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  • jeebs9
    Fear is the Unknown
    • Oct 2008
    • 47568

    #1141
    Re: 2023 Offseason Thread

    Originally posted by illwill10
    https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/st...GyAenybig&s=19

    Feels like it's AI generated, but the toothpaste is already out of the tube. Feels like when he took that 1+1 last year, he felt he was going to get taken care of.

    It would be nice to have one normal quiet offseason for the Sixers
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    • dubcity
      Hall Of Fame
      • May 2012
      • 17874

      #1142
      Re: 2023 Offseason Thread

      Originally posted by illwill10
      It's like Harden is delusional about his value.
      As are many others.

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      • illwill10
        Hall Of Fame
        • Mar 2009
        • 19824

        #1143
        Re: 2023 Offseason Thread

        Kyrie is speaking like he wasn't the reason Harden wanted to leave Brooklyn lol.

        Not fully defending the team over player, but Harden I essentially mad that he expected to be taken care of for taking a discount. Then tried to leverage Houston over Sixers to try to have an option of max contract, until Udoka shut that down. Then got mad because Philly ghosted him before the FA period and didn't tamper. Harden realize the market wasn't there and took the most money on the table and then choose his destination later.

        The way how Harden said Morey was liar, makes some believe there was a handshake/wink wink deal. They have a decade plus relationship. But something everyone learns as a kid is that never agree to something unless you have it in writing. But if Harden has receipts, might as well go full scorched earth lol

        Last edited by illwill10; 08-14-2023, 02:07 PM.

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        • illwill10
          Hall Of Fame
          • Mar 2009
          • 19824

          #1144
          Re: 2023 Offseason Thread

          Another trade I wouldn't mind is Mike Conley and Kyle Anderson for Harden as a trade that keeps cap flexibility. Conley would be a ball handler replacement, and offers consistent floor spacing. It allows Maxey to not have to be primary ball handler, but solidifies him as the #2 scorer. Don't really like Anderson, but brings needed size on wing, can offer rebounding and playmaking.

          Unless they can get Raptors on the phone for someone like OG, it feels like Clippers or Wolves deals are my top 2. I'm actually leaning a little towards the Wolves. Just because it somewhat fills some needs. They would need a Vet PG who offers playmaking, spacing, play off the ball, and offers some defense and a wing with size.

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          • King_B_Mack
            All Star
            • Jan 2009
            • 24450

            #1145
            Re: 2023 Offseason Thread

            Definitely both the problem here. Saw a report that Morey wants an elite player plus picks for Harden. If that's what he's asking he's as delusional as Harden and making absolutely zero sense. How the hell is someone that YOU aren't willing to give a max deal to worth an elite player AND picks. You ask for one or the other in a deal for someone like this. Not both. I don't even think you can ask for an elite player for Harden if I'm being honest.

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            • illwill10
              Hall Of Fame
              • Mar 2009
              • 19824

              #1146
              Re: 2023 Offseason Thread

              Originally posted by King_B_Mack
              Definitely both the problem here. Saw a report that Morey wants an elite player plus picks for Harden. If that's what he's asking he's as delusional as Harden and making absolutely zero sense. How the hell is someone that YOU aren't willing to give a max deal to worth an elite player AND picks. You ask for one or the other in a deal for someone like this. Not both. I don't even think you can ask for an elite player for Harden if I'm being honest.
              While also asking for a package that leads to a star or maintaining cap flexibility for '24. If someone had a trade package that could land a star, why would they trade for Harden rather than trade for a star. You can't have both. I understand that if you can land a star now, then get the star. But, you can't ask for cap flexibility, while trying to maintain contention. The only realistic player that applies to cap flexibility and maintaining contention level, is who DeRozan or one of the Raptors wings. But an expiring for expiring deal only makes sense when it both teams are filling a need

              If it's all about cap flexibility, the Clippers package always made sense. Morey has always had an over infatuation with Harden. From the minute Morey got there, Morey was intent on getting Harden. I fully think that if Harden didn't quit on the Nets that they would've kept Simmons the whole seasons and did a sign and trade for Harden. So, I don't think he wants to give up Harden for scraps. But, he's not getting a Lavine, PG13, OG, or Siakam for a age 34 Harden on an expiring deal with a history of quiting on teams and shrinking when the lights are bright
              Last edited by illwill10; 08-14-2023, 07:55 PM.

