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I do hope that isnt true just because how sensitive that seems. He's pretty much saying get my clients out of there because they called Ben Simmons out in the post game because he was scared of the moment. If he's going to stoop to that level, then he's also saying he doesn't want any of his clients to go to Philly as well. That sounds Paul is saying "might as well include Maxey in the talks as well. " How is he going to tell Maxey to not do Charity events.
Maxey is a shoe-in to start if he isn't included a deal, so no incentive to want to leave. And he was the first pick for Morey since 2015 and seems to be a good pick. He's only going to include Maxey and Ben in a Dame or Beal deal.Comment
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Philly definitely overplayed their hand in trying to get the moon and the stars for Ben and honestly I don't know why they think a Dame deal is ideal for them either. If Portland finally get's to the point that they'll pull the trigger on moving Dame, what are they really getting back from Philly that makes it worth their while to go there. If you're moving Dame you're going into full on rebuild mode. What good does it really do you to take back Ben and what exactly? Wouldn't Philly want to hold on to Thybulle or Maxey? At least one of them would have to also go in that move considering the draft picks they'd be sending back would be back of the 1st round picks with Dame and Joel leading the team to at least a 3 seed in the east. Rebuilding teams need draft picks more than anything.Comment
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I’ve not seen anyone even mention this as a possibility, but I think Atlanta makes sense for Ben. The package could be built around people like Cam, Gallo, and Bogdan. Him making so much $ could be a issue as the others on the team have got paid. If 1st round picks are needed Atlanta as all of them. The cam trade rumblings are still going around. I like the pairing with him and Trae as they are so opposites and Trae is also a klutz has member.Retro Redemption - Starting over with a oldschool PowerBone Offense
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What about this? With the Maxey rumors maybe he makes more sense than Shake. But that’s pretty solid for all parts involved.
Philly doesn’t exactly get back a “star” but they do need shooting and Hield fits that, and if the plan was always going to be starting Maxey or Shake when they moved Ben then Haliburton is an upgrade for a true lead guard.
Sacramento wouldn’t want to lose Haliburton, I would assume they at least get 1 pick back from somebody for doing this trade, but if they get back Maxey instead of Shake a future backcourt with Fox/Mitchell/Maxey is still really good. Assuming they would start something like Fox/Maxey/Wiggins/Barnes/Wiseman, which is Wiseman develops as expected is pretty damn good in the present and going forward.
Golden State obviously wants Ben, but the idea of sending Wiggins, Wiseman, this years picks and future picks was always far too high of a demand. Keeping future picks and getting Bagley back as compensation for giving up Wiseman evens things out for them. I like this trade most for them, I feel like Bagley would actually flourish there. He already has the perimeter oriented game they hope Wiseman can develop.
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IMO Morey has to abandon the idea of getting a haul/dominating the trade in the court of public opinion, that time has past. The best option for them now is to try and build a Bucks like team around Embiid. Get the new guys in and let them start building chemistry with the players who remain. The idea should be to have a squad that may only able to get the 3 seed in the regular season but has the chance with the right personnel to overachieve in the Playoffs.Jordan Mychal Lemos
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Seems like a one-sided deal for Atlanta. The best asset in that deal is betting on the upside of Cam. That would at best strengthen the bench.
I just don't want to see a settle type of deal. Where it's D-Lo/Beasley, Brodgon/Lamb, Hield/Bagley settle deal. You can knock off a few teams. I think Cavs aren't realistic anymore. With Lauri-Allen-Mobley, it doesn't make sense to go after Ben. Same goes with Pacers, I wouldn't want to see a lineup with three 6'10+ players with only one as a decent floor spacer.
No matter the deal, they need either a starting or backup PGComment
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Considering where the team would be if Simmons actually goes through with no reporting to camp, a deal with the Hawks wouldn't be the worst outcome.OSHA Inspector for the NBA.Comment
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I wouldn't mind that deal. For me, it wasn't Dame or bust, it was just not taking pennies on the dollar. I think the whole Harden/star deal package, was a way to say they weren't just giving him away. Kings are tough because they want to win, but I think at best they are a play-in team. I actually think it would be smart for Kings to rather give Fox than Haliburton. Haliburton is a fit alongside either Fox or Mitchell, not sure if Fox and Mitchell are a great backcourt pairing. I'm all for moving on from Shake. I wouldn't mind a Haliburton-Maxey starting backcourt and moving Curry to 6th man.
What about this? With the Maxey rumors maybe he makes more sense than Shake. But that’s pretty solid for all parts involved.
Philly doesn’t exactly get back a “star” but they do need shooting and Hield fits that, and if the plan was always going to be starting Maxey or Shake when they moved Ben then Haliburton is an upgrade for a true lead guard.
