2023 Offseason Thread

[King_B_Mack]

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I gotta say I like the trade for every team. Obviously Milwaukee is the big winner. But Suns got a nice bench out of it. And Portland got a nice return too. I'm not big on Ayton but it's still an upgrade.

Great trade all around.

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I think Portland ends up the big winner when Giannis still leaves in 2 years and they've got 3 unprotected picks heading to the Blazers for 3 straight years.

[ProfessaPackMan]

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^If Giannis is still leaving, then that means the worst case scenario for them happened and it’s probably something that nobody had control over or something unexpected happened.

They are going to have an extremely weak defensive backcourt (Dame and Malik Beasley?), plus a bunch of unknowns playing backup minutes. Yeah, they aren't taking that dramatic of a hit but their defense is gonna have a hard time remaining in the top 5 range (IMO). They could definitely prove me wrong with Giannis, Khris, and Brook (possibly) being able to pick up the slack.

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But if their Defense isn’t Top 5, but still top 10-15ish but they improve their offensive efficiency, then that’s not a bad trade off.

Offense reigns supreme in today’s NBA and good coaching can also mask *most* issues on Defense

[Yeah...THAT Guy]

2023 Offseason Thread

They are going to have an extremely weak defensive backcourt (Dame and Malik Beasley?), plus a bunch of unknowns playing backup minutes. Yeah, they aren't taking that dramatic of a hit but their defense is gonna have a hard time remaining in the top 5 range (IMO). They could definitely prove me wrong with Giannis, Khris, and Brook (possibly) being able to pick up the slack.

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I would be kinda surprised if Beasley is the starter. Kinda wonder if they try to move Middleton back to the 2 and start Crowder.

But maybe more likely they start Pat or Beauchamp who are both substantially better defenders than Beasley and leave him as a flamethrower type off the bench.

Ultimately this move was made for the playoffs. The defense has generally been fine there but the offense, and Jrue in particular, have completely fallen apart there. Lillard should provide a much needed stable offensive threat and someone that can finally take the ball out of Giannis’ hands when he’s losing it.

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[Yeah...THAT Guy]

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I think Portland ends up the big winner when Giannis still leaves in 2 years and they've got 3 unprotected picks heading to the Blazers for 3 straight years.

This feels extremely unlikely to me. Lillard is literally like the only guy Giannis has ever wanted to play with. Him leaving in two years likely means Lillard suffered a career ending type of injury or something.


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[ProfessaPackMan]

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Still a destination team even after the mess from the last year:

https://x.com/marcjspears/status/1707164584132636952?s=46&t=bmmyw4g-qEId3d4KHhv-qw

[Majingir]

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Raptors final offer apparently was Trent, Precious, Gradey, cap fillers and picks.

I'd definitely be fine giving up that for Lillard, which is why the Blazers didn't do it.

[ProfessaPackMan]

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This feels extremely unlikely to me. Lillard is literally like the only guy Giannis has ever wanted to play with. Him leaving in two years likely means Lillard suffered a career ending type of injury or something.


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I’ve noticed with Giannis when he’s opened his mouth and put some pressure on the team, Horst and em have taken big swings and not just stood pat.

And relax everyone, this is not me saying he’s the first, last or only one to do this or that does do this.

[jeebs9]

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Hahaha I just want to warn OS as a group for the up coming season.

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[King_B_Mack]

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This feels extremely unlikely to me. Lillard is literally like the only guy Giannis has ever wanted to play with. Him leaving in two years likely means Lillard suffered a career ending type of injury or something.


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I don't know, Dame has played 87 games in the last 2 years. I wouldn't say career ending type of injury for him, but I'd bet on him being banged up derailing things more than I'd be betting for them to win enough to convince Giannis to stick around long term. I do also think the defense is going to prove to be an issue as well. That and Middleton not being totally reliable.

[J_Posse]

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Raptors final offer apparently was Trent, Precious, Gradey, cap fillers and picks.

I'd definitely be fine giving up that for Lillard, which is why the Blazers didn't do it.

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Masai gonna be eating off that one title forever just like Danny Ainge in Boston.

You can't be serious with that ridiculously bad 'final' offer.

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[ojandpizza]

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I also wonder if Jrue sorta shot himself in the foot in all this too. He recently said he wanted to retire with the Bucks, which is great, but I think it was just last year where he said he didn’t know if he wanted to play past his current contract? Basically he let the Bucks know that despite his loyalty he was leaving them for nothing soon anyways because retirement.. best case scenario was moving him or hoping you could convince him to stay a bit longer on team friendly deals, and with him wanting to hang it up those would likely be 1+1 type of deals with him aging and the Bucks having no way of improving their roster.

Perfect storm of things happened for them here to move him. Before Dame value plummeted it looked like the only realistic Jrue trade might have been Harden, which wasn’t a win for the Bucks considering he likely doesn’t want to be there and his strengths don’t fit the team nearly as well as Dame.

