2020 Offseason Thread

[illwill10]

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Yes, but when is that going to happen...when will Embiid 'get it'? Do you feel he 'wants' to be great?

I'm with King, I don't take that chance.

Even as a Sixer fan, I agree with that. I still like the Upside and what he could be. But we're talking about a soon to be 27 year old center in his "prime" who already has his max deal with 3 years left, who just had a baby. If he doesn't "get it" now, then he won't. The most effort he put in consistently was when he was trolling and trying to secure that max deal. There's two type of max players. One's that work hard to get it and then coast, then the others who tries to constantly get better and show they were still underpaid. Right now, Embiid seems like the former.

Maybe Doc and crew can get the most out of Embiid. He needs to show up in shape. When he showed up to the bubble and put on that hazmat suit, it was clear to see that he didn't work on his body with the time off. I just think he'll benefit being on a team with a tough never back down who demands accountability. Last several years, Sixers felt like a team of guys who was just trying to get "theirs" and not a team trying to win. Maybe Doc and Crew can change that culture

[cima]

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Nets continue loading up their various coaches to be head coach depending on the day, finalizing a deal to bring in Mike D'Antoni on the staff.

[georgiafan]

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surprised to see him take a assistant coach job if nothing else the Nets will be intresting

[cima]

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surprised to see him take a assistant coach job if nothing else the Nets will be intresting

I mean the dude is 70 years old, maybe he's tired of the HC grind? Plus even being an assistant on BK is still arguably the most attractive job out there, pretty much every other HC opening he was linked to was a rebuild or not enough to be a legit contender.

[King_B_Mack]

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Idk King, I’ve felt the #4 spot in the draft was a bad spot for Chicago since the lottery and don’t see anybody in this draft regardless that looks like a sure fire can’t miss prospect. Only 3 players all year long have looked like true top 10 level picks in this class, Edwards, Ball, Wiseman, and I don’t even feel truly solid in any of them. I don’t think any player Chicago picks starts over White, LaVine, Satoransky, Porter, Thad, Lauri, Carter, if all healthy so Chicago is just posited to sit in mediocrity unless White and Lauri take massive jumps in their game.

Embiid has injury history but he’s also been available in the playoffs 3 straight seasons now. When on the floor he’s easily a top 10 player in the league, he needs to work on conditioning because it feels like he only provides 25-30 minutes of his best play any given night before looking gassed, but he’s an MVP level talent.

This trade gives up no All-Stars, no future picks or assets, you’re selling high on LaVine just having his best case good stats bad team stats to boost value, he’s never bringing a return back better than landing a player like Joel. And you yourself said you’re no longer high on Lauri.. maybe Philly adds a future first to sweeten the deal, or swap Lauri for Satoransky, but I don’t see why Chicago would want that, perhaps Carter, but either way I don’t see a reason why Chicago shouldn’t pull the trigger here.

Unless Chicago gets blown away in a draft workout you’re basically getting Embiid for a volume scoring starter, young role player with still solid potential but better served as a reserve currently, young bench player with the draft pick. Compared to the packages for AD, PG, Westbrook, this is actually a steal for a star.


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Yeah bringing an unmotivated Embiid into a rebuilding team isn’t gonna cut it for me. Not to mention the fact that Wendell Carter like Embiid has thus far not shown that he can stay healthy either. He’s been in the league 2 years now and has never played more than 44 games in a season. So we’d be potentially looking at our starting frontcourt out for extended periods of time. I’m good on that.

Nobody on this roster is untradable to me, but with an entirely new front office and coaching staff, I’d be willing to kick the tires on another year with this group so that a competent front office can evaluate what they have and possibly actually develop the talent that’s there as opposed to the complete idiocy of the GarPax regime and Boylan who isn’t even fit to be a high school coach.

I’m hoping for Toppin at 4, but a trade up into the top 2 is on the table for Chicago too so those are avenues I’d be much more into exploring than trading for Embiid and banking on an undersized guard and 2 proven injury red flags for the franchise’s future. We can’t come out of an era derailed by a franchise crippling injury only to jump right into a new era potentially crippled by injuries to our best player. Not a risk I’m willing to take for the chance that Embiid decides to get in shape and stay motivated and hungry. If you can’t find it in yourself to get in shape for a legit championship contending team, what the hell are you gonna do with a rebuilding one?


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[Jeffx]

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Even as a Sixer fan, I agree with that. I still like the Upside and what he could be. But we're talking about a soon to be 27 year old center in his "prime" who already has his max deal with 3 years left, who just had a baby. If he doesn't "get it" now, then he won't. The most effort he put in consistently was when he was trolling and trying to secure that max deal. There's two type of max players. One's that work hard to get it and then coast, then the others who tries to constantly get better and show they were still underpaid. Right now, Embiid seems like the former.