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              • King_B_Mack
                All Star
                • Jan 2009
                • 24450

                #1147
                Re: 2023 Offseason Thread

                Originally posted by illwill10
                While also asking for a package that leads to a star or maintaining cap flexibility for '24. If someone had a trade package that could land a star, why would they trade for Harden rather than trade for a star. You can't have both. I understand that if you can land a star now, then get the star. But, you can't ask for cap flexibility, while trying to maintain contention. The only realistic player that applies to cap flexibility and maintaining contention level, is who DeRozan or one of the Raptors wings. But an expiring for expiring deal only makes sense when it both teams are filling a need

                If it's all about cap flexibility, the Clippers package always made sense. Morey has always had an over infatuation with Harden. From the minute Morey got there, Morey was intent on getting Harden. I fully think that if Harden didn't quit on the Nets that they would've kept Simmons the whole seasons and did a sign and trade for Harden. So, I don't think he wants to give up Harden for scraps. But, he's not getting a Lavine, PG13, OG, or Siakam for a age 34 Harden on an expiring deal with a history of quiting on teams and shrinking when the lights are bright
                I don't even think DeRozan is realistic for him. AK seems like he's intent on staying the course with DeRozan, Vooch and Zach and armed with the TPE he's more than likely gonna try to add to that during the season with a team I anticipate to be better than what they showed last season. Wouldn't shock me if AK ends up extending DeMar. I'm on the fence on that move if it's what the plan is.

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                • Master Live 013
                  Hall Of Fame
                  • Oct 2013
                  • 12389

                  #1148
                  Re: 2023 Offseason Thread

                  If Morey told Harden that he would take care of him and didn't, that's garbage.
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                  • dubcity
                    Hall Of Fame
                    • May 2012
                    • 17874

                    #1149
                    Re: 2023 Offseason Thread

                    Basically the spoiled and entitled (favorite) child was told their birthday party was going to be at Chuck E Cheese, but the dad changed it to the back yard because...reasons. I guess it's the parent's fault for spoiling the kid in the first place.

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                    • Master Live 013
                      Hall Of Fame
                      • Oct 2013
                      • 12389

                      #1150
                      Re: 2023 Offseason Thread

                      This kind of "I will take care of you down the line" promises seem to be made all the time; and if Morey can't be trusted to keep his word then he should be put on blast for other players/agent to know what's what.
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                      • georgiafan
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                        • Jul 2002
                        • 11101

                        #1151
                        Re: 2023 Offseason Thread

                        The Wolves deal you said does seem realistic and they are the kind of team that could take a flyer on Harden. But if he is going to want more then like one 1st and want KAT then it will not happen.
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                        • illwill10
                          Hall Of Fame
                          • Mar 2009
                          • 19824

                          #1152
                          Re: 2023 Offseason Thread

                          Thunder waived TyTy Washington Jr. They likely have to waive a couple more players since they're still at 20 players. Also seeing them trading some guys for 2nd round picks

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                          • J_Posse
                            Greatness Personified
                            • Jun 2005
                            • 11255

                            #1153
                            Re: 2023 Offseason Thread

                            Originally posted by illwill10
                            Thunder waived TyTy Washington Jr. They likely have to waive a couple more players since they're still at 20 players. Also seeing them trading some guys for 2nd round picks
                            I think you can have 20 players under contract heading into training camp, but need to trim down to the 18 (I believe) (15 full NBA contracts & 3 Two-Way deals) player limit by the end of preseason.

                            OKC and San Antonio will both need to find consolidation trades or they'll eventually need to waive players (on guaranteed deals).

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                            • illwill10
                              Hall Of Fame
                              • Mar 2009
                              • 19824

                              #1154
                              Re: 2023 Offseason Thread

                              Originally posted by J_Posse
                              I think you can have 20 players under contract heading into training camp, but need to trim down to the 18 (I believe) (15 full NBA contracts & 3 Two-Way deals) player limit by the end of preseason.

                              OKC and San Antonio will both need to find consolidation trades or they'll eventually need to waive players (on guaranteed deals).

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                              Thanks, that's what I meant. There might be a guy here and there they could waive and not think twice(like Oladipo), but they either have to make a consolidation trade or make some tough decisions. A guy like Bertans doesn't make since in their rotation. I guess it's a good problem to have, but they are stacked at some spots and not enough minutes to go around and still have a lot of picks in the future.

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                              • J_Posse
                                Greatness Personified
                                • Jun 2005
                                • 11255

                                #1155
                                Re: 2023 Offseason Thread

                                Originally posted by illwill10
                                Thanks, that's what I meant. There might be a guy here and there they could waive and not think twice(like Oladipo), but they either have to make a consolidation trade or make some tough decisions. A guy like Bertans doesn't make since in their rotation. I guess it's a good problem to have, but they are stacked at some spots and not enough minutes to go around and still have a lot of picks in the future.
                                Right, the Spurs have too many guys & future picks, so they'll be making some 'tough' decisions soon too.

                                I've seen some Spurs fans floating around the idea of waiving Blake Wesley and another young prospect. Kind of seems counterproductive when you aren't seen as a playoff contender.

                                I'd rather they keep young, unproven talent with upside over known quantities like Payne, Osman, & Birch.

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