NBA Draft 2020

[georgiafan]

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This should be a low stress draft for me and the hawks. We have the 6th pick and are set at all 3 positions with young players or someone like Capela who is locked up for a while.

The plan should be easy just stay at 6 and take whoever is the BPA. If that happens I'll be fine with it no matter the person because as much hate as I have for our GM his strength is drafting. You could take someone like Wiseman who is more raw and let him develop.

Its a very odd spot to be in because we are a bad team and whoever we draft at 6 likely shouldn't even be getting minutes in the rotation. You have to factor in the 40+ million cap space also which will bring in 2-3 players crowding the rotation even more.

My biggest fear is they are going to try and win now because of stuff Trae Young has said. John Collins is the clear cut best player on the team and to me the gap between him and Trae is huge. If they trade him I'm going to be beyond upset.

I feel like with Capela and Collins he wouldn’t be on the board for Atlanta really. That said Atlanta is really set at every position. They are kinda in a wait and see how much each player develops spot.

If Wiseman is available I think they have to go with him. A couple years learning and developing behind Capela might be what’s best for him anyways, and while he could potentially bust I feel like he has the most boom potential by far.

If not him maybe Killian Hayes. Worst case scenario he’s a solid 6th man type and backup guard to Trae, but with his size he could easily play at the 2 and take the lead duties when Trae sits as well. Maybe even use Trae off ball more the way Golden State used Steph with another playmaker on the floor like that.

If Atlanta does sign Toppin I wonder how likely it would be that they would go ahead and move Collins.


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[ehh]

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The Toppin stuff all screams "smokescreen" to me. Hype him up, get some other team to bite.

[ojandpizza]

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The Toppin stuff all screams "smokescreen" to me. Hype him up, get some other team to bite.

Possibly, but I could also understand the logic behind picking a highly developed and experienced guy in a draft like this where 90% of the guys (or more) seem like giant unknowns. It’s probably a bit easier to read his upside than most guys in the draft in general, but especially the top 5-10 prospects.

In the little I’ve watched of him he really reminds me of Amar’e. But I do wonder how much that translates, he loves to get in the post and face up, quick spin, etc.. not a ton of that in today’s league really.

I also struggle to tell how big he is. Sure he looks like the biggest/one of the biggest guys on the floor at this level but he still looks a tad small to me. Like Corliss Williamson was huge in college and then looked like an average sized SF in the league. If Toppin is a true 6’9 meaning 6’10 - 6’11 on the floor in his shoes to go along with his 7’2+ wingspan then I could absolutely understand the hype for him being that he should have no issues sliding to a center in many line-ups and in that case someone who’s quicker switching on the perimeter could always be on the floor with him.


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[Yeah...THAT Guy]

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I wouldn't be surprised if NBA teams like Toppin a lot. I do not though. I'd be fine taking him in the 10-14 range maybe.

[ojandpizza]

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I wouldn't be surprised if NBA teams like Toppin a lot. I do not though. I'd be fine taking him in the 10-14 range maybe.

I think in plenty of drafts that is where he would land. But this draft has no guards near the top, and all the ones who possibly could have been prior to the NCAA starting up have all seemingly dropped wayyy back on mocks and big boards.

The bigger issue to me is fit. Wolves don't need him, Golden State doesn't need him, Charlotte needs a more true 5 or help on the perimeter, Bulls don't need him currently, Cavs don't need him, Hawks don't need him, after that maybe.

If Chicago were to move on from one of Carter, Lauri he might be an ok fit there. Cavs would need to be trading away Love for them to draft him and even then they need someone with a higher ceiling IMO. Hawks would only make sense for them if they moved Collins.

After that you have Detroit, who needs guards most of all, but they could theoretically draft him to replace Blake at some point. Knicks might want him depending on if they trade away Randle. Washington I don't think takes him with Rui being a better fit at the 4 for them.

Phoenix sits at 10 and while they need to upgrade their entire bench and they basically have no true PF in the mix. They slid Cam to the 4 and Bridges at the 3 when Oubre went out and that was by far their best rotation, so perhaps Toppin backin him up, or Ayton as a small 5 would be a solid 6th man role for him. However, I don't think he slides that far.

[georgiafan]

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@KevinOConnorNBA

Interesting report by Ethan: Warriors worked out Deni Avdija and loved him. I've had Golden State selecting Avdija in my two latest mock drafts (http://nbadraft.theringer.com/#mock). Some scouts and execs have him ranked #1. Don't be surprised to hear his name mentioned more as a top 3 pick.

[ojandpizza]

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If Golden State is indeed planning on keeping their pick and not trading off for a “star”, and this is the guy they want I believe they should explore trading back and picking him instead of just taking him at 2.

