2020 Offseason Thread

[georgiafan]

Re: 2020 Offseason Thread

I know everyone else here is as interested in the Bucks' offseason as I am, so I'm here to help! The latest rumors:

Shams: An expected strong suitor for Kings restricted free agent Bogdan Bogdanovic: The Milwaukee Bucks, sources said. Milwaukee will pursue additional playmaking and shooting this offseason to bolster the roster around their two-time MVP, Antetokounmpo, and All-Star Khris Middleton.

Zach Lowe: “I’ll give you a team I’m keeping an eye on with Victor Oladipo...Milwaukee. Just keeping my eye on them...that’s all I’m saying, that’s all I’m going to say.”

Brian Windhorst: (talking about a potential Chris Paul-Bucks trade) "I'm not sure it's realistic, because I'm not sure theres a great affinity...well I'm not gonna say."

How would they free up enough $ to make a offer for Bogdanovic ?

[Yeah...THAT Guy]

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How would they free up enough $ to make a offer for Bogdanovic ?

The only possible way would be getting him through a sign-and-trade. There's no realistic path to the Bucks having cap space this offseason.

[jfsolo]

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I expect at least 3 rotation players from the Lakers to leave for more money this offseason, I don't blame them. KCP, Rondo, and Howard are most likely IMO. I'm one those who has wanted Rose on the Lakers for a few years now. The talk about the fit, and the analytics may all say that it's not a good move, but I think it would work out well, no data, just a feeling.

Rose, Gallo on the MLE, a stretch 5, and another wing defender, replacing the 3 above and Kuzma, and lets see what happens.

[ojandpizza]

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What's crazy is people have considered KCP overpaid from the Lakers for the last 3 years now. And he had an incredibly average season this year for them, by all advanced metrics is a below average league player. It's amazing what riding along with Bron for a post season run does for some of these dudes financial situations lol. How many guys has this dude gotten overpaid at this point? He might be the only 9/2/1 player with solid but not great shooting, solid but not great defense, spent the majority of the year coming off the bench, who is now a 15 mil a year candidate.

Lakers have early birds and I expect them to hang on to KCP unless some other team REALLY drives up the price. Lakers will want to stay under tax if they want the full MLE, so the money they can give KCP likely depends on what other free agents command to come to the Lakers.

I don't see many teams offering him a big deal with the plethora of free agents that will be available next off-season. Expecting he will stay on a 1+1, or they will sign and trade him to a longer deal with a large enough number that they get their "guy" without pursuing free agents next year.

[georgiafan]

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I think Rose would be useful in the regular season with his scoring. If your able to get him for just Cook + some 2nds then why not. Even if he isn't a perfect fit for the playoffs and crunch time he will be able to handle a lot during the long regular season.

[ojandpizza]

Re: 2020 Offseason Thread

I know everyone else here is as interested in the Bucks' offseason as I am, so I'm here to help! The latest rumors:

Shams: An expected strong suitor for Kings restricted free agent Bogdan Bogdanovic: The Milwaukee Bucks, sources said. Milwaukee will pursue additional playmaking and shooting this offseason to bolster the roster around their two-time MVP, Antetokounmpo, and All-Star Khris Middleton.

Zach Lowe: “I’ll give you a team I’m keeping an eye on with Victor Oladipo...Milwaukee. Just keeping my eye on them...that’s all I’m saying, that’s all I’m going to say.”

Brian Windhorst: (talking about a potential Chris Paul-Bucks trade) "I'm not sure it's realistic, because I'm not sure theres a great affinity...well I'm not gonna say."

Oladipo to Milwaukee doesn't make sense. I don't know that he's any better of a fit for what they need than Bledsoe, other than Vic (if healthy) might not **** the bed in the playoffs, and Indiana has no reason to want Bledsoe when they already got their guy in Brogdon so what else of value would they take back for Vic?

Bogdan would be a nice fit for them, they would still need to land a point guard or decide to hang on to the Bledsoe/Hill rotation.

[Yeah...THAT Guy]

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Oladipo to Milwaukee doesn't make sense. I don't know that he's any better of a fit for what they need than Bledsoe, other than Vic (if healthy) might not **** the bed in the playoffs, and Indiana has no reason to want Bledsoe when they already got their guy in Brogdon so what else of value would they take back for Vic?

Bogdan would be a nice fit for them, they would still need to land a point guard or decide to hang on to the Bledsoe/Hill rotation.

I tend to doubt that Indiana will sell super low on Oladipo, but I also tend to trust Lowe so if he's hinting that the Bucks might be able to get him, it seems to me they might actually be able to get him.

I would imagine if the trade package is built around Bledsoe, he'd be headed to a 3rd team. I don't really foresee Indiana trading for Bledsoe after Brogdon basically left Milwaukee in part to get out from Bledsoe's shadow for more PG opportunities. Bledsoe does fit the sort of players that Indiana would generally go for outside of that though.

If Bledsoe isn't involved, I would guess George Hill would be the main salary going back to Indiana. Something like Hill, DJ Wilson, Ilyasova, and returning their own 1st round pick would probably be the best case scenario for me. I suspect they would push for DiVincenzo either in addition to the 1st round pick or at least in place of it.

