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  • J_Posse
    Greatness Personified
    • Jun 2005
    • 11255

    #1591
    Re: 2021 Offseason Thread

    Originally posted by ojandpizza
    I mean it's obvious he isn't going to work with Minny, they've traded him now so there is no arguing that anyways. But to say he didn't work out because he was a bust for them, idk about that. After drafting him they acquired DLo and Beasley, so his role was already going to take a big hit compared to his expectation on draft night for a couple of years regardless. Then they land number 1 and take Edwards. Is he a bust for having more ready to contribute guys, and a number 1 pick, ahead of him at that point?

    Like is Mo Bamba a bust already because he was playing behind Vuc these past couple of years? If Okongwu doesn't see much time again next year because of Capela and Collins is he then a bust too? If Toppin doesn't play much behind Randle? And so on...

    It's not like he was there 5 years with tons of chances to showcase he wasn't a bust. Just 7 games into his rookie year Minnesota decided to start him, found his groove by the end of December when they started playing him 30+ minutes a night. Had an 11 game run scoring double digits averaging 16/5/2 over that stretch. I know he was somewhat worth mentioning because Jeebs was in here talking about him and Wiggins back then. Just a few games later trade for DLo and Beasley, then covid ended the season, then they draft Edwards, then he gets hurt. And now he's a bust?
    His numbers are/were pedestrian and he wasn't moving the needle on a porous team, period.

    There is context and circumstance behind every player in the NBA (success or failure), so not sure why that is necessarily needed.

    Plus, you compared a top 10 pick, 20 - year old (rookie) to a bunch of mid to late - first round picks.

    Again, I didn't say that Culver will be unable to turning things around (much too early for that talk) but he was a bust for Minnesota.

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    • J_Posse
      Greatness Personified
      • Jun 2005
      • 11255

      #1592
      Re: 2021 Offseason Thread

      And, yes, in our microwave, immediate results (sports) culture a guy can be labeled a "bust" even after one season.

      That doesn't make it true, but is just the nature of our reactionary (especially online) culture.

      For example, on the Spurs Luka Samanic has been given little opportunity through his first two years and has shown only flashes of being a NBA talent.

      He went in the same draft as Culver (13 spots after him), and is already considered a bust in some Spurs circles. He is also looking like the "odd man out" if any or all of McDormett, Aminu and/or Young remain on the Spurs all season.

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      • King_B_Mack
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        • Jan 2009
        • 24450

        #1593
        Re: 2021 Offseason Thread

        Anybody heard anything about Paul Milsap and/or Patrick Patterson? Bulls have 3 open roster spots still and I wouldn't mind seeing one of those guys filling one of those spots for some depth at that 4 spot.

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        • J_Posse
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          • Jun 2005
          • 11255

          #1594
          Re: 2021 Offseason Thread

          Originally posted by King_B_Mack
          Anybody heard anything about Paul Milsap and/or Patrick Patterson? Bulls have 3 open roster spots still and I wouldn't mind seeing one of those guys filling one of those spots for some depth at that 4 spot.
          Isn't Pat Patterson more of a 5 these days? And truthfully, how much does the guy have left in the tank?

          Millsap would be a solid pick up, though.

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          • ProfessaPackMan
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            • Mar 2008
            • 63852

            #1595
            Re: 2021 Offseason Thread

            Originally posted by J_Posse
            And, yes, in our microwave, immediate results (sports) culture a guy can be labeled a "bust" even after one season.

            That doesn't make it true, but is just the nature of our reactionary (especially online) culture.
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            That doesn’t mean that you HAVE to contribute to that very culture though, especially if you know it’s wrong. Lack of context/nuance is a big reason why the culture is so toxic and why certain idiots have louder microphones to spew their BS while the logical folks get pushed to the sideline. Luckily #onhere, I don’t have to worry about that for the most part.

            It cracked me up to see people this past season all of a sudden hop on the Ayton bandwagon and acting surprised at how he played(There we’re plenty of idiots calling him a bust or saying they made the wrong pick instead of just being patient)We can’t preach patience with young players and then turn around and call that player a bust after 10 mins especially if we know that it takes time for guys to develop their game and find their place in the NBA.

            It’s even more evident for guys drafted outside of the Top 5 because most of those guys are pretty much projects anyway for their first few years, compared to guys in the top 5 where most of them are ready to contribute right away.
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            • J_Posse
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              • Jun 2005
              • 11255

              #1596
              Re: 2021 Offseason Thread

              Originally posted by ProfessaPackMan
              That doesn’t mean that you HAVE to contribute to that very culture though, especially if you know it’s wrong. Lack of context/nuance is a big reason why the culture is so toxic and why certain idiots have louder microphones to spew their BS while the logical folks get pushed to the sideline. Luckily #onhere, I don’t have to worry about that for the most part.

              It cracked me up to see people this past season all of a sudden hop on the Ayton bandwagon and acting surprised at how he played(There we’re plenty of idiots calling him a bust or saying they made the wrong pick instead of just being patient)We can’t preach patience with young players and then turn around and call that player a bust after 10 mins especially if we know that it takes time for guys to develop their game and find their place in the NBA.

