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  • bigeastbumrush
    My Momma's Son
    • Feb 2003
    • 19245

    #406
    Re: NBA Draft 2021

    He didn’t look good at the combine IMO.

    Looked tentative and very average. Nothing like that tournament run. He probably got a mid to late 2nd round grade.

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    • jeebs9
      Fear is the Unknown
      • Oct 2008
      • 47568

      #407
      Re: NBA Draft 2021

      Originally posted by bigeastbumrush
      He didn’t look good at the combine IMO.

      Looked tentative and very average. Nothing like that tournament run. He probably got a mid to late 2nd round grade.
      I mean I get that. I didn't watch too closely. But your probably right. Didn't get the range he was looking for.

      Also...
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      • bigeastbumrush
        My Momma's Son
        • Feb 2003
        • 19245

        #408
        Re: NBA Draft 2021

        Originally posted by Yeah...THAT Guy
        Figured I might as well do my usual pitch for the main international guys.

        The top guy IMO is Alperen Sengun. I'd say he's somewhere in the 6-10 range for me overall in this draft. I think the consensus is generally a late lotto pick. At any rate, he's a big man prospect with as elite an array of post moves as you'll pretty much ever see in a draft prospect. He doesn't have the physical tools to be as good defensively as Brook Lopez, but he has that same knack for playing well in drop coverage, knowing his angles and his body to make the most of the tools that he does have. You won't want him switching onto guards on the perimeter and he's probably going to want to bulk up a bit if he has to deal with the bigger C's in the league, but I think he can be okay in the right schemes. If you want to read a more thorough breakdown of him, here's a link to my earlier post when I went a bit deeper: https://forums.operationsports.com/f...&postcount=316

        Josh Giddey
        18 years old, 6'8" guard (and might potentially still be growing), played one season in Australia and was a triple-double threat every night. Expected to go somewhere in the 5-14 range; not sure I'm that high on him personally. Can make every pass with either hand, he led the NBL in assists this year. Scouts like his finishing ability around the rim and I have no idea what his FG% was at the rim, but he struggled to score in general. I'm not really confident he'll be all that effective at any level scoring the ball. Shoots a set shot and doesn't shoot it well. Pretty awkward getting into his shot as well. He'll probably be picked on defensively barring a change of mentality, but he does have a good nose for the ball both in terms of rebounding and in terms of jumping passing lanes. I don't know...seems like people are really high on his potential, but I see a guy that has great passing ability, but I don't really trust him to be able to create without screens freeing him up, and I don't trust him to ever punish defenses for going under those screens.
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        Usman Garuba
        19 years old, 6'8" F/C, long wingspan. Projected fringe-lottery or mid-1st round. He's been playing for Real Madrid for 4 years now (2 years for their under 18 team and 2 with the senior team). He's a role player/energy guy off the bench for them, playing around 15-20 minutes a game at roughly a 10/10 per 36 rate. Offensively, the only thing that's all that intriguing about him is his passing as a short roller. He hasn't really been all that much of a finisher around the rim and he doesn't look comfortable shooting the ball at all. Defensively, he's generally just a nuisance. Constantly moving his hands, poking at the ball, can hedge and recover or play drop coverage, can hang with most guards on the perimeter. An ideal PF on the defensive end, maybe C but he'll be undersized in some matchups there. Not really all that much more to him IMO. Seems like he's getting compared to Kenneth Faried a lot, but I think he has the potential to be much better defensively than Faried was. I get it though. Watching him kinda makes me think of what Pat Beverley would look like if he was 6'8" instead of being tiny; he's going to annoy opponents if he pans out.

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        Roko Prkacin
        18 years old, 6'9" forward, projected late 1st-early 2nd round and that sounds about right to me. He went pro at 15 I believe and has played a significant amount in Croatia and has been pretty productive. Probably a PF ideally but could theoretically end up at SF as well. He moves pretty well, plays hard, can handle physicality, etc. Seems to just be a smart player; great cutter, good at just moving into open space, knows when to attack quickly but also when it slow it down and patiently read the defense, etc. Flashes of both being a PnR ball-handler as well as the roller; there's some really promising passes in his film but also some where it seems like he just predetermined where he was going to go with the ball. He's generally struggled as a shooter both from 3 point land and the FT line, but is coming off his best season in which he jumped from the 20s from 3 point land up to 35% on 160 attempts. I think it's mostly fine mechanically, though I wouldn't be surprised if his team tries to smooth out the release a little bit and tweak his footwork; there's definitely a small hitch in his release and his feet are pretty inconsistent. I wouldn't count on him developing into a solid shooter but I wouldn't be super shocked either.

        Not sure if he's a draft-and-stash candidate, but I think if I'm an NBA team I'd probably want to bring him over right away and get him working with my own coaches so we can start molding him the way we want immediately.