Hard to get a gauge on how much trade value a guy like Oladipo has considering he's a potential 1-year rental, wants a max contract, hasn't played like a max contract player outside of one season, and hasn't been healthy for two years.

I personally wouldn't do much more if anything than the Hill/DJ/Ilyasova/pick package considering all those risks, but I'd understand if the Bucks were willing to do more. Two-way players with Oladipo's potential scoring chops don't grow on trees and I think if he bounces back, that would be a very helpful addition. He certainly isn't at the top of my list of guys I'd like to see us make a move for though.

[ojandpizza]

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I feel like my concern with Oladipo going to a team like the Buck or Lakers is that he's only really had one season in his entire career that he's looked like an All-Star caliber guy. But even in that season the ball was in his hands ALL THE TIME.. So the idea of him playing off Bron, AD, or Giannis, Middleton, and perhaps whoever the Bucks point guard will be makes me feel like he's never going to give them the value back that they are moving to get him.

Pack and I kinda talked about this a few pages back, but when you factor in his health, lack of shooting, etc I think the concern just gets a bit larger. He is a solid defender though, so just locking up on that end with the occasional big scoring burst would be huge come playoff time, I just don't know how much of a boost he gives an already great team if they have to regress in order to add him. Even in the Lakers example, KCP being the big threat he was on the corner 3s to me was a bigger + situationally than someone like Vic even though he's technically a much better player.

And on top of that I just don't feel his game has a ton of upside, and his complimentary production is still a question mark because his entire "star" status was basically predicated on a good stats-bad team type of environment. Indiana wasn't a "bad" team, but they were a defensive team built on 5-7 guys scoring 10 a night and Vic being the only high volume high usage offensive threat.

To me if Milwaukee wanted a player like Oladipo I would be swinging for a different type of trade. This would depend 100% on them being confident Giannis would stay, but a similar player to Vic (but younger and cheaper) in my opinion is Collin Sexton.

A perfect world trade for the Bucks. in my armchair GM opinion, would be trading for Sexton, Love, Osman.. Cleveland would need first round picks and Bledsoe to be moved to a 3rd team where Cleveland took back expiring contracts to get them out of Love's/Bledsoe's long term deals, but the Cavs drafting Garland made it realistic for a move like this to happen. Cavs fans wouldn't want to be trash again for a few years, but draft assets heading into a rebuild would be the best case return for Love at this point and they would open up loads of cap room for the foreseeable future.

[Yeah...THAT Guy]

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I feel like my concern with Oladipo going to a team like the Buck or Lakers is that he's only really had one season in his entire career that he's looked like an All-Star caliber guy. But even in that season the ball was in his hands ALL THE TIME.. So the idea of him playing off Bron, AD, or Giannis, Middleton, and perhaps whoever the Bucks point guard will be makes me feel like he's never going to give them the value back that they are moving to get him.

Pack and I kinda talked about this a few pages back, but when you factor in his health, lack of shooting, etc I think the concern just gets a bit larger. He is a solid defender though, so just locking up on that end with the occasional big scoring burst would be huge come playoff time, I just don't know how much of a boost he gives an already great team if they have to regress in order to add him. Even in the Lakers example, KCP being the big threat he was on the corner 3s to me was a bigger + situationally than someone like Vic even though he's technically a much better player.

And on top of that I just don't feel his game has a ton of upside, and his complimentary production is still a question mark because his entire "star" status was basically predicated on a good stats-bad team type of environment. Indiana wasn't a "bad" team, but they were a defensive team built on 5-7 guys scoring 10 a night and Vic being the only high volume high usage offensive threat.

To me if Milwaukee wanted a player like Oladipo I would be swinging for a different type of trade. This would depend 100% on them being confident Giannis would stay, but a similar player to Vic (but younger and cheaper) in my opinion is Collin Sexton.

A perfect world trade for the Bucks. in my armchair GM opinion, would be trading for Sexton, Love, Osman.. Cleveland would need first round picks and Bledsoe to be moved to a 3rd team where Cleveland took back expiring contracts to get them out of Love's/Bledsoe's long term deals, but the Cavs drafting Garland made it realistic for a move like this to happen. Cavs fans wouldn't want to be trash again for a few years, but draft assets heading into a rebuild would be the best case return for Love at this point and they would open up loads of cap room for the foreseeable future.

I'd love to have Sexton if we could make that happen. Ultimately it boils down to the cost though. If all Oladipo costs is essentially a first round pick and filler vs. Sexton costing multiple 1sts + Donte or something like that then I would rather just take Oladipo.

Sexton is a guy I would love to add to this team in general though; I just have no idea how Cleveland currently values him. Same kinda deal as LaVine, who a lot of Bucks fans have been clamoring for.

