2020-21 Transaction Thread

[georgiafan]

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Woj says the Lakers are a sleeper team in the talks for Lowry.


Raptors aren't contending, Lowry is aging. Could KCP + Schroder + THT get it done?

I wouldn't be trading youth if I am LA for a 35 year old

[ProfessaPackMan]

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I still don’t understand how his value is supposedly that high as far as return, especially for a 35 y/o PG

[cima]

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Lowry fits LeBron's timeline so the deal makes sense to me. I've seen enough of Schroder that I wouldn't wanna pay him $20 million/year. KCP is extremely expendable and THT's future looks bright but there's no guarantee he develops into a star so might as well just try to win now especially with BK trying to hoard their own Avengers ensemble.

[ojandpizza]

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Lakers have said they don't want to move THT or their first, and if both Bron and AD both don't come back at 100% they likely don't have a shot at winning this year regardless so why would they make that trade? Even if they do how does Lowry get you closer to a ring than having all of Schroder, KCP, THT?

The only way a trade like that makes sense to me is if it's KCP, Schroder, and Trez, and a third team is added to give them back more than just Lowry, on top of the Lakers knowing for a fact they were going to hit in the buyout market with guys like Drummond/Aldridge.

Even then they were only like 3 or 4 games out from first place with Utah when Bron went down. That's with AD missing however many games at that point. Do you blow up a team that just won a ring and was back to fighting for the number 1 spot for Kyle Lowry who turns 35 tomorrow? IDK about that.

[ProfessaPackMan]

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Lakers have said they don't want to move THT or their first, and if both Bron and AD both don't come back at 100% they likely don't have a shot at winning this year regardless so why would they make that trade? Even if they do how does Lowry get you closer to a ring than having all of Schroder, KCP, THT?

The only way a trade like that makes sense to me is if it's KCP, Schroder, and Trez, and a third team is added to give them back more than just Lowry, on top of the Lakers knowing for a fact they were going to hit in the buyout market with guys like Drummond/Aldridge.

Even then they were only like 3 or 4 games out from first place with Utah when Bron went down. That's with AD missing however many games at that point. Do you blow up a team that just won a ring and was back to fighting for the number 1 spot for Kyle Lowry who turns 35 tomorrow? IDK about that.

Not to mention, if you trade for him, you’re going to be giving him a new contract in FA. And unless you’re able to get him for under $20 Mil or it’s just a one year deal, why would you make that investment in him?

Better off waiting until the offseason and trying to sign him outright instead of giving up multiple players for him at this point.

[BleacherBum2310]

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that just screams leverage and being used for interest. Philly should be going all in for Lowry though. Lowry is really really good.

[ojandpizza]

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Not to mention, if you trade for him, you’re going to be giving him a new contract in FA. And unless you’re able to get him for under $20 Mil or it’s just a one year deal, why would you make that investment in him?

Better off waiting until the offseason and trying to sign him outright instead of giving up multiple players for him at this point.

I don't think they could sign him outright and that would really be the only benefit to the trade. Him taking 10-15 mil or so because of his age to resign with bird rights rather than paying Schroder 20+. Still though giving up that much for him just to maybe save a few bucks doesn't seem like something the Lakers of all teams would be too worried about.

And maybe there is some crazy off the wall scenario where DeRozan is getting a buyout and wants to go play in LA with his buddy Lowry.. I find that incredibly unlikely but that's the only type of wild scenario I can think of that makes that trade worthwhile.

Like I said before though if the Lakers know they are getting Drummond or Aldridge or some combination of guys in the buyout market and that trade is Schroder/Harrell/KCP for Lowry + a 3rd teams offer... Hornets supposedly called about Trez, if they tossed out Graham, Bridges or something like that and the Lakers flipped those 3 guys into Graham, Bridges, Lowry, Drummond or something, that at least makes a little more sense.

Trading the best 3 guards away for just Lowry because his timeline fits LeBron but you're left with starting Matthews and having Caruso as the full time back up pg AND sg doesn't make them any better at all IMO.

[ProfessaPackMan]

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that just screams leverage and being used for interest. Philly should be going all in for Lowry though. Lowry is really really good.

Is he really really good based on his play this year or from what he’s done in years past?

[ojandpizza]

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I'm not surprised at all by the Lakers shopping guys, they likely cannot bring back Trez, KCP has been awful, and Schroder is looking to cost them more than he's worth.. It does make sense for them to try and get a guy or two that they could retain after this year on a longer term deal or by acquiring their bird rights. But all three guys for 1 player isn't a Lowry move, that's a Beal move and not that either side would do that but you don't gut your roster for anything but a star IMO.

Keep in mind the Lakers already have two roster spots to fill, a 3 players for 1 trade leaves them with 2 more, and Dudley is likely out for the year so that's 4-5 empty spots all to be filled with minimum deals buyout candidates, free agents, G league call-ups. I doubt that's the road they want to go down.

[ojandpizza]

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Is he really really good based on his play this year or from what he’s done in years past?

I think he's a great get for a team like Philly because he's a guy that has the playoff experience and I believe has the leadership qualities I would want on a playoff team. He's been better in years past but still a guy who's hitting nearly 40% from 3, playing solid defense, and is a good floor general, also still getting you 18 and 7 which I didn't even realize his numbers were still that high..

I get that typically you wouldn't give up lots of players for a guy his age, but Philly could get him (at least match money) without trading any of Simmons, Embiid, Curry, Harris, Dwight, Shake, Maxey, Thybulle, Korkmz, if you add Lowry to that group and the fit works I think they could realistically be title favorites.