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        All in all, I like Sengun enough to take him in the back half of the top 10. There's a risk his post game doesn't translate well enough to make him a valuable contributor, but I like the potential there. Not a fan of Giddey where he's being projected. Garuba seems like he's a pretty safe bet to at least stick on team's benches (though theoretically if that's all he turns into, maybe he considers a return overseas). I'd be fine taking him around the middle of the 1st or later and seeing if his offensive game develops to make him into something more valuable. Prkacin is intriguing assuming his draft stock remains around where it is now. He seems versatile enough to fit in pretty much anywhere and it'll be interesting to see what his future team wants him to focus on in his development.

        Yeah,

        Your thoughts on Brenz (I believe that’s his name)?

        He’s working out for the Knicks. 6’10 playmaker. Incredible passer.

        Trying to think of a comp for him.

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        • ehh
          Hall Of Fame
          • Mar 2003
          • 28962

          #409
          Re: NBA Draft 2021

          How do folks feel about Sengun? Seems crazy that some mocks have him in the 6-8 range.
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          • ojandpizza
            Hall Of Fame
            • Apr 2011
            • 29807

            #410
            Re: NBA Draft 2021

            Originally posted by ehh
            How do folks feel about Sengun? Seems crazy that some mocks have him in the 6-8 range.
            He's obviously not quite that athletic but he kinda reminds me a little of Andre Iguodala. Obviously that's just looking at highlights but regardless I love the way he just always seems to find the rim and tries to dunk everything. Aggressive for an 18 year old. Seems to have a jumper too.

            I feel like we see these young, athletic Euro dudes often look like busts though.

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            • J_Posse
              Greatness Personified
              • Jun 2005
              • 11255

              #411
              Re: NBA Draft 2021

              Originally posted by ojandpizza
              He's obviously not quite that athletic but he kinda reminds me a little of Andre Iguodala. Obviously that's just looking at highlights but regardless I love the way he just always seems to find the rim and tries to dunk everything. Aggressive for an 18 year old. Seems to have a jumper too.

              I feel like we see these young, athletic Euro dudes often look like busts though.
              True, cause often times their athletic advantage in Europe doesn't translate to the NBA.

              Still, Sengun seems different in that he has the potential to stretch the floor (81% free-throw shooter) and has great passing skills/instincts (for a 18 yr. old) for a big.

              I see a lot of Domantas in his game and I'm really, really hoping he "falls" to the Spurs at #12.

              My biggest concern is on the defensive end and can he play the 4 in the NBA. I feel like he's little undersized to be a full - time center & doesn't have the wingspan to compensate.

              I think questions about his defensive fit/positioning and lack of an outside game - although, again, he has the potential there - could cause him to fall on draft night. Then (hopefully) the Spurs scoop him up and have their starting PF for the next 6 - 10 years. [emoji1692]

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              • ojandpizza
                Hall Of Fame
                • Apr 2011
                • 29807

                #412
                Re: NBA Draft 2021

                Originally posted by J_Posse
                True, cause often times their athletic advantage in Europe doesn't translate to the NBA.

                Still, Sengun seems different in that he has the potential to stretch the floor (81% free-throw shooter) and has great passing skills/instincts (for a 18 yr. old) for a big.

                I see a lot of Domantas in his game and I'm really, really hoping he "falls" to the Spurs at #12.

                My biggest concern is on the defensive end and can he play the 4 in the NBA. I feel like he's little undersized to be a full - time center & doesn't have the wingspan to compensate.

                I think questions about his defensive fit/positioning and lack of an outside game - although, again, he has the potential there - could cause him to fall on draft night. Then (hopefully) the Spurs scoop him up and have their starting PF for the next 6 - 10 years. [emoji1692]

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                See watching highlights I had no idea he was quite as big as he was and coming into the league as a "big". My comparison above was based on how he penetrates and cuts like he's a wing player. I was thinking Hedo body plays like Iggy/RJ lol.

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                • J_Posse
                  Greatness Personified
                  • Jun 2005
                  • 11255

                  #413
                  Re: NBA Draft 2021

                  Originally posted by ojandpizza
                  See watching highlights I had no idea he was quite as big as he was and coming into the league as a "big". My comparison above was based on how he penetrates and cuts like he's a wing player. I was thinking Hedo body plays like Iggy/RJ lol.
                  He's listed at 6'10" & 243 lbs, so he's a tiny bit bigger than Hedo and doesn't have his handles or perimeter abilities.

                  Hey, if the Spurs get him and he becomes a mix of Domantas & Hedo, then I'd be more than happy.