Maybe Doc and crew can get the most out of Embiid. He needs to show up in shape. When he showed up to the bubble and put on that hazmat suit, it was clear to see that he didn't work on his body with the time off. I just think he'll benefit being on a team with a tough never back down who demands accountability. Last several years, Sixers felt like a team of guys who was just trying to get "theirs" and not a team trying to win. Maybe Doc and Crew can change that culture

I told all the Philly fans at my gym, if Doc can't get through to this cat, then forget it. It's scary what Embiid could be if had that 'iron will' Jordan, Kobe, Bird, Isiah, etc. had.

When I listen to Shaq, Barkley & McHale talk about Embiid, I can hear the frustration in their voices

[illwill10]

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I told all the Philly fans at my gym, if Doc can't get through to this cat, then forget it. It's scary what Embiid could be if had that 'iron will' Jordan, Kobe, Bird, Isiah, etc. had.

When I listen to Shaq, Barkley & McHale talk about Embiid, I can hear the frustration in their voices

I agree.

Shaw, Barkley, & McHale are right. He has the talent and physical ability to be a dominant. Like Shaq says, Embiid should be able to look at a match up and say "I'm dropping 40". It's frustrating seeing Embiid huff and puff down the court and taking bad transition 3s because he's too tired to get in the paint. Or when other teams go small and he takes bad shots instead of posting up, that's a win for other team. Maybe having experienced well respected coaches like Doc, Cassell, Joeger, Burke will be able to push him. I always felt they should have moved on from Brown sooner. He got rewarded for putting up with the "Process" years. But, he never got the full respect of Ben and Joel

[phenom1990]

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Embiid being absolutely terrible in pick and rolls is hilarious.

[illwill10]

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"76ers GM Elton Brand has signed a multiyear contract extension, sources tell @TheAthleticNBA @Stadium.

Daryl Morey’s five-year deal to be new 76ers President of Basketball Ops. is now official and he will be introduced on Monday afternoon."

[Jeffx]

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I agree.

Shaw, Barkley, & McHale are right. He has the talent and physical ability to be a dominant. Like Shaq says, Embiid should be able to look at a match up and say "I'm dropping 40". It's frustrating seeing Embiid huff and puff down the court and taking bad transition 3s because he's too tired to get in the paint. Or when other teams go small and he takes bad shots instead of posting up, that's a win for other team. Maybe having experienced well respected coaches like Doc, Cassell, Joeger, Burke will be able to push him. I always felt they should have moved on from Brown sooner. He got rewarded for putting up with the "Process" years. But, he never got the full respect of Ben and Joel

It would be a shame if, ten years from now, we look at Embiid and say, "damn, what he could have been....."

[illwill10]

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Watching the Daryl Morey press conference.
"Morey on if he’s confident the current roster can win a title with its flaws. “Our championship team probably is not going to have the same players that we have now...” He then added that he’s looking forward to seeing what players on the roster can do."

Can definitely see some trades happening

[illwill10]

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"The Sixers are expected to attempt to pursue a trade for James Harden ��

(via @ShamsCharania) https://t.co/Y8KxJOTqn5"

I hope not. I just don't think his style of play leads to championships. The way Morey was gushing over Embiid yesterday and not as much on Simmons. I could see a Simmons for Harden. I could see Houston moving on from Harden and too a rebuild. But unless they will try to trade Westbrook, Westbrook and Simmons is a bad pair

[georgiafan]

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"The Sixers are expected to attempt to pursue a trade for James Harden ��

(via @ShamsCharania) https://t.co/Y8KxJOTqn5"

I hope not. I just don't think his style of play leads to championships. The way Morey was gushing over Embiid yesterday and not as much on Simmons. I could see a Simmons for Harden. I could see Houston moving on from Harden and too a rebuild. But unless they will try to trade Westbrook, Westbrook and Simmons is a bad pair

You can't trade either Simmons or Embiid for him that would be a awful move. I think you have to see if Doc can fix this.

If your trading Harris, Richardson, Thybulle and a bunch of picks then that's a different conversation

[illwill10]

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You can't trade either Simmons or Embiid for him that would be a awful move. I think you have to see if Doc can fix this.

If your trading Harris, Richardson, Thybulle and a bunch of picks then that's a different conversation

Yeah, I wouldn't want to trade either one of them for a 31 year old ball dominant guard who has a couple years left in prime. Especially Simmons, who turned 24 this summer, coming off All NBA and All Defense.
Even then giving up Harris, Thybulle, Richardson, and picks, is Harden, Embiid, and Simmons a good trio. Then you still have Horford, no thanks. Usually with Big 3s, the third option is a primary off ball shooter. I don't see how Simmons will fit in that trio

I rather them try to trade Horford and Harris with the likelihood of giving up 1st rd picks and Thybulle and Richardson.

[zello144]

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They need to get rid of Horford but his contract is going to be hard to trade.