              It’s even more evident for guys drafted outside of the Top 5 because most of those guys are pretty much projects anyway for their first few years, compared to guys in the top 5 where most of them are ready to contribute right away.
              But I'm not contributing to anything - only stating this here with my OS brethren - and he was a bust in Minnesota which is why he's gone. [emoji38]

              You would think I said the kid was a bum and never deserved to be drafted.

              I didn't. I just said he was a bust (in Minnesota, sorry I wasn't more specific) and is gonna have a hard time finding minutes in Memphis. Especially if he doesn't improve as a perimeter shooter.

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              • jeebs9
                Fear is the Unknown
                • Oct 2008
                • 47568

                #1597
                Re: 2021 Offseason Thread

                Originally posted by King_B_Mack
                Anybody heard anything about Paul Milsap and/or Patrick Patterson? Bulls have 3 open roster spots still and I wouldn't mind seeing one of those guys filling one of those spots for some depth at that 4 spot.
                Fools gold with both of them. I'd wait for the buy out market or develop some young talent. While Milsap is solid defender. His shooting has been terrible. Patrick... I wonder how he's in the league some times. He's stretch 4 who can't hit 3's right now. Especially in the playoffs. I didn't even look up the numbers be it can't be good.

                Looks like Patrick has rumors for the Euro league

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                • King_B_Mack
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                  • Jan 2009
                  • 24450

                  #1598
                  Re: 2021 Offseason Thread

                  Originally posted by jeebs9
                  Fools gold with both of them. I'd wait for the buy out market or develop some young talent. While Milsap is solid defender. His shooting has been terrible. Patrick... I wonder how he's in the league some times. He's stretch 4 who can't hit 3's right now. Especially in the playoffs. I didn't even look up the numbers be it can't be good.

                  Looks like Patrick has rumors for the Euro league

                  Lauri Markkanen is done. Right? He has to stay right?
                  Yeah I'm not looking to bring them in to somehow be difference makers or anything like that. Just someone that can give some decent minutes off the bench to give Pat and Vooch breathers because our bigs are really lacking right now. We're very guard heavy. Milsap is preferred for me if he's gonna be solid on the defensive end. Lord knows we're gonna need some defense from somewhere.

                  But I'm honestly not sure how this Lauri situation is gonna play out. He doesn't want to be here and they really don't want him either. He's in a rough spot because it's so late in the game at this point that all the money has pretty much dried up in the league so the only real team that can get him an offer sheet at this point is OKC unless they've spent the cap space they were sitting on already, I'm not sure I haven't kept up with their moves recently. The Bulls have all the leverage here because any team outside of OKC (who to this point have shown no interest in him) need the Bulls to facilitate a sign-and-trade to get him and the Bulls are gonna make the price high to get that done. Lauri can go ahead and play out the year on his QO which could allow the Bulls to deal him during the season when teams get more itchy around the deadline. But as of right now, the Bulls are in the driver's seat here.

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                  • georgiafan
                    Hall Of Fame
                    • Jul 2002
                    • 11127

                    #1599
                    Re: 2021 Offseason Thread

                    Milsap would be a great addition to any playoff team if for nothing else then his veteran traits he brings to the locker room. It seems like someone would pay him more then the min.
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                    • King_B_Mack
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                      • Jan 2009
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                      #1600
                      Re: 2021 Offseason Thread

                      Originally posted by georgiafan
                      Milsap would be a great addition to any playoff team if for nothing else then his veteran traits he brings to the locker room. It seems like someone would pay him more then the min.


                      Feels like that’s what he’s waiting for, but everybody that I’ve seen that are interested in him don’t have money. This late in the game the money is drying up so not sure why he’s still unsigned.


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                      • illwill10
                        Hall Of Fame
                        • Mar 2009
                        • 19829

                        #1601
                        Re: 2021 Offseason Thread

                        "Charlotte Hornets guard Terry Rozier has agreed to a four-year, $97 million max contract extension, his agent Aaron Turner of @VerusTeam told @TheAthletic @Stadium. The guaranteed deal takes Rozier through the 2025-26 season."

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                        • King_B_Mack
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                          • Jan 2009
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                          #1602
                          Re: 2021 Offseason Thread

                          Not sure I’d want to give Rozier $97 million, but that seems to be the going rate these days


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                          • DamnYanks2
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                            • Jun 2007
                            • 20794

                            #1603
                            Re: 2021 Offseason Thread

                            Originally posted by King_B_Mack
                            Not sure I’d want to give Rozier $97 million, but that seems to be the going rate these days


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                            Especially with Oubre and Bouknight in the fold now.

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                            • bigeastbumrush
                              My Momma's Son
                              • Feb 2003
                              • 19245

                              #1604
                              Re: 2021 Offseason Thread

                              Originally posted by illwill10
                              "Charlotte Hornets guard Terry Rozier has agreed to a four-year, $97 million max contract extension, his agent Aaron Turner of @VerusTeam told @TheAthletic @Stadium. The guaranteed deal takes Rozier through the 2025-26 season."

                              Sheesh

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                              • ProfessaPackMan
                                Bamma
                                • Mar 2008
                                • 63852

                                #1605
                                Re: 2021 Offseason Thread

                                1. What’s Rozier’s annual salary?

                                2. Not surprised to see Milsap still on the market. Always figured he’d get signed closer to Camp. Even with the contending teams, most of them already have what he would bring to the team. I’ll be surprised if he’s not on the roster by the season because that would mean his value has really fallen off.
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