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                  • jeebs9
                    Fear is the Unknown
                    • Oct 2008
                    • 47568

                    #414
                    Re: NBA Draft 2021

                    Looks like Keldon Johnson is on Team USA. That's a big deal. That "college spot" isn't just some whipping boy.
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                    • ojandpizza
                      Hall Of Fame
                      • Apr 2011
                      • 29807

                      #415
                      Re: NBA Draft 2021

                      Originally posted by J_Posse
                      He's listed at 6'10" & 243 lbs, so he's a tiny bit bigger than Hedo and doesn't have his handles or perimeter abilities.

                      Hey, if the Spurs get him and he becomes a mix of Domantas & Hedo, then I'd be more than happy.

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                      I need to get deeper into some film on him. He seems like a far more perimeter oriented player than Domantas IMO. Saw someone else mention Sabonis, and someone even mention Kanter. Clip I watched I had no idea he was even projected to be a "big man". Dude was filling lanes like a SF lol.

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                      • Yeah...THAT Guy
                        Once in a Lifetime Memory
                        • Dec 2006
                        • 17294

                        #416
                        Re: NBA Draft 2021

                        Originally posted by bigeastbumrush
                        Yeah,

                        Your thoughts on Brenz (I believe that’s his name)?

                        He’s working out for the Knicks. 6’10 playmaker. Incredible passer.

                        Trying to think of a comp for him.
                        Vrenz Bleijenberg I'm guessing? I left him off because it seems like he's generally considered an undrafted or late 2nd round prospect, but he looks intriguing to me. He kinda reminds me of Syracuse's Marek Dolezaj if Dolezaj could shoot. Tall, and super skinny, but he can handle the ball and pass the ball way better than an undrafted 6'10" prospect should be able to.

                        Vrenz' shot percentages don't look impressive at all but his shot looks good to me. Quick release, can shoot it on the move and off the dribble...I think a good shooting coach reduces his lower body twist a little bit and might be able to unlock something there.

                        The concern to me is that he's turning 21 this season and he's still so scrawny/you're really taking a leap of faith that you can turn him into a good shooter. He tries hard on defense but it's not going to be his calling card and across 3 seasons if international play, he shot 33% from 3 and 68% from the FT line, and over 64% of his shots are 3 pointers so he's not doing anything for you inside.
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                        • Yeah...THAT Guy
                          Once in a Lifetime Memory
                          • Dec 2006
                          • 17294

                          #417
                          Re: NBA Draft 2021

                          Originally posted by ojandpizza
                          I need to get deeper into some film on him. He seems like a far more perimeter oriented player than Domantas IMO. Saw someone else mention Sabonis, and someone even mention Kanter. Clip I watched I had no idea he was even projected to be a "big man". Dude was filling lanes like a SF lol.
                          It seems like Sengun has been playing more on the perimeter in the national team games after being mainly a low post guy for his club team but he's definitely more at home in the low post. The array of post moves he has in his bag is insane for anyone, much less someone his age.

                          To me, he's in the mix with Scottie Barnes for the #5 prospect in the draft. I'm not sure how well his game will translate as I think he'll need to develop his jumper and play at least a little more on the perimeter like he's doing with the national team, but he just looks so promising inside. I'd rather take someone like him that dominates adults and see if you can make it work than taking someone like Jonathan Kuminga where he's mostly been bad in the G-League but plays more of an NBA-style game. Sengun is more my kind of gamble in the draft personally.
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                          • ehh
                            Hall Of Fame
                            • Mar 2003
                            • 28962

                            #418
                            Re: NBA Draft 2021

                            The latest draft buzz courtesy of KOC.


                            • Cade is a lock for #1
                            • HOU is leaning towards Jalen Green at #2 (smart).
                            • CLE likely takes Mobley at #3 regardless of what happens with Sexton.
                            • Suggs is a lock for #4.
                            • Things get interesting at 5. Barnes is a possibility. Kuminga may fall a bit.
                            • Bouknight at 6 is a possibility.
                            • Plenty of teams are inquiring about moving up into the Top 5.
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                            • ojandpizza
                              Hall Of Fame
                              • Apr 2011
                              • 29807

                              #419
                              Re: NBA Draft 2021

                              CBS mock has Sacramento taking Boston at 9… lmao does any other mock even have him in the first round? Even if that is the guy that wanted and felt comfortable taking him at 9 they would be stupid to not trade back and just get him later + something else.

                              Speaking of the Kings.. I’m surprised their is no word on some Fox availability after the success of Haliburton. Saw they had interest in Ben but wouldn’t include Fox. I know the Kings are where they are for a reason, but it seems odd there hasn’t been a “will listen to offers” being thrown out there just to see what teams would give up for him.

                              I doubt their future plans are to win a ring starting Haliburton and Fox together in the backcourt.

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                              • bigeastbumrush
                                My Momma's Son
                                • Feb 2003
                                • 19245

                                #420
                                Re: NBA Draft 2021

                                Kings will never win a ring. Sell high on Fox.

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