[ojandpizza]

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Just making **** up, but how about:

Bucks Receive: Kevin Love, Sexton, Osman
Cavs Receive: Expiring contracts - Danny Green, Ilyasova, Frank Kaminsky, plus promising young guards DiVencenzo, Ty Jermone, multiple first round picks from Milwaukee including this years 24th pick, and this years 10th pick from Phoenix.
Lakers Receive: Kelly Oubre
Suns Receive: Eric Bledsoe, Larry Nance, Kyle Kuzma.

Bucks would have to renounce rights to Brook Lopez but with Kevin Love coming on board they get a better version of his offense as well as a complimentary playmaker that the Bucks really need. If they felt thin on guards they could always push for Cook from the Lakers, or Payne from Phoenix. Especially if they also planned to move Hill. Sexton is their Oladipo, Osman is a younger Ilyasova who can play defense.

Cavs get two solid young players, expiring deals in place of Love, they would have the 4th, 10th, and 24th pick in this years draft plus future firsts from Milwaukee. Bad news is this draft sucks, good news is in a draft like this with so many unknowns that 24th pick might be as good as the 6th pick. Replacing Sexton with a guy like Cole Anthony, Tyrese Maxey, RJ Hampton gives them an immediate replacement if they were hesitant to let him go.

Phoenix really found something without Oubre, went to a defensive lineup with Bridges with Cam Johnson stretching at the 4. A top 10 pick for that return is steep, but again in this draft it could also be a total bust. Phoenix looked as good as anyone come bubble time and will be pushing for the playoffs. Kuz is a more athletic better defensive version of what they get from Cam, Bledsoe is a guy who can be a 1 or 2 as a 6ht man for them in place of Rubio or Booker (and Rubio injury insurance). Nance is a solid rotation guy for the 4 or back up center, excellent rim runner type offensively who would fit with Booker.. I think this type of move shoring up quality depth puts them right back in the playoff contention mix.

Lakers if nothing else get a similar type of player to what Kuzma is now but being a more true perimeter guy makes him a slightly better fit. He has a higher motor and plays with more energy and if Caruso is anything to judge by I think that high-energy play is big plus next to the older guys on the team. Worst case scenario is he's not a good fit either, or doesn't recover to form after this injury, his contract will be an expiring deal same as Danny Green's was so they can let him go, or package him at the deadline.

Best case scenario for LAL would be pushing for Robin Lopez back in this deal in the event that Dwight walks for more money. Milwaukee used him sparingly but if they decide to hang on to him perhaps the Lakers could send out this years first to Phoenix to sign and deal them Baynes, or send a couple of 2nd rounders to Cleveland for Zizic.

[Majingir]

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Pacers hire Nate Bjorkgren as their coach.

He has a long history with Nick Nurse, Nurse always being the head coach and Nate the assistant, but will now be leaving Nurse behind to become a head coach himself. They were together in the D League and won a title in 2011, then he came to the Raptors as their assistant in 2018, obviously being part of championship team.

He's the first assistant to win a championship in the DLeague and the NBA.

[jfsolo]

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IMO that deal would derail Phoenix with the addition of Bledsoe and Kuzma, but I would really like it for the Lakers.

[ojandpizza]

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IMO that deal would derail Phoenix with the addition of Bledsoe and Kuzma, but I would really like it for the Lakers.

I actually think Kuzma is the type of piece they need. Cam as the stretch 4 worked out best for them this year. I think Kuzma can fit that same role with a bit more all around skill, as well as slide to the 3 easier anytime they want to go with a slightly bigger lineup.

I think if they weren’t going for a player like Kuz the ideal piece would be a similarly skilled young player but who’s second position was more of a 5 instead of 3, like trying to grab Lauri from Chicago or something like that. Either way I think that’s the spot they could make a slight upgrade while still keeping in tact what worked for them so well at the end of the season but also having a guy who wasn’t going to over shine the growth of everyone else.. like Randle for example would be another good fit but I don’t know that he would fit in that role of playing off the others as well.

Bledsoe isn’t a home run for them, but he would be a solid 6th man. Keeps with the direction they were headed as a stronger defensive team, can play as Booker’s sub or Rubio’s sub, or even play next to them both in small ball lineups as well. If Rubio has his yearly injury stretch Bledsoe is a good reserve for him because he’ll continue with that defensive mindset.


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[ojandpizza]

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Fun wrinkle to all the actual Lakers rumors and not the hypothetical ones I make up lol... unlike the Clippers, for example, they did not include their 2026 draft pick in part of AD negotiations. Meaning that as of this off-season the Lakers now have this years first, and 2027 first that they can package in a trade.

Another small detail that Rob was able to work about so they Lakers would have more wiggle room this year and next to improve the team after landing AD. All the **** he was getting at the time, he really worked some magic with the cap space, timing of the contracts, and negotiations to get to this point.

Meaning on top of just matching salary, and Kuz, they also have two firsts they can trade. I wonder if any of this was intentional for someone specifically or not. I guess we shall see.


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[ojandpizza]

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Lakers put in a request for a career ending injury exception to remove Luol Deng’s 5 mil in dead cap off of their books.

Trading for a big contract or trying to keep everyone and stay under the tax for the full MLE? Hmm[emoji848]


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