[ojandpizza]

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Masai gonna be eating off that one title forever just like Danny Ainge in Boston.

You can't be serious with that ridiculously bad 'final' offer.

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Time will tell but I don’t really feel like that’s a bad offer given the value, possibly even better than the one the Blazers ultimately accepted with Milwaukee..

Keep in mind they have no use for Jrue, so this deal only becomes as good as whatever they flip him for. He’s older, expensive, and stated he doesn’t want to play much longer. They are flipping him to a contender which most likely means low value young pieces and bad contracts in return.

Even if they didn’t really want Trent Jr the return they could get for flipping him should in theory be better than what they could get for Jrue. His contract is easily movable, he’s only 24. I think Trent Jr could easily start over Simons anyways and still fits their timeline. He’s the same age as Simons.

The haul they accepted only has 1 first round pick.. and it likely sucks if Giannis stays. The others are swaps that likely don’t swap, even if they did it’s not an “extra” pick.

Dick is a lottery pick. Not a lottery pick 6 years from now but one that immediately fits with Scoot. He’s a better “prospect” haul to fit their timeline than anything they got from this deal. And if the trade included other “fillers/picks” without us knowing what those are it’s hard to say, but another first (or more?) on top of that trade instantly makes that trade at least equal if not better..

OG or Siakam pushes that trade over the top, but even as currently constructed I’m not sure what they accepted was better. I’m not sure the Herro and scraps offer was better. I’m not sure a better offer existed, so I wouldn’t blame Masai here. It seems the deal was almost done, tipping point was likely Dame actually having interest in Milwaukee and not something Masai did wrong in negotiations.

[jeebs9]

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I think losing Jrue Holiday is too big of a price in my opinion. Also get this guy on a playoff team.

[ojandpizza]

2023 Offseason Thread

I think losing Jrue Holiday is too big of a price in my opinion. Also get this guy on a playoff team.

It sucks for Jrue but like one of the Bucks guys said above this was pretty much a move for the playoffs. As good as the Bucks have been their playoff struggles are something that might not be going anywhere with no room to upgrade the roster going forward. Especially with these new CBA rules taking effect, they were pretty much peaked.

There was just enough defensive fall off, predictability in a Giannis-led attack, health concerns from Middleton, and offensive inconsistencies from Jrue, all those small things adding up to one big thing seemingly every single year that knocked them down 2-3 notches from regular season production to playoff production. If nothing else this gives them another really dynamic offensive threat that can win you some playoff games, and was possibly the only one they could realistically get.

[J_Posse]

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Time will tell but I don’t really feel like that’s a bad offer given the value, possibly even better than the one the Blazers ultimately accepted with Milwaukee..

Keep in mind they have no use for Jrue, so this deal only becomes as good as whatever they flip him for. He’s older, expensive, and stated he doesn’t want to play much longer. They are flipping him to a contender which most likely means low value young pieces and bad contracts in return.

Even if they didn’t really want Trent Jr the return they could get for flipping him should in theory be better than what they could get for Jrue. His contract is easily movable, he’s only 24. I think Trent Jr could easily start over Simons anyways and still fits their timeline. He’s the same age as Simons.

The haul they accepted only has 1 first round pick.. and it likely sucks if Giannis stays. The others are swaps that likely don’t swap, even if they did it’s not an “extra” pick.

Dick is a lottery pick. Not a lottery pick 6 years from now but one that immediately fits with Scoot. He’s a better “prospect” haul to fit their timeline than anything they got from this deal. And if the trade included other “fillers/picks” without us knowing what those are it’s hard to say, but another first (or more?) on top of that trade instantly makes that trade at least equal if not better..

OG or Siakam pushes that trade over the top, but even as currently constructed I’m not sure what they accepted was better. I’m not sure the Herro and scraps offer was better. I’m not sure a better offer existed, so I wouldn’t blame Masai here. It seems the deal was almost done, tipping point was likely Dame actually having interest in Milwaukee and not something Masai did wrong in negotiations.

Ayton is better than anyone of the players Toronto offered, taking on Trent Jr. would create another logjam at SG, and most the 'filler ' isn't worth ****.

Any trade not involving either OG or Pascal wasn't worth even considering, especially since you can conceivably flip either for far more than Trent Jr. can fetch.

Anyway, it was another case of Masai trying to look like a 'genius' by "winning" the trade. He could've acquired an All-Star caliber PG (who is a big upgrade to VanVleet), while also finally picking a direction, and possibly fully 'unlocking' Scottie Barnes.

Instead, he continues with this same group that is gonna end up a 'treadmill team' soon. Oh well, he got them that one championship that will give him more time than any (championship winning) coach would apparently receive.

His hubris has been hindering him from making needed upgrades for some time now.



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