The Finals: Cleveland Cavaliers vs. Golden St. Warriors Part 2

[CMH]

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We're back on "can't win shooting a bunch of 3s"? Predictable.

I didn't say that.

The three isn't going away.

But ONLY shooting threes is exactly like ONLY trying to dunk.

Curry heavily leaned toward the three ball without giving the defense any reason to consider secondary options. That hurt his offense. It's not how he played during the year.

[Boltman]

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How may shots did the Splash Bros have last night that were airballs or drew all glass? Had to have been 3-5 attempts.

It's always fun to see the evolution of the sport but clearly many of us older fans think it's gone too far w/ the smallball three-point-chucking stuff. Call me a ***** or an old grouch but I'm happy CLE won.

My sentiments as well.

[23]

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So we're going to use this 3 game skid as proof that the strategy is flawed and ignore the past 2 years when they ran laps around the league?


Not liking the strategy because of a viewing preference is one thing, saying it doesn't work is just wrong. They won the title just last year.

Bruh you're twisting stuff into your own words, so please don't try to phrase it like I said it like that.

...and depending on who you ask the Warriors got lucky last year because they played injured teams. (not my words once again)

There were alot of things that happened, stop fronting like they just won shooting 3s only.

That's why Iggy ran away with that finals mvp. He did other things.

[Rockie_Fresh88]

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I enjoyed seeing Kyrie attack the basket

[VDusen04]

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Bruh you're twisting stuff into your own words, so please don't try to phrase it like I said it like that.

...and depending on who you ask the Warriors got lucky last year because they played injured teams. (not my words once again)

There were alot of things that happened, stop fronting like they just won shooting 3s only.

That's why Iggy ran away with that finals mvp. He did other things.

I feel as though his response came only after folks attempted to suggest the Warriors lost because all they wanted to do was shoot threes, at which time people pointed out there was a lot more to it than that.

The Warriors were arguably one blocked Andre Iguodala layup away from winning two championships in a row, winning more times in the regular season than any other team, ever. The system, when ran competently, appears to be one of the most successful we've ever seen.

That said, I believe Steve Kerr, and anyone who watched the Warriors extensively over these past two seasons, would be quick to point out that Curry's errant behind-the-back pass and his refusal to get to the hole on that Love play were both completely inconsistent with what the system typically prefers.

[ProfessaPackMan]

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Oh boy, I see where the convo is headed now, lol

Now I see how easily narratives can get created.

[Vni]

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I enjoyed seeing Kyrie attack the basket

Kyrie looked like a complete offensive player. Was kind of shocking to see that all Curry had to offer was long bombs.

[CMH]

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I think there's a bit of an overreaction to my three comment and 23's dislike for chucking.

Nobody is taking away from Golden State's proven offense. Their style of play has been successful and I'm definitely a huge supporter of the evolution of the three.

But there's a difference between relying on just the three and using it as a option in an arsenal of weapons. Curry is heralded for being a great three point shooter. He definitely won't forget how to drop the ball into the hoop from 30 feet out. And I love his style for that. It's amazing.

However, if he thinks that making his entire game around threes will make him a better offensive player, he's wrong. The court is big but it gets mighty smaller when defenders know you'll only run to the three point line.

My comments are not being said to destroy Curry or say his act is old and gone forever. He's still super special and will continue to be. Maybe he's so hurt he couldn't drive to the basket. Possible. But hey, he refuses to say it affected his game so I can only assume it didn't and his refusal to drive was his own choice.

A bad one. They got close. They nearly won in spite of themselves. I'm sure they'll be right back in the conversation once the playoffs roll around again.

[23]

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I feel as though his response came only after folks attempted to suggest the Warriors lost because all they wanted to do was shoot threes, at which time people pointed out there was a lot more to it than that.

The Warriors were arguably one blocked Andre Iguodala layup away from winning two championships in a row, winning more times in the regular season than any other team, ever. The system, when ran competently, appears to be one of the most successful we've ever seen.

That said, I believe Steve Kerr, and anyone who watched the Warriors extensively over these past two seasons, would be quick to point out that Curry's errant behind-the-back pass and his refusal to get to the hole on that Love play were both completely inconsistent with what the system typically prefers.

What people?

I've suggested plenty of things in here.

Coaching
Players
Shooting
Bad passing, among other things. He comes in here talking about 3s only.

No need to cape for a dude who's just trying to start an argument.

[CMH]

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I feel as though his response came only after folks attempted to suggest the Warriors lost because all they wanted to do was shoot threes.

Yikes, if my comment was interpreted that way, my fault.

