NBA Draft 2021

[jfsolo]

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If I'm a top tier guard(Beal) who is a poor defender, and who wants to win a championship, I don't want to team up with an even worse defender in the backcourt with me.

[Yeah...THAT Guy]

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Weird coming from you a Bucks fan who drafted Giannis.

Giannis scored at above average efficiency in Greece. He shot 10% better than Kuminga from 3, 16% better from 2, and 8% better from the FT line. Giannis was a good player (granted that league was a trash can) despite only playing basketball for 5 years at the time. Kuminga has been playing his entire life and was legitimately bad in the GLeague, including having the worst win shares number on the entire team (not that win shares are the end all be all by any means but being the worst on your team is obviously not good).

No doubt Giannis was a swing for the fences type of pick, but he was not a "let's plug our noses and take him despite all evidence suggesting he probably won't work out" pick.

[bigeastbumrush]

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Kuminga is this year's guy where I can appreciate the potential, but I would want absolutely no part of being the team that has to try to develop him. Spending a top 5-10 pick on a guy that struggled to score from any level while also not defending or passing it well just isn't the kind of investment I want to be making. Might occasionally miss out on a good player by avoiding those types, but I think it's a losing proposition more often than not.

I do recognize it's a little weirder in this particular case since we don't really have a track record of G-League draft prospects though.

I think he has a much better frame than Green and therefore more defensive potential. I’m also not sold on Green being much more than a chucker. I just don’t see Top 2 pick in Green when there are more polished guys out there like Suggs and Mobley for example.

I see Kuminga as an Iguodala and Green as ironically a Kevin Porter Jr.

[bigeastbumrush]

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I'm so happy I read this.....And then a fellow knick fan came in and shut this down.

DieHard should know much more about prospects because he’s into perpetual tanking.

I just think Kuminga has more upside as a well-rounded player.

[ojandpizza]

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If I'm a top tier guard(Beal) who is a poor defender, and who wants to win a championship, I don't want to team up with an even worse defender in the backcourt with me.

I wouldn't think Beal to be substantially worse than Bogdan or Huerter. In this years playoffs Atlanta was a middle of the pack defense, top 5 in opponent 3pt%, and middle of the pack in point differential. Obviously on paper you don't want Trae and Bogdan or Trae and Beal in this scenario to build a solid defensive team. But they seem to be solid enough as a team, part of why I don't think they should move Capela, and that was without their best perimeter defender in Hunter.

And not that it translates to good defense, but Atlanta seems to do a much better job containing teams than other teams do containing Trae. They seem to do just "enough" defensively to stay in games, and offensively they are one of those teams that just seem to grab pace and momentum right at the end of games. To me Beal just enhances that.

And Beal is in one of those situations, like Dame, where it likely isn't his choice. Not that they wouldn't do him a solid if he had a "list", but I also wouldn't think Atlanta would be off the table for most guys if they watched them this postseason. Their crowd was top tier as well.

[bigeastbumrush]

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Does Beal even have a choice as to where he’d go?

[georgiafan]

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I feel like IF the Bradley Beal rumors come true and he asks out that Atlanta should look at moving Gallo, Bog, Reddish, and whatever picks they want for something like Beal and Bertans.

Gallo's contract only being partially guaranteed helps Washington get off some money as they start up the rebuild. They have a solid, young guy locked up on a very fair deal, and "the next Paul George" they can start to build around.

Atlanta going after Beal is picking up some steam today

[ojandpizza]

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I think he has a much better frame than Green and therefore more defensive potential. I’m also not sold on Green being much more than a chucker. I just don’t see Top 2 pick in Green when there are more polished guys out there like Suggs and Mobley for example.

I see Kuminga as an Iguodala and Green as ironically a Kevin Porter Jr.

I can see this perspective as I can easily see a scenario in which Green is a Jordan Clarkson type of player.

My only concern with Kuminga is that he doesn't look THAT athletic to me. Because of that he seems to play a lot smaller than his 6'8 frame and 6'11 wingspan would suggest. He doesn't even look that big to me anyways. But just doesn't feel nearly as quick or bouncy as a guy like Iggy.

What I do like about Kuminga is he already has solid ball handling and passing ability. But I just see more of a Rudy Gay type without having that extra gear athletically to be someone like Iggy. But Gay came into the league with a refined post game, and was potentially seen to be a great shooter as well even though that never developed. Rudy also just looks bigger to me, even though they are listed as the same height. Rudy does have an extra 4 inches on that wingspan though. So idk where that puts me on Kuminga.

[illwill10]

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Does Beal even have a choice as to where he’d go?

I think it is different from the Ben Simmons and Dame situation where they are starting their 4 year extension this year whereas Beal is a FA after this season. So, it could be the "you can trade for me, but I won't resign with you". Where does a team want to use those assets on someone who will leave the next season. Unless it is a team like Warriors or win now team, most teams might not want to give up the assets necessary for a rental

[jeebs9]

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I'm cutting myself off. This such a BS info. This sounds as bad trading Cam bs

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1419740902810083329?s=20

Like yeah sure [emoji23]

[bigeastbumrush]

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I'm cutting myself off. This such a BS info. This sounds as bad trading Cam bs

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1419740902810083329?s=20

Like yeah sure [emoji23]

Woj used to be better than this.

[ojandpizza]

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If Detroit is torn on who to draft then just let Houston over pay in assets to move up... the ****?

[jfsolo]

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If Detroit is torn on who to draft then just let Houston over pay in assets to move up... the ****?

In this draft, even if I'm not torn, I would probably still let someone overpay, so if they aren't head over heels for Cade, they 100% should get some assets.

[ProfessaPackMan]

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So, it could be the "you can trade for me, but I won't resign with you". Where does a team want to use those assets on someone who will leave the next season. Unless it is a team like Warriors or win now team, most teams might not want to give up the assets necessary for a rental

Teams are gonna shoot their shot regardless of the threat because they’re going to believe that whatever they have can be enough to persuade the player into staying with them, despite not being one of their preferred teams.

[jeebs9]

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Well...

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1419756065625972747?s=19