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  • ojandpizza
    Hall Of Fame
    • Apr 2011
    • 29807

    #526
    NBA Draft 2021

    Man I could even keep going with that nonsense..

    To me my eye test, and even using his steals plus block per 40 test from that video, I see him most directly comparable as a defensive prospect to Chris Bosh. He does a few things differently, he’s slightly more athletic for example, but less of a post presence. He’s a more modern version of him. He gets a 4.3 on that steal and block measurement compared to Bosh 4.1, Bosh actually gets more defensive boards than him lol, scores more, shoots better from 2, from 3, from the FT.

    Chris Bosh had the same “well he blocks a few shots, he’s long and athletic, he moves well” etc where people assumed that could make him a great defender next level as well. But **** nobody was making videos calling him Hakeem smh.. Chris Bosh never once made an All-Defensive team, never became a decent shot blocker.. he played a HUGE role in defending in space for Miami, and should get massive amounts of credit for that, but even that was largely dependent on and only worked because 1.) LeBron switched 1-5, 2.) LeBron was capable of being the teams best rebounder, 3.) Miami was willing to keep guys like Joel Anthony and Birdman on their roster even though they likely wouldn’t play for any other team much less contenders because Chris Bosh couldn’t defend the post or protect the rim. Jaren Jackson has been a better shot blocker with injuries and limited minutes, and forced to play the 4 in a small ball league, for the Grizzlies than Bosh became at any single point of his career. Jackson who also obliterates this dude Mobley in the stat used to label Mobley as an elite defender in this video. Jackson is so far from AD defensively it’s a joke, yet this dude draw a comparison?

    This dude trying to label Mobley as AD based on the reasoning in this video is worse than the people calling Zion LeBron after making 2 bounce passes in the open court..

    Like he’s more mobile than Bosh, than Jackson even, a bit more athletic too, but this “he’s a 7 foot guard” crap is nonsense. His defensive numbers are not off the chart or even close if you pit him against those other guys playing the same minutes, or actually compare him against elite defenders, he doesn’t dominate the glass, he doesn’t shoot well from anywhere, doesn’t pop off the chart as a good scorer - especially for the lengths this guy went to in order to say his teammates were trash, and especially for the minutes he played.

    Jaren Jackson per 40 - 20/11/5.5 blocks 60/40/80% shooting splits

    Mobley per 40 - 19/10/3.4 blocks - 60/30/69% shooting splits

    I agree he’s a better prospect than Jackson, mostly due to athleticism, but he doesn’t look as strong, nearly as good of a perimeter threat as a shooter, or high of a basketball IQ%.. His biggest calling card to being looked as better than Jackson is athleticism, MAYBE his ball handling and stuff but this is a league that likely wants no part of him handling the ball. And it doesn’t look that impressive regardless.. Dude called him Joker with defense SMFH.

    And I can only imagine how silly AD’s numbers would look compared to his if he went somewhere like USC and wasn’t 4th on the team in shot attempts. Completely different stratosphere defensively. 13 boards and 6 blocks per 40 as well.


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    Last edited by ojandpizza; 07-27-2021, 10:40 PM.

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    • Yeah...THAT Guy
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      • Dec 2006
      • 17294

      #527
      Re: NBA Draft 2021

      Originally posted by jeebs9
      Kevin Pelton ranking... Might throw anyone for loop.


      I'm going to list the top 5.
      1Sengun?
      2Cade
      3Green
      4Mobley
      5Giddey?

      Like damn [emoji23]
      That's pretty much exactly what I would have expected his metrics to say to be honest.
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      • Yeah...THAT Guy
        Once in a Lifetime Memory
        • Dec 2006
        • 17294

        #528
        Re: NBA Draft 2021

        Originally posted by ojandpizza
        Very long oj post
        Yeah, that video was more of a hype video to make the case to teams that they should draft his favorite prospect than a legit scouting video.