I tried to not make this about how the Warriors lost. This is only about Curry's offense suffering.

[VDusen04]

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I think there's a bit of an overreaction to my three comment and 23's dislike for chucking.

Nobody is taking away from Golden State's proven offense. Their style of play has been successful and I'm definitely a huge supporter of the evolution of the three.

But there's a difference between relying on just the three and using it as a option in an arsenal of weapons. Curry is heralded for being a great three point shooter. He definitely won't forget how to drop the ball into the hoop from 30 feet out. And I love his style for that. It's amazing.

However, if he thinks that making his entire game around threes will make him a better offensive player, he's wrong. The court is big but it gets mighty smaller when defenders know you'll only run to the three point line.

My comments are not being said to destroy Curry or say his act is old and gone forever. He's still super special and will continue to be. Maybe he's so hurt he couldn't drive to the basket. Possible. But hey, he refuses to say it affected his game so I can only assume it didn't and his refusal to drive was his own choice.

A bad one. They got close. They nearly won in spite of themselves. I'm sure they'll be right back in the conversation once the playoffs roll around again.

Well stated. I'm with you.

Yikes, if my comment was interpreted that way, my fault.

I tried to not make this about how the Warriors lost. This is only about Curry's offense suffering.

Nope, that's probably on me for my own wording. That comment was a knee-jerk response to another comment that I felt was a response to another comment so on and so forth...

It seems we're generally on the same page here.

[23]

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Yikes, if my comment was interpreted that way, my fault.

I tried to not make this about how the Warriors lost. This is only about Curry's offense suffering.

At least you didn't say trade Curry like some fans did when Cle lost a game.

I do still think Love needs to ask for a trade though.

[ojandpizza]

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I can't back that this Curry was just miles different than regular season Curry. I was saying during the season that this could be an outcome if he continued to play the way his game has headed..

Last year he didn't fall back to so many forced looks. The team in general didn't. Idk if that's something that changed early with Walton or what, but it was a much bigger part of their identity this season compared to last.


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[areobee401]

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Not sure if I'm qualified because I'm a Pistons fan first, but this Warriors season was incredible regardless. I'm certain it hurts for real Warriors fans just like it hurt when Rasheed Wallace left Robert Horry open in 2005.

But then again, on that same line of thought, the Horry shot hurt, but us Pistons fans were at least able to celebrate a championship the year prior. You'd always love to win two, but losing to San Antonio in '05 would have been way worse if there'd been no ring in 2004.

I kind of look at it the same with the Warriors this year. If they'd never won last year, this L would have been absolutely agonizing, with everyone wondering if it's possible to even win with their style of play, whether the Warriors have "It", whether a team can ever succeed with Stephen Curry as its point guard, whether Steve Kerr needs to cede his throne to Andris Biedrins, etc.

Instead, with a championship in tow, I've looked at this Warriors team as an era so far, one that has featured an NBA championship, the greatest start in NBA history (24-0), the greatest regular season record in history, and a gutsy, exciting, and unique style of play that's probably going to change the game forever (even in a loss, Pandora's Box of newly acceptable shot attempts has been opened; it's going to take time for others to catch up, but it's opened).

In short, I personally still care about the 73 wins. It's been a part of a wonderful ride. I imagine every single person who enjoyed watching the Warriors would trade 73 wins for another title but since that's not reality, an all-time wins record (to go along with a ring last year) is a pretty cool thing for a franchise to lay claim.

To bring it back to Detroit, winning that ring in '04 has immortalized every single member of that roster (Ben, Sheed, Chauncey, Tay, Rip, Memo, etc). And I'm sure there's a contingent who treats every other non-ring Pistons year as forgettable and absolute failure. But many, many fans still rattle off the non-ring accomplishments from that squad as well (locals love the four All-Star year, the six straight conference finals, setting a franchise record in single season wins, etc).

Many may not care about 73 on Monday morning, but it'll go far in fondly recalling this team as time goes by ("this team" meaning this few years of Warriors basketball).

I ask because of some calling the 73 win season pointless without a championship. Even calling the pursuit a mistake because the team was burnt out (which I disagree with completely). I remember how I felt after the 07 NE Patriots went 18-0 then lost in the SB. Looking back the 18-0 record means nothing to me. Nice little story, made for some fun memories, but that's where it ends. Was curious to hear the GSW fans side of things.

[CMH]

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At least you didn't say trade Curry like some fans did when Cle lost a game.

I do still think Love needs to ask for a trade though.

Ha definitely not about that.

I see the Warriors fans already killing Curry. Forgetting he's the primary reason they are even in the Finals.