2023 Offseason Thread

[illwill10]

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Wasn't expecting that. I thought the consensus was that he would sign with Miami or another depending on the Dame trade. He put up empty stats on a bad team. But Philly has a big hole at wing depth and bench scoring, so I like it. Not surprised though. Guys don't want to wait around forever for a potential Dame or Harden trade to happen. Everyone knows about his lack of playmaking, questionable shot efficiency, and defensive effort. But at the very least, he'll bring the wing depth and bench scoring that Philly desperately needed with Niang and Shake Milton gone. He can immediately come in and get Niang's minutes.

He's not a winning player, but for the Vet minimum, he's a low risk-high reward guy

[ProfessaPackMan]

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Oh man, not you buying into that “winning player” mess, lol

(Probably the worst label in NBA Discourse)

[illwill10]

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Oh man, not you buying into that “winning player” mess, lol

(Probably the worst label in NBA Discourse)

Hey, I seen the label given to him by almost everyone that commented on KOJ lol. If he can buy in and play within an offensive structure, then he is a great fit. Outside of Shake(who was forced to play backup PG), Sixers haven't had a bench scorer of his caliber probably since 2017

[ProfessaPackMan]

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My fault, meant to say in general, not with him.

The label in general sucks.

[illwill10]

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My fault, meant to say in general, not with him.

The label in general sucks.

It is a terrible label. It assumes that you know a players mindset, that a player just cares about his stats, doesn't contribute to winning.

I don't have high expectations for KO. But for a guy like that, I do think if he is given a clear concise role, he could.probably thrive. It's easy to label a guy as a bust or non-winning player, when we don't know the context behind it. KO, Ball, and Rozier all averaged 20 ppg, but all 3 were bottom 10 in TS%. I do have more faith that he could be better with Nurse, than Doc. Some guys need the right environment and role like Aandrew Wiggins.

Apparently, there's history between Oubre and Harden, which is why they were probably hesitant on signing Oubre. Long story short, Oubre took Harden's girl and is now married with kids with her.

[Majingir]

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Spears says Raptors the frontrunner for Lillard.

I just don't get how it makes sense.

The Kawhi move was risky especially if he didn't play, but that was an all or nothing reactionary move to being swept again with the same core they had.

The team they have right now are play in contenders.....

Sure, adding Lillard makes them better, but do you really need to go from 9 to 6 or something? If they were a 6 seed, getting Lillard would make them top 3 which is worth it, but doesn't make sense imo where they are in standings.

[georgiafan]

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What’s your best guess on what a trade would look like ?

I don’t see Portland wanting to pay mega $ to pascal and grant

Spears says Raptors the frontrunner for Lillard.

I just don't get how it makes sense.

The Kawhi move was risky especially if he didn't play, but that was an all or nothing reactionary move to being swept again with the same core they had.

The team they have right now are play in contenders.....

Sure, adding Lillard makes them better, but do you really need to go from 9 to 6 or something? If they were a 6 seed, getting Lillard would make them top 3 which is worth it, but doesn't make sense imo where they are in standings.

[Majingir]

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What’s your best guess on what a trade would look like ?



I don’t see Portland wanting to pay megs $ to pascal and grant

Seems like Siakam, Gradey (their 1st round pick this year) gets it done salary wise. Then whatever picks are needed.

What Raptors have proven is that they don't lose deals, even if it means they don't trade a guy at all (VanVleet being a recent example).

So I don't see them dealing with Blazers and suddenly it's a Gobert like return.

The rumor is OG though, which makes matching salaries a bit tougher.

OG, Boucher, Young, Flynn would do it salary wise here.

[J_Posse]

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Seems like Siakam, Gradey (their 1st round pick this year) gets it done salary wise. Then whatever picks are needed.

What Raptors have proven is that they don't lose deals, even if it means they don't trade a guy at all (VanVleet being a recent example).

So I don't see them dealing with Blazers and suddenly it's a Gobert like return.

The rumor is OG though, which makes matching salaries a bit tougher.

OG, Boucher, Young, Flynn would do it salary wise here.

The first package of Siakam/Dick is much better than that second suggested trade. Plus, you'd probably need to add less draft capital with the former to get it done.

And as crazy as it sounds, gaining Lillard but having to lose OG seems like a lateral move. You lose your best perimeter defender, who is also a high quality starting SF and still have the issue of figuring out how to play Pascal & Scottie Barnes together.

