2023 Offseason Thread

[jeebs9]

Re: 2023 Offseason Thread

He dropped 52 today lol

https://www.instagram.com/p/Cuxuy4is4te/?img_index=1&igshid=YmQ5MjYyNzNkNQ==

[georgiafan]

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Wasn’t Payne literally the only PG on the roster?

I saw some T.J McConnell rumors

[illwill10]

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I saw some T.J McConnell rumors

That rumor involved Cam Payne, so that rumor is shut down

[J_Posse]

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I guess either Devin or Bradley are going to handle PG duties. Doesn't seem like a wise decision with that many mouths to feed to make either the table setter.

Maybe they can convince another solid free-agent to take a pay cut to join, convince someone who's been out of the league (Mike James, again, or Darren Collison) to return, or they'll sign a Euro League PG?

Not a big fan of Cameron Payne but he does help the Spurs with their questionable PG depth. Plus, him leaving Phoenix weakens them (not significantly) which is always a good thing. [emoji38]

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[Yeah...THAT Guy]

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I assume they’ll roll with Beal and Booker as the guards. Probably not ideal defensively but probably better to have an extra wing on the floor than a PG anyways. It’s not like whoever the PG would theoretically be was going to handle the ball much with Beal, Booker, and Durant there.


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[J_Posse]

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I assume they’ll roll with Beal and Booker as the guards. Probably not ideal defensively but probably better to have an extra wing on the floor than a PG anyways. It’s not like whoever the PG would theoretically be was going to handle the ball much with Beal, Booker, and Durant there.


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True, but they'll probably be playing a lot of iso on offense. I can't see either guy being able to be the playmaker or table setter that they'll need to keep everyone content. Or someone is gonna have to take a major step back scoring wise, play off-ball more and be a facilitator.

I just don't see it working, TBH.

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[ProfessaPackMan]

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Them letting him go will have a minimal-zero impact at all lol

[The 24th Letter]

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Cam Payne’s face is too punchable to be a Spur


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[J_Posse]

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Them letting him go will have a minimal-zero impact at all lol

Sure, but not having any viable PG's on the roster really makes little sense for any title contender. He was a solid back up two years ago and can start in a pinch if - more like when - Brad is (inevitably) injured.

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[J_Posse]

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Cam Payne’s face is too punchable to be a Spur


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He definitely has similar energy on the court as Jason Terry. And goodness knows I never wanted that dude in a Spurs jersey. [emoji1]

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[ProfessaPackMan]

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Sure, but not having any viable PG's on the roster really makes little sense for any title contender. He was a solid back up two years ago and can start in a pinch if - more like when - Brad is (inevitably) injured.

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True but 2 years ago was a long time ago. Not to mention, WE only remember you based on the last time we saw you play.

Plus, it’s also July. Still plenty of time for that role to get addressed internally/externally.

[ProfessaPackMan]

Re: 2023 Offseason Thread

Harden/Sixer News:

https://sports.yahoo.com/76ers-in-precarious-position-with-james-harden-who-only-has-eyes-for-the-clippers-171112256.html?guccounter=1

[Gramps91]

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I saw a meme years ago that pointed out Cameron Payne looked like Zero from Holes, and I have never been able to unsee it.

[ojandpizza]

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The Harden situation is a weird one.. I know he still displays moments of the ugly iso-ball everyone wants him to get away from, but I thought he checked off a lot of boxes people had questions about with him this past year.

He lead the league in assists, and has now sat at double digits for three straight teams. His three point shooting was a career best mark, he relied the least amount since he became a starter in the league on getting to the free-throw line, he was still ridiculously efficient as a scorer, and did all that while having substantially lower usage than any other point in his career (as a starter), only about 60% of what his usage was at his peak in Houston.. He did all that while submitting touches to Embiid, who led the league in scoring, and won MVP..

Basically he checked every box people had for questioning if he could go be a number 2 somewhere, still be effective without the ball quite as much. He should have probably been an AS and All-NBA guy and wasn't, and his reputation is basically shot.. He had some questionable playoff moments but he also pretty much willed them to two wins against Boston with 40+ point games too. And while his last game was awful, so was Embiid.. And for a guy you've brought on to be a play-making number 2 for the best scorer in the league you don't think he maybe would have looked better in that game if Embiid actually played better too?

IDK situation is just odd. I'm actually of the belief that Harden wants out because he probably feels like Embiid cares more about getting that MVP than getting a ring, and Harden wants to win, than I am Philly thinking they can't win with Harden and Harden just wants to go party... If I'm the Clippers I'd be using some of those larger contracts to try and pool together something to get him. They've needing playmaking for like 5 years now, and they need guys who can carry some of the load when Kawhi and PG sit. If Philly doesn't want those pieces then I'm calling 3rd and 4th teams to try and get something done.

This is the same as the Dame situation with the whole picking one team thing, I'm just surprised it got to this point given that the Harden and Philly pairing actually had potential to work on the court. They seemingly both want to win, Joel says he wants him there.. I wish the root of all this was explained somewhere because it doesn't make sense to me. idk if it came from Harden wanting an extension, from them getting Nurse, or Harden just not having faith in this team winning. But the whole thing is odd to me.

[illwill10]

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Morey pretty much explained in a recent radio interview this week that Harden is upset about the contract. Harden wanted to be paid for what he has done in the past. He assumed(or had a wink wink deal) that when he took the paycut last year, that it would get made up this offseason. He planned on using Houston as leverage, until Udoka shut that down. Harden does have a 15% trade kicker, so he would get an additional $5M if he gets traded.

Harden did check boxes this year. He played as true PG. He was willing to take open spot up threes this year. It was awkward the first half season last season when he couldn't just take an open spot up three without dribbling first. Even though he did win games in the Boston series, those types of games aren't sustainable. He still has a very inefficient play style. He relies too much on making stepbacks, driving and drawing fouls. He took more mid range shots, but too often he went away from it or just wasn't consistent from mid range. He has no lift or pop around the rim. He was terrible inside the arc. He doesn't move without the ball. He kept bringing up the sacrifices he made last season and the report of basketball freedom. You can't scream you're making sacrifices, while expecting something in return for it. His basketball freedom is pounding the ball for 18-20 seconds, he won't get that with the Clippers. I do think he would be a good fit on the Clippers though. He seems like he would fit in as a better #3 option as opposed to a #2. But, he still needs to be able to be a willing off-ball player.

The problem is that both Morey and Harden values Harden higher than the rest of the league. Morey said he wants a star or draft picks that can be moved for a star. You're not getting a star or quality picks for a soon to be 34 year old Harden on an expiring contract. Morey pretty much has said that he wants to have cap space for 2024 FA. So, the Clippers deal does make sense with taking those expiring deals. But, Clippers don't want to include Terance Mann in the deal. I would take the Clippers deal. Give me Mann, Batum, either Batum or Roco to make the money work. I'm good with that. I would do Harden and Springer for Morris, Batum, and Mann. The money works and it would give Sixers 3 rotational players. It still allows $28M plus Tobias big salary off the books.

I'm not all for the saving for max space for next year for Sixers. Next year's top guys aren't that much of an upgrade. Brown will most likely extend and Siakam isn't a good fit. You're banking on guys opting out and over paying them. Plus Philly hasn't done a good job of attracting stars in recent history.