2018-19 Transaction Thread

[ojandpizza]

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There’s no such thing as the Lakers offering “too much” when trying to trade for a big name FA, especially considering how they’ve gotten others significant impact players in the past.

No such thing at all.

You want an elite, Top 5-6 player who hasn’t even entered their prime, you pay the price and the price ain’t cheap nor should it be. That’s even more prevalent in this case considering which direction the Lakers will be headed(up)and which direction the Pelicans will be going(down into the pits of mediocrity).

You can spin and claim to be realistic all you want but in this case, we know which team will be reaping the rewards of this deal and it won’t be NO.

I agree, but the Pelicans are already in mediocrity with no chance of getting out with Davis because outside of Randle they don't have young developing players. And the Lakers whether the make the trade or not are likely a WCF loss level team.

The only dude who has any real value there is Ingram, and I'm not even that high on him. Kuz can score but what else? He's also about to be 24 years old. Lonzo, man who the heck knows with that guy but I sure as hell wouldn't let Lonzo Ball be the hold up in me acquiring AD. A point guard who shoots 41% from the stripe and 32% from three. He's basically a guy you take a flyer on at this point and hope for the best.

I don't know what Ingram and Ball can be but I know what AD is. Lonzo is also going to be marginalized the entire time LeBron is a Laker. It's oil and water. Might as well move on.

I actually think Lonzo is the one guy who has immediate value regardless of his situation. He's a few consistent aggressive plays from getting to the rim and a couple percentage points better on his jump-shot away from being one of the better all around and versatile players in the league. He'll be a 15/7/7 player by next season with all-defense tendencies. Dude can't hit a ****ing FT to save his life though.

[BleacherBum2310]

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I'm not necessarily saying the Pelicans should take less, I'm just that it's too much from the Lakers side. Lonzo/Ingram/Kuz still fall a good chunk short of matching salary wise, so you're also looking at probably 2 more pieces just to match the money. Kuz's contract is only like 1 mil a year right now. 3 starters, 2 role players, multiple firsts is too much for any team to give up for any player, even if it's a star with 0 injury history which Davis isn't.

If we are being realistic, Kuzma has outplayed just about any other player rumored in offers this year. He's been better than Tatum. I know we are basing trade value on how he and Brown looked in last years playoffs, but it's becoming a smaller sample size the more time goes on. And not just speaking on his per game outlook, but the way he has played with guys out. He's inconsistent, but so is any young player/pick, but he has zero issue with taking on the lead scoring role.

Lonzo is legitimately a first team all defense guard. He's top 10 among guards in rebounds, assists, steals, blocks.. Nobody will mistake him for a dominant scorer, but he makes **** happen and has a feel for the game that the Lakers would instantly miss. He's still learning when to be aggressive and when not to be, but on the other end of the ball he has it figured out. He's had monster games for them this year where his impact was undoubtedly the most on the floor. Game against the Hornets for example where h had a triple double, held Kemba to 0-9 while he was on him, and everyone he defended in total 1-15. He also had a 3 game stretch where players he defended shot a combined 5-26. And his size allows him to switch 1-3 as well.

Ingram's scoring is still lacking where it was expected to be, but he does play better when he is put into the role of the lead guy when players are out. He's played basically all positions for them 1-4 at some point this season, now starting as a 6'9 SG. Good defender, decent secondary ball handler. He also averages 21/6/4 per 36 in minutes where LeBron is out or on the bench. So his ability to be more of the guy is there, just like the others he's just young and it's not consistent yet.

Lakers would be losing two 20 point capable players, a triple double threat point guard, two good defenders, and would have to rework their starting line-up to accommodate 3 new starters, possibly 4 if Davis were to move to center. Circumstances here are a bit different because they have LeBron, and pairing him with Davis gives them one of the best 1-2 punches in the league and they no longer have to worry about "waiting" on those young pieces to reach some potential that may/may not even be there.

But if there were no LeBron, and there wasn't a shot to make a deep run now, there is no way they give up all 3 of those guys plus depth for Davis, or likely any player in the league. Again, the Pelicans should ask for all 3, I'm not blaming them because they won't get a top 5 player back from anyone. I'm just saying from the Lakers side they are giving up more than they would be getting back, though come playoff time it might give them a better shot at winning right now.

The Pelicans should ask for the Lakers entire roster sans Lebron and it wouldn't be enough. tbh this is barely good enough for Jrue. I think you might be higher on the Lakers guys than anyone I've ever seen. sure PPG Kuzma is better than Tatum but there;s no way when you involve shooting and defense you'd take him over Tatum even if Tatum has become overrated nationally. I actually like Lonzo but i don't think he's much more than solid to pretty good and I don't get the Ingram love what so ever. Never have.

[ojandpizza]

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Another classic case of over valuing the young talent on the team you have a rooting interested in. Happens to the best of us (guilty). Chances are the true value lies a notch or two below where you put them.

Really not trying to put any over-value on them, I'm basically the ring leader for the Ingram is trash movement lol. I just know all 3 are starting level players, Kuzma's aggressive nature as a scorer shows when given the opportunity. Averaged 22+ a game in December with 7 boards and 4 assists, and excluding the game he left early in January he averaged another 21/6/3.. Ball has an impact level that doesn't always show in the box score, not much unlike Smart has had for you guys the past couple of years.

