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  • King_B_Mack
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    • Jan 2009
    • 24450

    #1426
    Re: 2020 Offseason Thread

    Originally posted by ojandpizza
    D - Chicago

    By far the most questionable draft choice. Missed out on all quality signings (they happened fast) and at this point I think Temple is the only addition they’ve made? I thought they were in perfect position to explore all types of trade scenarios and as of now they made virtually zero improvement. I get staying course with their youth and new coaches, etc.. but not doing anything at all to add to it? Scratching my head a little.

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    So having had some time since the draft to do some reading on Williams, listened to some interviews from the prior weeks leading up to the draft from guys who actually watch college ball and saw the kid play, seeing the comps and watching a little video myself, I’m on board with Williams. Draft choice is not questionable at all and the Bulls may walk away from this awful draft with one of if not the steal of the draft. We’ll see how this staff/front office develops him. By all accounts though, he’s a hard worker and he will put in the time.

    From what I’ve been seeing, next years draft is good, so worst case Bulls are high picking in a much better draft.

    I don’t need this year’s team to make the playoffs, although a playoff run would be nice. If this was still the previous front office, then yes they need to show significant improvement to this roster to justify what they’re doing. But a front office that’s been on the job for about 7 or 8 months during a global pandemic without really having meaningful access to the roster they’ve inherited? I’m absolutely okay with this year being a season to get these guys into their development program and actually get their own eyes on this roster from the inside as opposed to watching tape from another team on the outside. If a deal worth while comes along during the course of this, they’ll no doubt pull the trigger if it wows them. We’ll see what else they can add. Once Porter opted into that contract that put the bullet into whatever money they could really spend.

    Only thing I’d like to see now from this team is if we could somehow get GS to give up Wiseman. If that means shipping them Wendell and LaVine and taking back Wiggin’s contract I’d be all for that and go full blown youth movement with Coby, Williams and Wiseman as the untouchable core to build around.


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    • illwill10
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      • Mar 2009
      • 19826

      #1427
      Re: 2020 Offseason Thread

      Originally posted by ojandpizza
      76ers

      76ers - obviously getting out of the Horford contract addressing shooting needs with maybe the best shooter in the league, solid in the draft, and I think the Dwight and Green additions were great for them especially come playoff time.


      Houston is just a cluster **** at the moment. We’ll see if the trades are coming.


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      I liked the moves the 76ers made. Horford being moved helps spacing. Having Ben, Joel, and Al on the court at the same time is a disaster for spacing. They attacked their weakness with shooting. Having Curry and Green on the wings, should really open things up for Ben and Joel. I liked Richardson as a 2 way player, but being the 4th option, he was needed to be a sniper. He isn't a pure shooter. I rather have Curry start over Shake. Curry can play that JJ Reddick role. They have enough defense on the team to hide him. We need Tobias to be a 18+ppg scorer on near 50--40-90 shooting. We need Shake and Maxey to be the primary scorers off bench. We have a chance to be a top 5 defensive team.

      I can't say it makes us a favorite to come out East though. The top 6 in East is very strong(with Indiana being 7). Bucks, Heat, Nets, Raptors, Celtics, and Sixers all have legit chances. I wouldn't say there is a clear favorite though. If Bucks had gotten Bogdan, maybe because Holiday alone is just an upgrade over Bledsoe. For us, it comes down to Ben and Joel. Can they stay healthy? Can they actually play as a team not just for themselves? Can Joel show up in shape? Can Ben be more aggressive on offense? Can Joel bring it every night. Those all have to be answered. For Ben, its not only shooting for me. I mean yeah, if they are giving him wide open looks, then I don't want him to hesitate. I just don't think he isn't aggressive as he can be. It's like he plays more to avoid his weaknesses rather than playing to strengths. He isn't confident with his FT ability, so he doesn't drive as much as he should. Joel has the size and skillset to be an all time great. But he hasn't brought it consistently since his pre-max contract troll days.

      I do think this should be a fun year for the 76ers though


      I think long term it'll be best for Houston to move on from Harden and Westbrook. I don't think they are coming out the west the next 2 years. Having a rookie coach and GM, it's not good to have championship or bust expectations. They're not in situation where they have to trade them. But with both 31, they almost lose leverage as they get to their final years of contract.

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      • bigeastbumrush
        My Momma's Son
        • Feb 2003
        • 19245

        #1428
        Re: 2020 Offseason Thread

        It can’t be understated how terrible a front office the Bucks have. And it has absolutely nothing to do with market size. They are woefully inept.

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        • roadman
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          • Aug 2003
          • 26339

          #1429
          Re: 2020 Offseason Thread

          Originally posted by bigeastbumrush
          It can’t be understated how terrible a front office the Bucks have. And it has absolutely nothing to do with market size. They are woefully inept.

          https://twitter.com/squaresense/stat...739259909?s=21
          No doubt about it.

          They don't have anyone inside that has salary cap experience. Once they handed the reigns to Lasry vs Edens, it's been one misstep after another.

          I won't go there with market size over front office bungles.
          Last edited by roadman; 11-22-2020, 11:51 AM.

