2023 Offseason Thread

[ProfessaPackMan]

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This kind of "I will take care of you down the line" promises seem to be made all the time; and if Morey can't be trusted to keep his word then he should be put on blast for other players/agent to know what's what.

Wild part is there’s been players in the past that have spoken up about Morey.

Relationships and reputations matter more in this sport and you can’t afford to be risking either of them, regardless of who the player is.

[illwill10]

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Right, the Spurs have too many guys & future picks, so they'll be making some 'tough' decisions soon too.

I've seen some Spurs fans floating around the idea of waiving Blake Wesley and another young prospect. Kind of seems counterproductive when you aren't seen as a playoff contender.

I'd rather they keep young, unproven talent with upside over known quantities like Payne, Osman, & Birch.

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I agree. If it wasn't for Sixers having 5 centers, Birch would make sense. Osman would make sense as well with the complete lack of depth at wing for the Sixers. Even a guy like Bullock shouldn't get minutes over some of the young guys. McDermott also makes sense to get assets for.

For the Thunder, you have SGA and Giddey as the backcourt. Isaiah Joe has locked up a spot(Sixers shouldn't have let him go for nothing). They have Tre Mann, brought out Micic from overseas, drafted Carson Wallace(think he was just given a Two-Way contract today),they have Oladipo. Oladipo might get waived. But Mann is the one they could probably move. Same for Wing. The depth is Dieng, Garuba, Keyontae Johnson, Kenrich Williams, and Bertans as the main depth not counting PF/Cs. Kenrich Williams is a guy I would make a trade for. He's a good versatile defender

[illwill10]

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Wild part is there’s been players in the past that have spoken up about Morey.

Relationships and reputations matter more in this sport and you can’t afford to be risking either of them, regardless of who the player is.

Chris Paul has said that Morey told him that he wasn't going to get traded to the Thunder, then he traded him to the Thunder. Pat Bev said on his podcast that he can see it from both sides, but knows how Morey doesn't business. Morey has the smartest guy in the room syndrome and wants to fleece teams on a deal. It has been said he almost takes too much of a analytical approach to moves and not enough of a human approach. I swore I heard him say that Chemistry isn't a high priority for him.

Ever since he traded for Harden in Philly, the consensus was would the bromance they had cloud his decision making. It felt like getting Harden was the ultimate goal since he step foot in Philly. Morey once wrote a column about how Harden has changed his life, he once said Harden was a better scorer than Michael Jordan, and it appears that Morey has a mural of Harden in his house lol. A lot of stuff would've been avoided if Harden had an agent when he was in BK. If he took the extension then, this BS wouldn't be happening now

[J_Posse]

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I agree. If it wasn't for Sixers having 5 centers, Birch would make sense. Osman would make sense as well with the complete lack of depth at wing for the Sixers. Even a guy like Bullock shouldn't get minutes over some of the young guys. McDermott also makes sense to get assets for.

For the Thunder, you have SGA and Giddey as the backcourt. Isaiah Joe has locked up a spot(Sixers shouldn't have let him go for nothing). They have Tre Mann, brought out Micic from overseas, drafted Carson Wallace(think he was just given a Two-Way contract today),they have Oladipo. Oladipo might get waived. But Mann is the one they could probably move. Same for Wing. The depth is Dieng, Garuba, Keyontae Johnson, Kenrich Williams, and Bertans as the main depth not counting PF/Cs. Kenrich Williams is a guy I would make a trade for. He's a good versatile defender

Cason going in the top 10 and only getting a Two-Way deal is nearly unheard of. They'll definitely have to give him a fully guaranteed NBA contract which will clutter up their roster further.

(I'm almost certain that they'll eventually dump Tre Mann since he's been very, very underwhelming so far.)

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[illwill10]

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Cason going in the top 10 and only getting a Two-Way deal is nearly unheard of. They'll definitely have to give him a fully guaranteed NBA contract which will clutter up their roster further.

(I'm almost certain that they'll eventually dump Tre Mann since he's been very, very underwhelming so far.)

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It was Lindy Waters who got the Two-Way. But even then, Wallace isn't going to get minutes like that, especially with Micic finally coming over. I definitely see Mann getting waived.

It's nice having all those picks until you have to use them. You'll end up kicking the can down the road like they did by trading out for future picks

[ojandpizza]

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Thoughts on this whole James Harden thing…

I’m one of the few (maybe the only) who actually think he’s worth the contract. He has his flaws as a player but so does 90% of the league. I loved his growth as more of a primary point guard type of player and he seemed pretty willing to make life easy on Joel at the sacrifice of him trying to put up huge scoring numbers every night. For me that’s exactly what you wanted out of him as a best case scenario, all the chatter around him is how he can’t pair next to other stars..

