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  • ehh
    Hall Of Fame
    • Mar 2003
    • 28962

    #256
    Re: 2020 Offseason Thread

    Some things are best left in the 90s.
    "You make your name in the regular season, and your fame in the postseason." - Clyde Frazier

    "Beware of geeks bearing formulas." - Warren Buffet

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    • ojandpizza
      Hall Of Fame
      • Apr 2011
      • 29807

      #257
      Re: 2020 Offseason Thread

      I feel like the coach thing is only a big deal because it's Kyrie who said it. That said Kyrie saying it is what makes it a bit warranted as far as the "wait a minute" take aways from it. He has now built a track record for kind of going against coaching ideals and schemes that actually work and just frankly been more successful with out him in the fold. He butted heads with Lue when he wanted to make tempo changes, supposedly didn't like being in LeBron's shadow (which also he made the KD comments, and then LeBron made the jealous comments), Boston has now been ECF teams having better seasons twice without him but similar surrounding pieces, the Nets played better this year without him and were coach&exec of the year caliber front office structured and move on from that coach..

      IDK, I don't think he and KD will have chemistry issues, and even if there is some on court chemistry/role clashing or overlapping it's something that like ehh mentioned probably won't matter come playoff time.

      IDK what to expect from the Nets though. They should be plenty deep this year if they have a similar roster plus Kyrie and KD, that said I also completely understand trying to land a 3rd guy while they have the means to.. Rumors are Dinwiddie could be in trade talks, if all it takes contract wise to swing a star is pairing Harris with him I think it's something they would explore. That said having Harris, LeVert, Dinwiddie in addition to Kyrie and KD to me is a better top end core of talent than the Clippers had with Trez and Lou and everyone was talking that 4some up like they were far and away the best 4-6 man rotation in the league.

      I say all that assuming KD is healthy and bounces back. I would expect absolute worst case scenario he's still a top 10 player and elite scorer, best case scenario he's right up there fighting for the number 1 spot with guys like Giannis, Bron, AD.
      Last edited by ojandpizza; 10-14-2020, 01:47 PM.

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      • cima
        Hall Of Fame
        • Sep 2004
        • 13478

        #258
        Re: 2020 Offseason Thread

        Originally posted by DieHardYankee26
        I don’t think Giannis is going to leave. He’s gone out of his way to say so to this point. I know guys say stuff all the time but it just seems like he’s constantly doubling down.
        Unless they're winning, I expect top guys like him to go wherever they have the best chance to win. Like if the Bucks win next year then sure that makes staying way easier because you wanna run it back with the only squad you've played with. But if they suffered another early exit or even ECF exit then he's probably looking for greener pastures.

        He's also well aware he will be the most coveted FA out there so he will explore all options regardless. Too much money and legacy on the line not to at least look when it comes time.

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        • DieHardYankee26
          BING BONG
          • Feb 2008
          • 10178

          #259
          Re: 2020 Offseason Thread

          Legacy is overrated and there’s too much money on the table to leave IMO.
          Originally posted by G Perico
          If I ain't got it, then I gotta take it
          I can't hide who I am, baby I'm a gangster
          In the Rolls Royce, steppin' on a mink rug
          The clique just a gang of bosses that linked up

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          • ProfessaPackMan
            Bamma
            • Mar 2008
            • 63852

            #260
            2020 Offseason Thread

            Originally posted by cima
            Just that part and I also watched his IG live afterwards which was interesting to say the least.
            You should watch the whole thing.

            Not that I think it’ll change your mind or thought process on him in particular but mainly for context, especially since the entire convo about that subject made some sense and wasn’t a big deal in the grand scheme of the interview.

            I imagine if it had been Spence or Joe or LeVert that made the comment, it wouldn’t have gotten the attention it received.
            Last edited by ProfessaPackMan; 10-14-2020, 03:28 PM.
            #RespectTheCulture

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            • ProfessaPackMan
              Bamma
              • Mar 2008
              • 63852

              #261
              Re: 2020 Offseason Thread

              Why do we assume Giannis wants a bigger market?

              Whenever I hear these rumors, I always assume it’s fans/media projecting what THEY want onto a player, even though the player hasn’t given us any indication they want to leave.
              #RespectTheCulture

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              • cima
                Hall Of Fame
                • Sep 2004
                • 13478

                #262
                Re: 2020 Offseason Thread

                Originally posted by DieHardYankee26
                Legacy is overrated and there’s too much money on the table to leave IMO.