        I do think it's generally agreed upon that he's an elite defensive prospect and passer/ball-handler for a big man though and those things, coupled with his touch around the rim and mid-range gives him a somewhat reasonable case for being the best prospect in the class.
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        • ojandpizza
          Hall Of Fame
          • Apr 2011
          • 29807

          #529
          Re: NBA Draft 2021

          Originally posted by Yeah...THAT Guy
          Yeah, that video was more of a hype video to make the case to teams that they should draft his favorite prospect than a legit scouting video.

          I do think it's generally agreed upon that he's an elite defensive prospect and passer/ball-handler for a big man though and those things, coupled with his touch around the rim and mid-range gives him a somewhat reasonable case for being the best prospect in the class.

          Don’t disagree, but the case that guy made to try to back that up… Jesus Christ [emoji2359]


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          • ehh
            Hall Of Fame
            • Mar 2003
            • 28962

            #530
            Re: NBA Draft 2021

            Originally posted by ojandpizza
            He later tried to justify this some more by showing A/TO ratio for a crop of bigs trying to justify his playmaking upside for a guy who gets 2 assists a game.. 2 assists, 2.
            I've noticed more and more scouting analysts using A/TO in college to project production in the pros. It's a fad at that moment. Personally I put little stock in it.
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            • ojandpizza
              Hall Of Fame
              • Apr 2011
              • 29807

              #531
              Re: NBA Draft 2021

              Originally posted by ehh
              I've noticed more and more scouting analysts using A/TO in college to project production in the pros. It's a fad at that moment. Personally I put little stock in it.
              I mean I can understand it more for guards, or even to gauge how well it seems like a player can minimize mistakes in general. I think there is some value in having a guy who is high usage but also takes care of the ball.... But for a guy who's getting 2 assists a game, even less if his minutes were comparable to others on that chart, I don' think it holds tons of weight. If this guy doesn't get a Giannis role and become that type of player these "guard skills" are being ridiculously overblown. AD played guard most of his life, is one of the most well rounded guys in the league skill wise and even he only utilizes all that to occasionally bring the ball up or iso his face up game... Dude tried to translate Mobley's to being Joker with elite defense... It was a laughable at best take.

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              • jfsolo
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                • May 2003
                • 12965

                #532
                Re: NBA Draft 2021

                The way OJ is melting down it seems like Mobley should go late second round.
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                • Yeah...THAT Guy
                  Once in a Lifetime Memory
                  • Dec 2006
                  • 17294

                  #533
                  Re: NBA Draft 2021

                  Originally posted by ehh
                  I've noticed more and more scouting analysts using A/TO in college to project production in the pros. It's a fad at that moment. Personally I put little stock in it.
                  I think it just boils down to there not being a really good number to show someone's passing ability, at least not one that is really available for college athletes. Like maybe you could point to Potential Assist numbers but I'm not sure that's something that's tracked outside of the NBA.

                  At any rate, Mobley is undoubtedly a very gifted passer.
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                  • ojandpizza
                    Hall Of Fame
                    • Apr 2011
                    • 29807

                    #534
                    Re: NBA Draft 2021

                    I'm still shaking my damn head at the graphic that only compares his steals + blocks to top 5 picks... Also that strangely leaves off Wiseman and Zion too.

                    Okongwu, Bamba, Cauley-Stein would all have years above him if that was expanded to top 10 picks, probably more guys expanding to lottery or first round picks in general. Zion is above him too, technically he's not as much of a "big" but both guys seem to naturally be more of a 4 in the league so it seems at least somewhat relevant.

                    Wiseman, Hayes, Zach Collins, Drummond and I'm sure a chunk of others pass him up if you use per 40 minutes. Lots of these guys, especially those playing at bigger schools, played 25 minutes or less compared to his 34.