Morey’s trade return for Harden is completely unrealistic. You aren’t going to get any player of equal value (forget more value) that is also younger than James is. To me it makes more sense to pay him, it’s not his contract that’s biting you in the *** it’s the Tobias Harris contract. You aren’t moving him for a young superstar, no team with a young star has the plans of offloading that player for someone who’s inching near retirement. Even if that trade presented itself I’m not sure the Sixers even want some great player who has zero experience as your attempt to win it all in before Joel’s contract ends anyways.

Even if you didn’t agree that Harden is worth his contract, which to be honest it could look very ugly in a couple years anyways depending how he ages… but if there was a handshake deal that Morey is now backing out on Harden has every right to be pissed. The Sixers were penalized for tampering because of all this, so it feels like Harden is definitely telling the truth in this whole ordeal and if that’s how Morey operates he should definitely be called out for it regardless of what anybody thinks Harden is truly worth. You can’t be throwing out false promises to players and expect players to continue to work with you, that doesn’t make any sense at all especially in the NBA and with the landscape of player movement.

How many players will Philly run out before Joel says **** it I’m gone too? They seem to not care about that.

[illwill10]

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https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/38219710/sources-nba-launches-inquiry-james-harden-situation

If the brunt of this is because Morey said he wouldn't trade him for scraps, then that's not that big of deal for me. It would have been one thing if it was about a hand shake deal. It makes sense since the liar claim came a day after the report of Morey "taking Harden off the market".

But, what do you expect when you limit it to one team. He's not in his prime anymore to choose his option.

[illwill10]

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Thunder waived Usman Garuba.


Still have more players to move off from. Surprised they couldn't get any type of draft capital for those young players in him and Washington.

[J_Posse]

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Thunder waived Usman Garuba.





Still have more players to move off from. Surprised they couldn't get any type of draft capital for those young players in him and Washington.

From my count (using basketball reference) they have 18 NBA contracts and 1 Two-Way.

I'm surprised they aren't waiting until after training camp/the preseason to start cutting players. You would think that Bertans, Oladipo, Mann, and/or Pokusevski would been the first on the chopping block.

Garuba might end up like Semi Ojeleye, unfortunately, since he lacks any desirable offensive skill. I'm shocked that Ty Ty was cut loose so early since every team could use quality PG (prospects), but OKC has a glut of ball handling guards.

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[J_Posse]

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Again, I'm wondering when the Spurs will start doing the same. I'd hope they'd wait until preseason to start making the tough decisions.



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[illwill10]

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From my count (using basketball reference) they have 18 NBA contracts and 1 Two-Way.

I'm surprised they aren't waiting until after training camp/the preseason to start cutting players. You would think that Bertans, Oladipo, Mann, and Pokusevski would be the first on the chopping block.

Garuba might end up like Semi Ojeleye, unfortunately, since he lacks any desirable offensive skill. I'm shocked that Ty Ty was cut loose so early since every team could use quality, but OKC has a glut of ball handling guards.

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Yeah, I don't see the rush to cut these players. You have until before game 1 to get to 15(+3 Two-Way). Might as well keep these guys as camp bodies and if there is a injury elsewhere, you have guys to trade to get assets.

[J_Posse]

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Yeah, I don't see the rush to cut these players. You have until before game 1 to get to 15(+3 Two-Way). Might as well keep these guys as camp bodies and if there is a injury elsewhere, you have guys to trade to get assets.

Presti outsmarting himself, I guess.

I do hope these two kids latch on somewhere else and shine. Washington has plenty of upside still (he turns just 22 in November), but Houston and OKC don't have the minutes or opportunity to develop him.

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[georgiafan]

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i thought I heard Bertans has like 5 million guaranteed or something on his contract for next year. So that's likely why they will not just release him this offseason.

[Majingir]

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Raptors allegedly took a page out of the Astros playbook....well, the Knicks playbook if we want to be technical/literal.

[illwill10]

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Didn't think he would get fined for it, but not surprising. I guess they didn't find proof on the "liar" comment

"The NBA is fining Sixers star James Harden $100,000 for his recent comments referring to franchise president Daryl Morey as a “liar,” sources tell ESPN."
Damn, that's a hefty fine. That's the maximum they can fine a player