2020 Offseason Thread

[jeebs9]

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Idk about huge. Just as people were saying not to overrate the guys that were hot in the bubble, I don't think the guys that were more trash should be judged just on their bubble performance either. Harrell won 6th man of the year, he ain't no slouch.


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Look lol.... Ask Nokic if he rather face Harrell or Ibaka. I'm 100 sure it's Harrell every single time lol.

It's why I agree with OJ. It's Clippers win in my opinion. Clippers defense wasn't good.

https://youtu.be/YepzD44YVkw

[BleacherBum2310]

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Idk about huge. Just as people were saying not to overrate the guys that were hot in the bubble, I don't think the guys that were more trash should be judged just on their bubble performance either. Harrell won 6th man of the year, he ain't no slouch.


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in the playoffs i think there is quite a bit of a gap. maybe I'm overreacting how terrified i was of Ibaka when they played the Cs.

[georgiafan]

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On Dedmon - if he’s waived he could likely be had for the min.

On the 3rd center - I just meant that McGee, Harrell, Davis, Cacok, is enough of a center rotation already on the team to take the gamble on Boogie for now. If he doesn’t work out they get cut ties and repeat with bringing someone else in or from the buyout market the same way they did with Dwight. On that note, Dwight signing elsewhere for the minimum hurt them quite a bit.

Aside from Dedmon I wouldn’t mind the Lakers looking Giles or WCS.. I really thought they would go Noel. Seems like he was paid more than they could offer, but I thought he would have been headed there for the last 2 seasons now and it didn’t happen. He’s the best case defensive addition they could add, he just offers virtually nothing else.

Regardless I feel like adding another point guard is priority 1 right now.. I thought the best case off-season for the Lakers would have been bringing everyone back, adding a player with their MLE, exploring trades for KCP/Kuz, and adding Teague or Augustine.

Now that they are both gone I’m not really sure where the Lakers go for adding another guard to the team. Best case scenario would be Wall causing enough of a scene to eventually reach a buyout agreement, same for someone like Bledsoe.. aside from that, retry with Darren Collison, or hope maybe nobody else wants Reggie Jackson. Idk who else is even available.


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Here is a link with FA by positions the options are slim dellavedova seems like a realistic target

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/free-agents/point-guard/

[cima]

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Look lol.... Ask Nokic if he rather face Harrell or Ibaka. I'm 100 sure it's Harrell every single time lol.

It's why I agree with OJ. It's Clippers win in my opinion. Clippers defense wasn't good.

https://youtu.be/YepzD44YVkw

Almost everyone in the league is a bad matchup for Jokic so I'm not gonna argue that one.

Between the Clippers chemistry issues and the personal stuff Harrell went through losing his mom or grandma (I can't remember which), I'm not gonna judge his bubble performance and conclude he'll be a total liability in the playoffs. Plus his best attribute is rim running and now he gets to play with the league's assist leader.


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[ojandpizza]

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I’ve been calling Ibaka overrated since his OKC days because I think he big time short shot his potential on what he could/should have been vs what he actually became. I think his defense has been overrated most of his career, and get annoyed watching him shoot jumpers and not dominate the glass..

However, on a championship level team he can provide excellent back line defense where he still blocks and alter shots, and his ability to stretch the floor and play completely off ball makes him a very very valuable 5th, 6th option.

Harrell is a one trick pony. But the saving grace in that is that his one trick is slipping his way to the rim seemingly at ease and LeBron James is the best passer in the world at hitting those types of passes.

Harrell plays hard and he’s aggressive and can be a pest, that’s something the Lakes will appreciate more than a super passive player like Ibaka. But he vastly underperformed defensively last year but in all honesty so did the entire team. They never “turned it on” so perhaps joining the Lakers has him showing improvement on that end... but I’m not optimistic it’ll happen.


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[dubcity]

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No one shoukd be high on the Clippers going in to this season. Team's got issues.

[ojandpizza]

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No one shoukd be high on the Clippers going in to this season. Team's got issues.

But if the biggest one was complications with PG and Harrell getting along they might have fixed a big chunk of it.


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[cima]

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But if the biggest one was complications with PG and Harrell getting along they might have fixed a big chunk of it.


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They still need a playmaker, Kawhi and PG ain't it. Or Lou. Are there any left on the FA market? They may have to roll without one until the buyout market.

[cima]

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I’ve been calling Ibaka overrated since his OKC days because I think he big time short shot his potential on what he could/should have been vs what he actually became. I think his defense has been overrated most of his career, and get annoyed watching him shoot jumpers and not dominate the glass..

However, on a championship level team he can provide excellent back line defense where he still blocks and alter shots, and his ability to stretch the floor and play completely off ball makes him a very very valuable 5th, 6th option.

Harrell is a one trick pony. But the saving grace in that is that his one trick is slipping his way to the rim seemingly at ease and LeBron James is the best passer in the world at hitting those types of passes.

Harrell plays hard and he’s aggressive and can be a pest, that’s something the Lakes will appreciate more than a super passive player like Ibaka. But he vastly underperformed defensively last year but in all honesty so did the entire team. They never “turned it on” so perhaps joining the Lakers has him showing improvement on that end... but I’m not optimistic it’ll happen.


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I trust Pelinka and Vogel. Never forget how underwhelmed all the critics were with the Lakers signings last offseason.

I'm confident AD and LeBron will rub off on him, hell look how AD rubbed off on Bron and got him to play defense again.

[ojandpizza]

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That’s just crazy..

Gotta admit, Rondo looks good in that Hawks jersey.


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[ojandpizza]

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Bogdanovic supposedly getting big interest from the Pacers.