I don't think every trade should be looked at as trying to 'win' them (you can't), but I guess that Kawhi trade really gassed up Masai's head.

Re-routing Pascal or moving Grant's terrible deal should be next on the docket for Portland (if this trade goes through).

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[Majingir]

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The first package of Siakam/Dick is much better than that second suggested trade. Plus, you'd probably need to add less draft capital with the former to get it done.

And as crazy as it sounds, gaining Lillard but having to lose OG seems like a lateral move. You lose your best perimeter defender, who is also a high quality starting SF and still have the issue of figuring out how to play Pascal & Scottie Barnes together.

I don't think every trade should be looked at as trying to 'win' them (you can't), but I guess that Kawhi trade really gassed up Masai's head.

Re-routing Pascal or moving Grant's terrible deal should be next on the docket for Portland (if this trade goes through).

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First deal is probably more what Blazers want, maybe Barnes and cap fillers instead of Siakam.

Second deal I could see Raptors wanting more of if they're not giving up much draft picks, which could probably be a holdup too in any possible deal.

[ojandpizza]

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I feel like if they can get Dame without losing Barnes and one of Siakam/OG you do the deal regardless of what fillers or picks it takes. I could understand OG being the big return piece, he has a great contract and Siakam + Grant is a weird pairing. OG is also younger and I feel like plays a bit more off-ball style which gives the keys fully to Scoot.

From that point everything hinges on how good Barnes becomes for Toronto, but if that is an All-Star guy that team could jump much higher than a 6 seed or whatever. Dame-Trent-Siakam-Barnes-Poeltl - Barton and Schroder off the bench is solid depth too. I don't see why that couldn't be one of the better teams in the East (again hinging on Barnes development of course).

But I'm largely basing that off how good we've already seen the Dame + Trent JR duo look on the floor together. I didn't feel like there was much difference at all in the Dame+Trent duo than the Dame+CJ duo when he filled in for CJ's injury back in Portland. And Trent was a better defender. I thought at that moment they should have traded CJ.. It worked out because I think they moved Trent for Powell, but imagine if CJ brought back another 30m caliber guy instead.

idk it just feels like that group has substantially better positioning and identity than just trotting out FVV and like 4 6'7-6'9 wing players. Starting the year with a legit big, dumping one of the overlapping guys, and a massive upgrade at the PG and just "lead guy", "last shot" spot.

[Majingir]

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The other thing is they still have Schroeder as a PG and can't deal him right now I don't think?

Flynn for sure would be part of this deal, a young PG who has never gotten a shot but could be a decent backup or starter on a bad team.

OG or Siakam moving doesn't change lineup a whole lot. It's either

Poeltl, Barnes, OG, Trent, Lillard
OR
Poeltl,Siakam,Barnes,Trent,Lillard

Although, Raptors had interest in Simons too (the original discussions months back before any Lillard rumors happened was Simons and possibly that 3 pick in a deal for OG or Siakam). Though don't think Blazers have interest in Trent, so unless there's some bigger 3 team deal where Trent goes elsewhere and Simons goes to Raptors as well, don't see it happening. Though Lillard and Simons backcourt with Poeltl,Barnes and Siakam or OG would be interesting. I feel you keep OG more than Siakam since Lillard would be your offensive guy.

[Majingir]

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Latest rumor says:

OG, Grady, 1st and a 1st swap.

To match salaries you'd still need to add Flynn, Boucher and Young or Porter.

If it's a 3 team deal, I wonder if Raptors could get off dealing Flynn, Boucher, Porter to some other team and that team is the one dealing a lottery protected 1st or doing the pick swap part of the deal instead.

[l3ulvl]

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and then Dame immediately requests a trade from Toronto, so why bother

[georgiafan]

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** Lillard to the Bucks **

@wojespn

Lillard goes Milwaukee as part of a 3-team deal with Jrue Holiday, Deandre Ayton, Toumani Camara, a 2029 unprotected MIL 1st, and unprotected MIL swap rights in 2028 and 2030 to Blazers. Phoenix lands Jusuf Nurkic, Grayson Allen, Nassir Little and Keon Johnson.

The Blazers remain engaged elsewhere on deals and will are expected to immediately engage contending teams on trade talks to move on Jrue Holiday, sources tell ESPN. Portland is committed to its young group of talented guards.