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          • ProfessaPackMan
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            • Mar 2008
            • 63852

            #1430
            Re: 2020 Offseason Thread

            PF market dried up real quick I see.
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            • illwill10
              Hall Of Fame
              • Mar 2009
              • 19826

              #1431
              Re: 2020 Offseason Thread

              "Free agent guard Bryn Forbes has agreed to a two-year deal with the Miwaukee Bucks, his agent Mike Lindeman of @excelsm tells ESPN.
              Free agent Harry Giles has agreed to a one-year deal with the Portland Trail Blazers, source tells ESPN."

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              • roadman
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                • Aug 2003
                • 26339

                #1432
                Re: 2020 Offseason Thread

                Originally posted by illwill10
                "Free agent guard Bryn Forbes has agreed to a two-year deal with the Miwaukee Bucks, his agent Mike Lindeman of @excelsm tells ESPN.
                Free agent Harry Giles has agreed to a one-year deal with the Portland Trail Blazers, source tells ESPN."
                Beat me to the punch.

                You must have Woj on speed dial.

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                • Yeah...THAT Guy
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                  • Dec 2006
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                  #1433
                  Re: 2020 Offseason Thread

                  Originally posted by roadman
                  No doubt about it.

                  They don't have anyone inside that has salary cap experience. Once they handed the reigns to Lasry vs Edens, it's been one misstep after another.

                  I won't go there with market size over front office bungles.
                  Horst was our cap guru before he got promoted to GM. Let that sink in.
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                  • illwill10
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                    • Mar 2009
                    • 19826

                    #1434
                    Re: 2020 Offseason Thread

                    Originally posted by ProfessaPackMan
                    PF market dried up real quick I see.
                    Only depth that is left is SG and Center. Not much left over in PG, PF, and SF market. I softened my stance on 76ers getting a backup PG. Only notable PG remaining is Reggie Jackson. And I'm not interested in Austin Rivers. Don't want to see Doc coach his son and son-in-law on the same team lol.
                    There are still good options at SG and Center

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                    • Yeah...THAT Guy
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                      • Dec 2006
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                      #1435
                      Re: 2020 Offseason Thread

                      Originally posted by ojandpizza
                      Going to throw out some wayyyy too early off-season grades since we’ve had so much action early.

                      B - Clippers, Lakers, Bucks, Nets, Boston, Warriors

                      Bucks - adding Jrue was huge, the Bogs trade going south and nearly messing up their cap situation in another singing was not huge.. I really like the signing of Augustine and Portis is a solid addition as well.
                      I would say it's a C at best for the Bucks so far. Really all hinges on if Giannis signs, but I don't really love any of the moves we've made this offseason. I do at least kinda like the two guys we drafted as well as the guy we signed on a two-way deal, but none of those are expected to be of much consequence this season. I suppose one of the rookies could surprise though; the two we drafted are great shooters with super quick releases.

                      Edit: I will say we've rebounded pretty nicely with the Forbes/Craig signings. I was never really worried about our ability to fill out the bench after the Jrue (and the Bogdanovic trade that fell through) trades, but nice to see a more complete picture now. Still all boils down to whether or not Giannis will sign but this team should be elite once again this season. Ton of shooting on the bench and ton of defense in the starting lineup.
                      Last edited by Yeah...THAT Guy; 11-22-2020, 12:37 PM.
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                      • King_B_Mack
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                        • Jan 2009
                        • 24450

                        #1436
                        Re: 2020 Offseason Thread

                        Woj: Donovan Mitchell agrees to a 5 year, $195 million rookie Max

                        Shams: Atlanta is submitting an offer sheet on Bogdan Bogdanovic


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                        • JazzMan
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                          • Feb 2012
                          • 13547

                          #1437
                          Re: 2020 Offseason Thread

                          Let's go Donovan, get that bag

                          Never a doubt at all that we would lock him up long-term. Wonder how Gobert negotiations are going, I reaaaally hope we don't give him the super max
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                          • roadman
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                            • Aug 2003
                            • 26339

                            #1438
                            Re: 2020 Offseason Thread

                            Originally posted by Yeah...THAT Guy
                            Horst was our cap guru before he got promoted to GM. Let that sink in.
                            Exactly, he must be too busy to take on those duties. oy........

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                            • Yeah...THAT Guy
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                              • Dec 2006
                              • 17294

                              #1439
                              Re: 2020 Offseason Thread

                              Bucks signing Torrey Craig to round out the roster. That should pretty much do it for this offseason unless Giannis actually signs or we trade DJ Wilson somewhere.
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                              • georgiafan
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                                • Jul 2002
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                                #1440
                                Re: 2020 Offseason Thread

                                Originally posted by King_B_Mack
                                Woj: Donovan Mitchell agrees to a 5 year, $195 million rookie Max

                                Shams: Atlanta is submitting an offer sheet on Bogdan Bogdanovic


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                                I still don’t Like this move and I hate our offseason overall. I don’t think bogdanvich is any better then Huerter something has to give you can’t give 11 guys playing time.
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