Sacramento wouldn’t want to lose Haliburton, I would assume they at least get 1 pick back from somebody for doing this trade, but if they get back Maxey instead of Shake a future backcourt with Fox/Mitchell/Maxey is still really good. Assuming they would start something like Fox/Maxey/Wiggins/Barnes/Wiseman, which is Wiseman develops as expected is pretty damn good in the present and going forward.
Golden State obviously wants Ben, but the idea of sending Wiggins, Wiseman, this years picks and future picks was always far too high of a demand. Keeping future picks and getting Bagley back as compensation for giving up Wiseman evens things out for them. I like this trade most for them, I feel like Bagley would actually flourish there. He already has the perimeter oriented game they hope Wiseman can develop.
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I wouldn't mind a Bucks type roster construction. I just don't want to trust in Harris as the #2. I do think Curry getting Covid did effect him in season, but he did get better in playoffs. But, if they can be a scoring by committee behind Joel and Harris, I would take that. I wouldn't mind a deal where it adds shooting and at same time improves the bench. Assuming Maxey is starting PG, bench is still a major issue. Milton-Matisse-Furkan-Niang-Drummond isn't a enough. I wouldn't mind strengthening our bench in a deal, that also brings in a win now playerComment
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I think we all agree Beal / dame will not be traded before the season started. This could go south quickly if he does come out and demand a trade in public
Atlanta could make a offer that would top anything from the likes of wolves / king /warriors. When you factor in philly wanting to get players to win now and some draft picks. The warriors rookies aren’t going to help philly this year.
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What about this? With the Maxey rumors maybe he makes more sense than Shake. But that’s pretty solid for all parts involved.
Philly doesn’t exactly get back a “star” but they do need shooting and Hield fits that, and if the plan was always going to be starting Maxey or Shake when they moved Ben then Haliburton is an upgrade for a true lead guard.
Sacramento wouldn’t want to lose Haliburton, I would assume they at least get 1 pick back from somebody for doing this trade, but if they get back Maxey instead of Shake a future backcourt with Fox/Mitchell/Maxey is still really good. Assuming they would start something like Fox/Maxey/Wiggins/Barnes/Wiseman, which is Wiseman develops as expected is pretty damn good in the present and going forward.
Golden State obviously wants Ben, but the idea of sending Wiggins, Wiseman, this years picks and future picks was always far too high of a demand. Keeping future picks and getting Bagley back as compensation for giving up Wiseman evens things out for them. I like this trade most for them, I feel like Bagley would actually flourish there. He already has the perimeter oriented game they hope Wiseman can develop.
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Where do you get GSW wanting Ben?
Unless they have a plan to move on from Draymond then it’s redundancy.
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I do think Hield/Bagley is better than Kuz/KCP type deals we would see in proposed Lakers star deals in the past lol. A Hield/Bagley deal only makes sense now is if you're swapping bad contracts to find a better fit or you don't want to lose a impending FA for nothing. I'd probably do a Tobias Harris for Hield/Bagley thoughComment
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Depending on what “rumors” are true and what aren’t NBA radio has talked on it a ton pretty much since off-season started. Supposedly management, staff, etc is basically split on the decision to go for Ben or not, based on fit.. But supposedly talks have been ongoing this whole time. Think we even had “leaks” claiming what Philly would demand from them in return.
Personally I don’t think he has to run point. He can pretty much guard 1-5 as is, and play either forward spot offensively. I think people get too caught up with what Ben can’t do vs what he can. Golden State would have no spacing issues with Steph, Klay, Bagley on the floor. Giannis just got it done shooting 18% from deep and setting world records for air-balled free throws. I know Ben’s issues a differently entirely because it seems there is a mental block, but I truly don’t believe that is going to exist forever with no change, and what better place to “fix” those issues than somewhere like Golden State.
Regardless I think Ben flourishes anywhere he isn’t forced to play with a big man taking up his driving lanes. And having to slow his game down to run offenses through Embiid. He needs things opened up for him. He wouldn’t run point for Golden State, but he would for sure have the green light to push pace off rebounds like Giannis, and likely do it at a higher clip than Draymond.
There is a bit of redundancy in their strengths, but there is not such thing as redundancy in becoming a better defensive, rebounding, passing, and transition scoring team overall. I feel like that same redundancy would also prolong Steph and Klay (probably the teams thought as well) because realistically if Draymond slips from being an elite defender as he ages he’s the weak link on that team. Baring injury Steph and Klay can play Reggie ball until they are 40.
Most of those Golden State death line-ups also featured Draymond as a small 5, and after adding Bjelica, Iggy, Porter Jr, they would have plenty of floor spacing options to plug at that 4 spot in that line-up. If Dray is playing as a top of the key passing 5, with Steph and Klay running off 10 screens, Bjelica spacing for 3, you’ve got Ben and an open lane. Not sure there is a better player attacking with no help other than Giannis and maybe still Bron.
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