mar 2008
                                • 63852

                                #5430
                                Re: The Finals: Cleveland Cavaliers vs. Golden St. Warriors Part 2

                                I wonder what GS shot from 3 on open shots last night compared to the previous 6 games. I'm guessing off the top of the head that they were all pretty close from each other.

                                If I had to guess, I'd say...between 35%-40%
                                #RespectTheCulture

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