[Caveman24]

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Pelicans, front office 100% leaked that to Woj. It’s a cry for help honestly “Please, don’t make us send his *** to LA”

[ojandpizza]

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The Pelicans should ask for the Lakers entire roster sans Lebron and it wouldn't be enough. tbh this is barely good enough for Jrue. I think you might be higher on the Lakers guys than anyone I've ever seen. sure PPG Kuzma is better than Tatum but there;s no way when you involve shooting and defense you'd take him over Tatum even if Tatum has become overrated nationally. I actually like Lonzo but i don't think he's much more than solid to pretty good and I don't get the Ingram love what so ever. Never have.

I'm not high at all on them in terms of reaching some un-achievable superstar status. And definitely not nearly as high as most of the Laker fans are here on them. But in terms of them having 3 good starters absolutely. Me pointing out their strengths isn't me claiming all these guys are going to be superstars or anything crazy..

In a trade market where Porzingis gets you DSJ, Kawhi gets you DeRozan, prime Melo gets you Gallinari and Chandler, Cousins gets you Buddy Heild, Kevin Love gets you Andrew Wiggins... A trio of Lonzo/Ingram/Kuzma plus whatever else is included is a substantially bigger return than all of those.

[BleacherBum2310]

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Please like my sport tweets were out in full force last night. Some baseball people actually had the nerve to let them fly when their two biggest free agents remain unsigned.

basketball twitter is probably more guilty of this than anyone. any thing remotely soap opish rumor wise they go this league!!! Actually it's good thing that the offseason is > than the games i guess though.

[King_B_Mack]

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Hmmmmm.......

More Adrian Wojnarowski Retweeted Adrian Wojnarowski
This could help open up marketplace on a trade for Davis between now and Thursday 3 p.m. deadline, creating stronger offers to Pels. No matter destination, Davis has no plans to sign extension this summer. The plan is signing a new deal in July of 2020, once he opts out.

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The Milwaukee Bucks are one of the teams on Davis' new extended list, league sources tell ESPN. Milwaukee hasn't inquired about a Davis trade, sources say, and its roster composition does make the pathway to a trade extremely difficult.

New Orleans rejected the Knicks on a Porzingis offer recently, and likely don't have the assets to gain the Pelicans' interest unless they defy the odds on a 12 percent chance in the draft lottery to get the No. 1 overall pick in the June draft.

EDIT: Shams just tweeted out that the list of teams he'd sign long term with are the Lakers, Knicks, Bucks and Clippers.

[ojandpizza]

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Pelicans, front office 100% leaked that to Woj. It’s a cry for help honestly “Please, don’t make us send his *** to LA”

Kinda seems that way, maybe they aren't getting the offers they expected.

[ojandpizza]

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Hmmmmm.......

Middleton is the best player they would get from any team, at least in terms of "right now" but there is almost nothing else of interest on their roster for a rebuilding team. AD and Giannis would be SCARY to watch.

[Yeah...THAT Guy]

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I would just like to reiterate that I'm okay with the Bucks getting Davis. If he signs long-term, that would be okay with me too.

[jeremym480]

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So who's responsible for leaking this one to Woj?

Where have a heard this before? Oh yeah

The proposed trade that would have sent Kevin Garnett to Boston, agreed to in principle by ex-teammates Kevin McHale and Danny Ainge, was taken off the table Thursday after Garnett got word to the Celtics that he doesn't want to play for them.
Garnett, according to sources close to the situation, is hoping for a trade to the Phoenix Suns if he has to leave the only team he has ever played for.

"The Boston trade isn't happening," Garnett's agent, Andy Miller, told ESPN.com's Chris Sheridan. "If a trade were to happen, that's not a destination that we're interested in pursuing."

Without at least a strong indication that Garnett would be willing to sign an extension with the Celtics, Ainge would be parting with virtually every enticing trade chip Boston has for what amounts to a one-year rental.

http://www.espn.com/nba/news/story?id=2912075

Deja freaking vu, huh? One thing to understand is that Danny Ainge has kahunas made of steel. When you look up the definition of "go big or go home" there's a picture of Danny. He's not going to be out bid by the Lakers of all teams and LeBron of all people. The desperation smell coming off of the Lakers and Klucth is palpable. They know this could be LeBron's last chance at a title so they're going all out....

The Pelicans caving is the the biggest hurdle here. But, any non-Lakers/LeBron fan can see why they aren't in a hurry to run back the 17-18 Lakers. Stand firm Pel's, stand firm.

[Caveman24]

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I think all of this stuff is leaking to get ahead of the curve to soften the blow if/when AD is traded to LA.

“We was going trade him to the Bucks but they ain’t have enough, Celtics not on his list & Knicks won’t know their pick for a while”

All of those pretty much say he’s going to LA but at least we tried 😂.

[ojandpizza]

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I think all of this stuff is leaking to get ahead of the curve to soften the blow if/when AD is traded to LA.

“We was going trade him to the Bucks but they ain’t have enough, Celtics not on his list & Knicks won’t know their pick for a while”

All of those pretty much say he’s going to LA but at least we tried 😂.

"Sorry Pop, we had to" lol

[ehh]

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[areobee401]

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Lakers/LeBron fans trying to spin this recent report of teams AD is interested in going to other than LA (non of which have the pieces to pull off a deal) as coming from someone not in the Klutch Sports camp is ****ing hilarious.