2020 Offseason Thread

[ojandpizza]

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If they can get CP3 for a similar trade like the move proposed for Westbrook I say go for it. CP3 doesn’t help their future plans at all, but there aren’t many vets I would want around my young guys like Barrett more than him. He fits a huge need at PG, and if Melo comes along after that’s a huge reunion for him and NY as well. Not that New York struggles with exposure and ticket sales, but that would still be big even for them. I’m Melo also wouldn’t mind retiring as a Knick. If you’re the Knicks you just don’t want to give up picks or young assets to make this type of move happen. OKC will want that contract off their books, if they think Randle is a great young for next to SGA and their future building I would say he’s likely enough to get a deal done plus whatever makes the salary work. I feel most other offers will be expiring contracts, picks, not many teams have a Randle level guy to risk in a trade for a guy as old and overpaid as CP3

I wouldn’t even rule out the possibility of them making a playoff push. CP3 just keeps proving he builds winners, and if Barrett, Robinson, Frank, Kevin all take an expected step forward they have pieces to be in that mix of 8 seed range teams.

Not sure Melo would follow, he seems to want to stay in Portland. I guess this off-season we will see how replaceable Portland considers him to be. I honestly think the Dame+CJ experiment might have peaked, and they need a player who is less overlapping with Dame, or if they think CJ is good enough try to get one of those PG, Westbrook, mega hauls for Dame even. But I’m sure they are sticking with that duo for now.


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[King_B_Mack]

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Portland would be absolutely insane to trade Dame. I agree the Dame/CJ pairing has pretty much run its course but they might burn Portland to the ground if they were to trade Dame no matter what the return package was.


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[jeebs9]

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Portland would be absolutely insane to trade Dame. I agree the Dame/CJ pairing has pretty much run its course but they might burn Portland to the ground if they were to trade Dame no matter what the return package was.


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[ehh]

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It doesn’t make sense for us to trade assets for CP3, I would love him on the team but only if they were just trying to dump his salary which I don’t think will happen. I’d love Melo back but I feel like he’s proven he’s worth something to a better team than us.

Right. If OKC wants to give up assets for us to take CP3's contract then sure. There's no way in hell I'd give up anything of value for him.

CP3 still has value to contending teams but what's the point in a rebuilding team signing him?

[Majingir]

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When does FA officially begin? Today was the original start date but obviously not the case.


And when's the draft?

[illwill10]

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When does FA officially begin? Today was the original start date but obviously not the case.


And when's the draft?

11/18' for the Draft. I haven't heard a date about FA. I think until the CBA is settled and figure out when and how season is started, we are in the dark. I think I read that they have to give a 6 week notice for when the season starts

[Yeah...THAT Guy]

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I wonder what the market out there for DeMar DeRozan is? Can't imagine many are chopping at the bit to pay big money to a guy that doesn't shoot 3's. But who knows, he's still a talented player.

Edit: List I was looking at didn't note he has a PO. I'm guessing he opts-in.

I'd take DeRozan as a throw-in to make salaries work on a trade for Derrick White. That's about it though. I wouldn't be trying to trade anything of value for him.

[Yeah...THAT Guy]

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It's the reality of how the game is played now, but I feel sad that DeRozan is basically considered a "defective" wing because he's not a 3pt shooter.

Moreso than the non-existent shooting (though that's a huge hole in his game obviously), DeRozan has now been in the league for 11 years and he's had a negative on/off split 10 of those 11 years. The only season he was a positive was back in 2011-12.

His teams have made it to the playoffs 6 times in his career and he's been a negative all 6 years in the playoffs. And it's not like a borderline negative; his best on/off split in the playoffs was being -4.8, which was only better than Cory Joseph, Terrence Ross, and a couple guys that played sparingly.

His style of play just generally doesn't help teams.

[ojandpizza]

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So the whole D Rose to the Lakers seems to be picking up again.. I can't be the only person who thinks that would be an awful move for LAL right? No way giving up Caruso or Kuzma for Rose improves the Lakers, and there is nothing else Detroit would take back in a trade either. I don't understand the obsession of him being a good fit from anybody who has been watching the Lakers play this past year.

Perhaps if no big trade presents itself the Lakers would trade their first pick and whatever fills cap for him? Money wise it seems like Cook+pick would work, but again why would Detroit want to do that? There would have to be a guy in the draft that they think could be a good fit for their rebuild I guess.

Still think the Lakers best course of action is bring back everyone they can, sign a solid player, or winning vet with the MLE, and then package Kuzma, first pick, and smaller contract guys (Cook, JaVale, AB, etc) or Danny Green for a solid starting level piece, and then replace Cook, JaVale, with similar guys but better like DJ Augustine and Nerlens Noel on the cheap.

Just don't see Rose as a great fit on the floor with LeBron, AD, and another big, and his role would serve little purpose on a team that has Rondo, and guys like Caruso and KCP who were plus defenders on quick guards all the way to a championship. If AB remains on the team that's just another guy who fits the defensive mold they need more than whatever Rose brings.

[cima]

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So the whole D Rose to the Lakers seems to be picking up again.. I can't be the only person who thinks that would be an awful move for LAL right? No way giving up Caruso or Kuzma for Rose improves the Lakers, and there is nothing else Detroit would take back in a trade either. I don't understand the obsession of him being a good fit from anybody who has been watching the Lakers play this past year.