I look at options like #2 pick and a future first for LaVine and #4, Capela and #6, Randle and #8, because all of those teams are in tough draft spots and could all really benefit from being able to draft Anthony Edwards or LaMelo Ball.


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[jfsolo]

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Is this a draft where any team in the top 10 would give up assets to move up and get a player?

[ojandpizza]

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Is this a draft where any team in the top 10 would give up assets to move up and get a player?

In most cases no, but in the case of getting Anthony Edwards when you are looking for your SG of the future and the next one in the draft is RJ Hampton who elected to go the NBL route and is projected to be drafted in the 20s.. maybe.

Chicago needs to clear LaVine to have max money at the end of next year. They would have room to possibly throw out two max deals with him off the books because Porter and Thad I believe are both expiring. White and LaVine are one in the same and if a Chicago sticks at 4 who do they even draft? Take another point guard like Hayes or Haliburton, take Toppin when they have Laura, Carter, Gafford, Thad Young. Take Avdija to play behind Porter or if he ends up being more of a 4 behind Lauri, they already tested those waters with Mirotic. I’ve already seen stuff online saying that whoever Chicago drafts likely means they will try to trade whoever is at that spot in front of them, so might as well go for the best player in the draft... There just isn’t a clear option for Chicago. If they think LaVine is in their long term plans then it doesn’t matter to even discuss but Edwards and Ball have been 1 and 2 all year long and they could use Edwards as their SG of the future, or Ball as a more natural playmaker to put next to White and Lauri, and defend the bigger guards rather than White.

New York needs a shooting guard more than anything and like mentioned in a draft like this nobody at 8 helps them. Randle isn’t in their long term plans, and moving up in the draft to land possibly their SG of the future in Edwards would be a better move for them long term. Wayne Ellington is the closest thing to a true SG currently on their roster, they benefit from this trade the most IMO because they desperately need a playmaker (Ball) or if they max a guy like FVV, trade for CP3 or Westbrook, then the only spot left to fill on the team is shooting guard. Barrett needs to slide to a 3 spot, they signed 47 power forwards last year, and have Robinson at the 5 so even if someone like Toppin or Wiseman slips to them they don’t really help them make a jump forward.

Atlanta is in the same boat as New York. Huerter at shooting guard and then a roster full of forwards. Edwards would be the perfect pick for them, and he played at Georgia, as well as Ball because he can play next to Trae, either guard spot, likely the perfect 6th man type for them in year 1. Atlanta is in the same boat as Chicago, they are set at pretty much every position already so anything outside the top 2-3 guys is just a reserve for them. Already “internet rumors” of trading Collins to take Toppin, letting Wiseman play back up for a few years, drafting a back up point guard at number 6..

just makes more sense for these 3 teams to move up in this particular draft. New York landing back at 8 killed them and Atlanta and Chicago can’t upgrade a position or fill a need in their spots.

Of course all that depends mostly on do teams feel as high on Anthony Edwards as we’ve been told all year.. I’m not super impressed with him personally but if there are teams who are as impressed with him as they were guys like Beal coming in to his draft then it makes sense to me. Most every other SG in this draft is more of a combo guard type of player, he would be far and away ahead of the next guy in his position.


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[Yeah...THAT Guy]

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If Golden State is indeed planning on keeping their pick and not trading off for a “star”, and this is the guy they want I believe they should explore trading back and picking him instead of just taking him at 2.

I look at options like #2 pick and a future first for LaVine and #4, Capela and #6, Randle and #8, because all of those teams are in tough draft spots and could all really benefit from being able to draft Anthony Edwards or LaMelo Ball.


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If we're to assume GS does indeed want Avdija, I doubt they'd be comfortable moving back to 6 or 8 and rolling the dice on whether or not he's there.

As for the Chicago deal, how would they make the financials work with LaVine? They'd have to send them Wiggins I believe and I have a hard time seeing Chicago take on salary to get rid of LaVine.

[ProfessaPackMan]

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New York needs talent regardless of position.

[georgiafan]

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Is this a draft where any team in the top 10 would give up assets to move up and get a player?

Atlanta is one of the teams foolish enough to give up assets to move up in this draft. Just remember last year we traded up and gave up real assets to draft a role player.

[DieHardYankee26]

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I’m just stuck on “they need a SG more than anything because they have the ability to overpay or trade for a guy at other positions that they don’t have” like what does that even mean? Our biggest need is PG by far.

[cima]

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Figured the Knicks would draft a PF, they never seem to have enough of them.

[DieHardYankee26]

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