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[Mentch]

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I’ve been calling Ibaka overrated since his OKC days because I think he big time short shot his potential on what he could/should have been vs what he actually became. I think his defense has been overrated most of his career, and get annoyed watching him shoot jumpers and not dominate the glass..

However, on a championship level team he can provide excellent back line defense where he still blocks and alter shots, and his ability to stretch the floor and play completely off ball makes him a very very valuable 5th, 6th option.

Harrell is a one trick pony. But the saving grace in that is that his one trick is slipping his way to the rim seemingly at ease and LeBron James is the best passer in the world at hitting those types of passes.

Harrell plays hard and he’s aggressive and can be a pest, that’s something the Lakes will appreciate more than a super passive player like Ibaka. But he vastly underperformed defensively last year but in all honesty so did the entire team. They never “turned it on” so perhaps joining the Lakers has him showing improvement on that end... but I’m not optimistic it’ll happen.


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Such an accurate post. It helps that Harrell has a consistent mid range jumper as well, but not hard to see how this move makes the Clips significantly better right here and now and for a much cheaper price

[ojandpizza]

2020 Offseason Thread

I’m interested in what the Clippers do now because both Harrell and Lou seemed to be much more productive when on the floor together, also a big reason the team was so successful the year before as well, even though it killed their defense.

They still have not addressed their giant lack of playmaking and really don’t have what I would call a point guard on the roster as of now. They added Kennard, retained Morris, added Ibaka, I don’t think scoring is going to be an issue for them. I wouldn’t be surprised if they ended up moving Lou in an attempt to land a point guard.


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[ojandpizza]

2020 Offseason Thread

Going to throw out some wayyyy too early off-season grades since we’ve had so much action early.

A+++ - Utah Jazz, Phoenix Suns

I wish Phoenix would have tried to land Dunn to mentor behind CP3 but other than that turning Oubre and Rubio into Chris Paul and Jae Crowder along with hitting on their draft pick makes this a huge off-season for them. Were already scratching on the playoff doors last year, still likely make a couple more additions.

Utah hasn’t done anything earth shattering but bringing back Clarkson was huge for them and the addition of Favors changes the whole dynamic of their bench. They also drafted well and a highly athletic big man is a nice addition to what they already have.

A - Portland, Miami, Hawks, Hornets, 76ers

Covington was an obvious need and upgrade for them but shoring up their bench with Melo, Hood, Kanter, Derrick Jones was a big positive as well. I feel like they have more depth, better defense, more rebounding, more athleticism, and more scoring compared to a year ago.

Miami losing Crowder was a loss, but they absolutely nailed their draft, brought everyone else back, added Harkless and Bradley. I think Bradley is a solid addition to that culture, not sure how much he will play though, but I’m really excited to see Harkless on that team. I thought he looked great before the Clippers shipped him off last year, I still think that trade was a mistake on their part.

Hawks - obviously they’ve made a huge splash. I think Joe Harris would have been their best case addition, but Gallo gives them needed shooting and I think likely a strong 6th man type for them next year. I love the Rondo and Dunn signings, and I feel like they drafted incredibly well too, still have money for another strong piece and assets for a big trade.

Hornets - I actually like the Hayward signing, I think it’s a good fit and given where the team has been and where they are headed I’m not concerned with the price tag. Ball was a good pick but I also really like the Riller pick as well. I think he’s a huge sleeper in the draft and is a very similar player to FVV in my opinion. Richards and Carey Jr. both have lots of promise as well.

76ers - obviously getting out of the Horford contract addressing shooting needs with maybe the best shooter in the league, solid in the draft, and I think the Dwight and Green additions were great for them especially come playoff time.

B - Clippers, Lakers, Bucks, Nets, Boston, Warriors

Clippers - haven’t made much noise and lost one of their most productive players. Adding Ibaka was big for them and should offset some defensive issues from last year, they likely have more moves to come but nothing huge as of yet.

Lakers - Schroder and Harrell are huge from the standpoint of giving them some offense outside of LeBron and AD. They had to get KCP back and did, but really shocked they ****ed up bringing Dwight back, also shocked they didn’t acquire a 2nd round pick and struck out on all cheap vet point guards.

Bucks - adding Jrue was huge, the Bogs trade going south and nearly messing up their cap situation in another singing was not huge.. I really like the signing of Augustine and Portis is a solid addition as well.

Nets - so far they’ve done everything they needed to do. Not much to say, likely making more moves this off-season but I like the depth signing of Jeff Green. I’m always surprised that more teams aren’t chasing him each year.

Boston - Losing Hayward for nothing was a blow and really the only reason they aren’t higher. I like the Thompson addition for them though they are still on the small side with him and Theis. I think Teague is a solid backup for them as well. Adding shooting in the draft.

Warriors - all things considered with Klay I think they did a solid job of not just standing pat and doing nothing. I’m sure they are exploring plenty of trade options but I’m excited to see if playing with a group like that speeds up Wiseman’s growth.

C - this is where I would rank nearly every other team as this stage. Nothing major in a good or bad way for most of them.

D - Chicago

By far the most questionable draft choice. Missed out on all quality signings (they happened fast) and at this point I think Temple is the only addition they’ve made? I thought they were in perfect position to explore all types of trade scenarios and as of now they made virtually zero improvement. I get staying course with their youth and new coaches, etc.. but not doing anything at all to add to it? Scratching my head a little.

F - Detroit, Houston

I have no idea what Detroit is doing. I thought they drafted well, but at this point they need those guys to turn into superstars or this is going to be a loooong stretch of awful basketball for them.

Houston is just a cluster **** at the moment. We’ll see if the trades are coming.


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[Master Live 013]

Re: 2020 Offseason Thread

Clippers don't need a point guard, they got Playoff P!