                    I'll give him some props for the doing it all without fouling bit.. But **** John Henson did the same thing and has basically the same defensive profile as a Sophomore compared to Mobley last year and yet another guy who did it with 8-10 less minutes.

                    I ran a query for guys who had played 20+ minutes and posted 18+ DRB%, 8+ BLK%, 1+ STL% like Mobley last year and there were far too many, literally hundreds. Even just looking at those main 5 conferences was too many guys. But even just a guy like Henson mentioned above as a Sophomore is more of a defensive outlier than Mobley.

                    Henson: 25 DRB%, 1.2 STL%, 11.6 BLK%
                    Mobley: 19 DRB%, 1.4 STL%, 8.8 BLK%

                    Henson was better as a freshman too, but only started 11 games and played 16 minutes so I figured the sample size was too skewed.
                    Last edited by ojandpizza; 07-28-2021, 11:53 AM.

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                    • ojandpizza
                      Hall Of Fame
                      • Apr 2011
                      • 29807

                      #535
                      Re: NBA Draft 2021

                      Originally posted by jfsolo
                      The way OJ is melting down it seems like Mobley should go late second round.
                      Not at all, I don't even disagree with the notion that he might be the best prospect in the draft. Wouldn't call it crazy for him to go 1st. Actually with already having Bey and Hayes I even think he should be a consideration for Detroit at 1..

                      It's just that video was so horrible. I'm not bagging on Mobley, I'm bagging on the dude who made the video. And The Ringer for letting it hit their YouTube channel. Every statement he made was followed by an explanation that either had zero correlation or just showed us basically nothing. Or it was some super extreme hyperbolic comparison like calling him Joker with elite defense.
                      Last edited by ojandpizza; 07-28-2021, 11:30 AM.

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                      • cima
                        Hall Of Fame
                        • Sep 2004
                        • 13478

                        #536
                        Re: NBA Draft 2021

                        Originally posted by jfsolo
                        The way OJ is melting down it seems like Mobley should go late second round.
                        He should be banned for that atrocious avatar

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                        • Majingir
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                          • Apr 2005
                          • 47632

                          #537
                          Re: NBA Draft 2021

                          Supposedly Cavs would turn down SGA + 6 for the 3.

                          That sounds ridiculous to me. With the Raptors at 4, I would happily take SGA for the 4 straight up. That deal for Cavs is basically Mobley for SGA and Kuminga.

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                          • ojandpizza
                            Hall Of Fame
                            • Apr 2011
                            • 29807

                            #538
                            Re: NBA Draft 2021

                            Originally posted by cima
                            He should be banned for that atrocious avatar

                            Some artist made a few of them.. I thought they were pretty cool.





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                            • ProfessaPackMan
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                              • Mar 2008
                              • 63852

                              #539
                              Re: NBA Draft 2021

                              Ian Begley reporting that the Nets could use guys like DeAndre Jordan, Landry Shamet and some of their extra picks to move up a few spots in the draft.

                              The Dallas Mavericks and Los Angeles Lakers are among the teams interested in trading for Brooklyn’s Landry Shamet ahead of the draft, per SNY sources.


                              SN: OJ, where’d you find those pictures at? I like what I’m seeing from the ones you posted and I’m hoping he has more.
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                              • ojandpizza
                                Hall Of Fame
                                • Apr 2011
                                • 29807

                                #540
                                Re: NBA Draft 2021

                                Originally posted by ProfessaPackMan
                                Ian Begley reporting that the Nets could use guys like DeAndre Jordan, Landry Shamet and some of their extra picks to move up a few spots in the draft.

                                The Dallas Mavericks and Los Angeles Lakers are among the teams interested in trading for Brooklyn’s Landry Shamet ahead of the draft, per SNY sources.


                                SN: OJ, where’d you find those pictures at? I like what I’m seeing from the ones you posted and I’m hoping he has more.
                                All I could find was his IG page. But he has a lot of them on there. Those two were from some other post and the only 2 that I saved.

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