                Plenty of guys have chosen legacy over money, it's way more common now


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                • DieHardYankee26
                  BING BONG
                  • Feb 2008
                  • 10178

                  #263
                  Re: 2020 Offseason Thread

                  Originally posted by cima
                  Plenty of guys have chosen legacy over money, it's way more common now


                  Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

                  Who’s on that list for you?
                  Originally posted by G Perico
                  If I ain't got it, then I gotta take it
                  I can't hide who I am, baby I'm a gangster
                  In the Rolls Royce, steppin' on a mink rug
                  The clique just a gang of bosses that linked up

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                  • jeebs9
                    Fear is the Unknown
                    • Oct 2008
                    • 47568

                    #264
                    Re: 2020 Offseason Thread

                    Originally posted by ProfessaPackMan
                    Kinda want to see someone like Gallo in SA or even Philly, if they can get it done.
                    I like this idea. On Philly he would fill a huge spot. They need a shooter badly.
                    Hands Down....Man Down - 2k9 memories
                    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4IHP_5GUBQo

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                    • ojandpizza
                      Hall Of Fame
                      • Apr 2011
                      • 29807

                      #265
                      Re: 2020 Offseason Thread

                      Originally posted by jeebs9
                      I like this idea. On Philly he would fill a huge spot. They need a shooter badly.
                      They really need a shooter who's a guard though. Would be a bit redundant to have Simmons, Harris, Gallo, Korkmaz, Scott, Burks, and even Richardson all getting some time at the 3, and Harris, Gallo, Scott, Horford, Simmons getting time at the 4.

                      I also don't think they really lack "shooters" they were tied for 8th in percentage but they just don't really take all that many, and Ben not taking them at all really shifts that too. But Korkmaz, Burks, Milton all shot 40% or better, and Harris, Horford, Thybulle, Scott all 35% or better, and the next tier down Robinson, Embiid, Richardson, all about 33-34%.. That's pretty solid as a team.

                      I do think they are missing that deadeye guy because their guys can be streaky, but I don't know if Korkmaz can't be more of that type of guy, but what they are REALLY missing is a guy who can move and get himself open instead of playing off Ben, someone like say JJ Redick that they didn't keep.

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                      • cima
                        Hall Of Fame
                        • Sep 2004
                        • 13478

                        #266
                        Re: 2020 Offseason Thread

                        Originally posted by DieHardYankee26
                        Who’s on that list for you?

                        Heatles did it, Spurs regularly did it. Dino talking about doing it. AD forced a trade out instead of staying for a supermax. Those are just off the top of my head. Rondo said he got offered more recently.

                        Turning down supermax is a different story but I guess I wouldn't be shocked to see Giannis do it


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                        • ProfessaPackMan
                          Bamma
                          • Mar 2008
                          • 63852

                          #267
                          Re: 2020 Offseason Thread

                          Originally posted by ojandpizza
                          They really need a shooter who's a guard though. Would be a bit redundant to have Simmons, Harris, Gallo, Korkmaz, Scott, Burks, and even Richardson all getting some time at the 3, and Harris, Gallo, Scott, Horford, Simmons getting time at the 4.

                          I also don't think they really lack "shooters" they were tied for 8th in percentage but they just don't really take all that many, and Ben not taking them at all really shifts that too. But Korkmaz, Burks, Milton all shot 40% or better, and Harris, Horford, Thybulle, Scott all 35% or better, and the next tier down Robinson, Embiid, Richardson, all about 33-34%.. That's pretty solid as a team.

                          I do think they are missing that deadeye guy because their guys can be streaky, but I don't know if Korkmaz can't be more of that type of guy, but what they are REALLY missing is a guy who can move and get himself open instead of playing off Ben, someone like say JJ Redick that they didn't keep.
                          How many attempts were those guys taking though?
                          #RespectTheCulture

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                          • DieHardYankee26
                            BING BONG
                            • Feb 2008
                            • 10178

                            #268
                            Re: 2020 Offseason Thread

                            Originally posted by cima
                            Heatles did it, Spurs regularly did it. Dino talking about doing it. AD forced a trade out instead of staying for a supermax. Those are just off the top of my head. Rondo said he got offered more recently.

                            Turning down supermax is a different story but I guess I wouldn't be shocked to see Giannis do it


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                            Like you said I think the supermax has changed the math on this but you’re not wrong, it could go either way. It’s especially interesting if the pandemic affects the salary cap in a way that the supermax offer goes down, but I’m not betting against a guy taking 5/250 until I’ve seen it.

                            And who is Dino?
                            Originally posted by G Perico
                            If I ain't got it, then I gotta take it
                            I can't hide who I am, baby I'm a gangster
                            In the Rolls Royce, steppin' on a mink rug
                            The clique just a gang of bosses that linked up

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                            • jeebs9
                              Fear is the Unknown
                              • Oct 2008
                              • 47568

                              #269
                              Re: 2020 Offseason Thread

                              Rondo opting out
                              Hands Down....Man Down - 2k9 memories
                              http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4IHP_5GUBQo

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                              • illwill10
                                Hall Of Fame
                                • Mar 2009
                                • 19826

                                #270
                                Re: 2020 Offseason Thread

                                Would love to see Sixers find a way to get rid of Horford. He is better suited for the backup Center role for this team. I don't want to pay max money for a backup. I would even mind trading for another bad contract if that player fits the roster better. I wouldn't mind having to trade someone like Josh Richardson and Shake Milton along with Horford to get a better fit. I know Sixers might be in the luxury tax, so wouldn't mind trading away picks. Sixers haven't been good recently in drafting and developing young talent(I like Thybulle though). So I rather get a young proven player or veteran specialist.

                                The need a Secondary Playmaker, consistent 40+% 3pt shooter, and a shot creator. You can knock down 2 of those with a guy like Spencer Dinwiddie. I agree they have streaky shooters. They need a guy that night in and night out will give them 40% from 3 and that plays good off the ball. I wouldn't mind going after Hield.

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