It would take a lot of guys, Green, Scott, Ferguson, Bradley to match money, likely a first maybe even two or a couple swaps to make them take the trade, but Scott isn't a huge part of their rotation, Ferguson hardly plays at all, and Bradley has played sparingly but pretty decent with Embiid out, still he would be behind Embiid and Dwight in their playoff rotation. So it's basically Danny Green and their 10th, 11th, and 15th men on the roster for an All-Star caliber PG..

I would do it in their particular circumstance just because the window to win is so small. Lowry, Curry, Simmons, Harris, Embiid, with Shake, Thybulle, Korkmaz, Dwight, Maxey still on the bench would be pretty solid. They would really be missing a back up 4 type of guy but not so badly that the free-agent or buy-out market wouldn't have somebody they could use for 8-10 minutes in the playoffs. Signing guys like Jordan Bell and DeMarre Carroll make that move worth it to me.

[ProfessaPackMan]

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Woj and Lowe both think it’s more likely Redick gets bought out in NO and ends up a Net and that Drummond will end up in LA since he could start right away and will get more minutes there than he would here.

[illwill10]

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that just screams leverage and being used for interest. Philly should be going all in for Lowry though. Lowry is really really good.

I like Lowry, but I rather just attack the bench. I get going all in this year, but not too high on giving up 4 players for 1 and banking on buyouts. Our biggest weakness is bench. Lowry improves our starting lineup and gives us the shot creator/true PG we need, but we weaken our bench even more with that trade.
I rather go after George Hill and a Stretch Big.

[cima]

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Lakers have said they don't want to move THT or their first, and if both Bron and AD both don't come back at 100% they likely don't have a shot at winning this year regardless so why would they make that trade? Even if they do how does Lowry get you closer to a ring than having all of Schroder, KCP, THT?

The only way a trade like that makes sense to me is if it's KCP, Schroder, and Trez, and a third team is added to give them back more than just Lowry, on top of the Lakers knowing for a fact they were going to hit in the buyout market with guys like Drummond/Aldridge.

Even then they were only like 3 or 4 games out from first place with Utah when Bron went down. That's with AD missing however many games at that point. Do you blow up a team that just won a ring and was back to fighting for the number 1 spot for Kyle Lowry who turns 35 tomorrow? IDK about that.

LeBron is 36, you have to go all-in every year he's on your team, as has been the case since his return to Cleveland, save for his first year as a Laker.

They are in hard-cap hell with little flexibility in the long-term anyway. I love AD but I just don't see him as a #1 guy leading the Lakers to a title post-LeBron, especially if Schroder is his #2. I expect the team to look different every year while LeBron is on the team because that's just the reality of their cap situation.

[ojandpizza]

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LeBron is 36, you have to go all-in every year he's on your team, as has been the case since his return to Cleveland, save for his first year as a Laker.

They are in hard-cap hell with little flexibility in the long-term anyway. I love AD but I just don't see him as a #1 guy leading the Lakers to a title post-LeBron, especially if Schroder is his #2. I expect the team to look different every year while LeBron is on the team because that's just the reality of their cap situation.

I don't necessarily disagree overall, but in this particular instance is starting Lowry and Wes and losing THT off the bench really going "all-in" as opposed to starting Schroder and KCP with Wes and THT both still on the bench not going all-in??? I just don't see where this makes them substantially better this year or in the short term they are still competing with Bron and AD. And I don't see what players they are getting to replace the holes left in a 3 for 1 type of trade that only lands them a 35 year old Lowry. They already have 2 empty spots to fill as is.

Still makes more sense to me to keep THT in place of Trez and use him to drive up the money enough to get 2-3 guys back from Toronto + a third team.

Charlotte supposedly reached out about Trez, Chicago has benched White and Carter and also put Lauri in trade talks and believe they are a vet or two away from being a playoff team, Detroit would likely entertain trade talks for Tez, Cavs and Magic are dealing, they have to add a 3rd team in this scenario.

[ojandpizza]

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I don't necessarily disagree overall, but in this particular instance is starting Lowry and Wes and losing THT off the bench really going "all-in" as opposed to starting Schroder and KCP with Wes and THT both still on the bench not going all-in??? I just don't see where this makes them substantially better this year or in the short term they are still competing with Bron and AD. And I don't see what players they are getting to replace the holes left in a 3 for 1 type of trade that only lands them a 35 year old Lowry. They already have 2 empty spots to fill as is.

Still makes more sense to me to keep THT in place of Trez and use him to drive up the money enough to get 2-3 guys back from Toronto + a third team.

Charlotte supposedly reached out about Trez, Chicago has benched White and Carter and also put Lauri in trade talks and believe they are a vet or two away from being a playoff team, Detroit would likely entertain trade talks for Tez, Cavs and Magic are dealing, they have to add a 3rd team in this scenario.

LeBron is 36, you have to go all-in every year he's on your team, as has been the case since his return to Cleveland, save for his first year as a Laker.

They are in hard-cap hell with little flexibility in the long-term anyway. I love AD but I just don't see him as a #1 guy leading the Lakers to a title post-LeBron, especially if Schroder is his #2. I expect the team to look different every year while LeBron is on the team because that's just the reality of their cap situation.

Hell even if they can't get a 3rd team I would rather them swap THT for Trez and get back Lowry and Powell in that trade than 3 for 1 for just Lowry, and then Drummond + whatever in the buyout market.