Perhaps if no big trade presents itself the Lakers would trade their first pick and whatever fills cap for him? Money wise it seems like Cook+pick would work, but again why would Detroit want to do that? There would have to be a guy in the draft that they think could be a good fit for their rebuild I guess.

Still think the Lakers best course of action is bring back everyone they can, sign a solid player, or winning vet with the MLE, and then package Kuzma, first pick, and smaller contract guys (Cook, JaVale, AB, etc) or Danny Green for a solid starting level piece, and then replace Cook, JaVale, with similar guys but better like DJ Augustine and Nerlens Noel on the cheap.

Just don't see Rose as a great fit on the floor with LeBron, AD, and another big, and his role would serve little purpose on a team that has Rondo, and guys like Caruso and KCP who were plus defenders on quick guards all the way to a championship. If AB remains on the team that's just another guy who fits the defensive mold they need more than whatever Rose brings.

D Rose fills the need of having someone off the bench that can create their own shot and/or for others since no one on the roster (bench) currently can other than Dion Waiters and I won't be surprised if he doesn't return.

Luckily I think Pelinka recognizes the value AC brings and he will be off the table. Kuzma can go AFAIC.

Depends on the package. Rose has averaged 18 PPG since his Knicks days other than that really random stint in Cleveland/Minnesota in 17-18 where he didn't even put up 10 PPG, wasn't he going through some personal stuff? Cause then 18-19 on Minnesota he went right back to 18 PPG including that 50 burger.

[ojandpizza]

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D Rose fills the need of having someone off the bench that can create their own shot and/or for others since no one on the roster (bench) currently can other than Dion Waiters and I won't be surprised if he doesn't return.

Luckily I think Pelinka recognizes the value AC brings and he will be off the table. Kuzma can go AFAIC.

Depends on the package. Rose has averaged 18 PPG since his Knicks days other than that really random stint in Cleveland/Minnesota in 17-18 where he didn't even put up 10 PPG, wasn't he going through some personal stuff? Cause then 18-19 on Minnesota he went right back to 18 PPG including that 50 burger.

Except for all of Rose's scoring is on ball, off the dribble, largely at the rim, and he still can't shoot. So out of say 10 or so players they could acquire for that role he's the absolutely worst fit because the Lakers play two bigs and he can't play off of LeBron or AD..

Kudos to Rose for bouncing back at this stage in his career but you have to put into perspective that he's getting 15 shots a game right now. Kuzma scores at the same clip as him relative to points per shot/touch and he has a more reliable 3 point shot, he's bigger, more versatile, rebounds, plays some defense, isn't injured, wouldn't be stuck behind Green, KCP, AB, Caruso, Rondo in a depth chart.

He's a horrible fit and giving up anything of value would be a mistake IMO. Sure they could use someone who could create more off the dribble, but 90% of the time they don't need that with everything going to Bron/AD come playoff time. I'd much rather them figure out a way to incorporate Kuzma into lineups that feature AD at the 5 then send out assets that just help me win a ring for the same level of scorer who is old, a health liability, and can't do anything without the ball in his hands.

If they are wanting to make that type of trade at least get someone who fits that need while also fitting a role. Schroder, Oubre, Clarkson, Barton, Alec Burks, Ross, etc. There are a long list of players who can score 18ppg if they take 15 shots, grab one that can hit threes off Bron, play solid wing defense, stay somewhat healthy, and not try to do too much over dribbling when the plan is to get the ball to AD.

[cima]

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Rose is still a guy you could put in 5 out situations and let him get downhill to the rim. I don't see how that would hurt the Lakers. Just another wrinkle for them to use.

But it's just a rumor, might not be anything to it at all.

[ojandpizza]

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Rose is still a guy you could put in 5 out situations and let him get downhill to the rim. I don't see how that would hurt the Lakers. Just another wrinkle for them to use.

But it's just a rumor, might not be anything to it at all.

But why would that be a player they want? Lakers aren't playing 5 out with one of LeBron or AD on the floor to watch Rose attack the rim. Just seems like a ****ty fit to me. Like I said if nobody else is giving them value in trades and Detroit wants the pick + salary, sure make the trade. But no way would I trade would of the top 8 rotation guys for him.

[cima]

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But why would that be a player they want? Lakers aren't playing 5 out with one of LeBron or AD on the floor to watch Rose attack the rim. Just seems like a ****ty fit to me. Like I said if nobody else is giving them value in trades and Detroit wants the pick + salary, sure make the trade. But no way would I trade would of the top 8 rotation guys for him.

My guess would be just to have a third guy that can score. A form of in-game load management (Bron is great at this). But this may all be fluff too, just like that exec who thinks the Lakers will trade for CP3. I think the Lakers run it back with their same back court rather than overhauling it. Shoring up the 3/4 position makes more sense to me.

[Yeah...THAT Guy]

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I know everyone else here is as interested in the Bucks' offseason as I am, so I'm here to help! The latest rumors:

Shams: An expected strong suitor for Kings restricted free agent Bogdan Bogdanovic: The Milwaukee Bucks, sources said. Milwaukee will pursue additional playmaking and shooting this offseason to bolster the roster around their two-time MVP, Antetokounmpo, and All-Star Khris Middleton.

Zach Lowe: “I’ll give you a team I’m keeping an eye on with Victor Oladipo...Milwaukee. Just keeping my eye on them...that’s all I’m saying, that’s all I’m going to say.”

Brian Windhorst: (talking about a potential Chris Paul-Bucks trade) "I'm not sure it's realistic, because I'm not sure theres a great affinity...well I'm not gonna say."