2023 Offseason Thread

[l3ulvl]

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I always wondered why the cap floor was 90%, seems like such a high number, and when I try to learn more, it's like, if you don't meet the floor, the extra money just goes to your current players. Sounds like a good deal for the current players

[ojandpizza]

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I always wondered why the cap floor was 90%, seems like such a high number, and when I try to learn more, it's like, if you don't meet the floor, the extra money just goes to your current players. Sounds like a good deal for the current players

This changed under the new CBA.

Now the salaries start on the first day of the season, in the past teams had until the last regular season game to get up to the floor.

Any team under the floor will have that difference added to their payroll and can’t use any of the space as additional cap space throughout the year.

Those teams also cannot complete any trades during the season that would further lower their team salary.

With the new CBA there isn’t a big payout for the players on the roster anymore either. Instead it’s given to the NBA and distributed to ALL players. So instead of every player on the Spurs getting an extra 700k for them staying under the floor every player in the league would split like 20k or something idk whatever it comes out to be lol.

Teams that don’t hit the floor also take a revenue hit too. Not longer receive money paid out from the tax paying teams. This was like 10.5 million this past year, so a decent chunk in revenue.

Basically. We might never see a team stay under the floor again. Even if it means giving out stupid contracts in the off-seasons on one-year overpayments for trash players lol.

[ojandpizza]

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Matisse is a good defender. But is a better individual defender than a team defender. He has great instincts, but is not disciplined. He gambles too much, intentionally let's guys get in front of him to block shots from behind, he doesn't guard up well and isn't as physical as you would want him to be. Offensively, he needs a specialized role. He can't just sit in the corner when he shoots poorly and has the offense playing 4 on 5. He's needs to embrace being a cutter.

I’m not worried about this so much if I’m a team targeting high quality defenders. All the tools of an elite defender are there, the effort on that end, timing, instincts, etc.. developing him into a great team defender (requires actually having a good defensive team too) would be an easy development stage for someone who already has all the tools.

He hasn’t developed into the defender I thought he was going to be just yet but it still feels like it’s something he can become. And while he’s not young by NBA standards I think of guys like Danny Green who developed into great defenders in his late 20s-early 30s, a guy like Shane Battier, or even Tony Allen, and I feel like he can do the same.

All that said it’s likely not happening in Dallas. Team is going to be booty-cheeks on defense, and even if the defense doesn’t look awful on paper that’s likely going to be a result of how well they dictate pace offensively. I don’t see them locking up teams in the half court as currently constructed.

[jeebs9]

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This changed under the new CBA.

Now the salaries start on the first day of the season, in the past teams had until the last regular season game to get up to the floor.

Any team under the floor will have that difference added to their payroll and can’t use any of the space as additional cap space throughout the year.

Those teams also cannot complete any trades during the season that would further lower their team salary.

With the new CBA there isn’t a big payout for the players on the roster anymore either. Instead it’s given to the NBA and distributed to ALL players. So instead of every player on the Spurs getting an extra 700k for them staying under the floor every player in the league would split like 20k or something idk whatever it comes out to be lol.

Teams that don’t hit the floor also take a revenue hit too. Not longer receive money paid out from the tax paying teams. This was like 10.5 million this past year, so a decent chunk in revenue.

Basically. We might never see a team stay under the floor again. Even if it means giving out stupid contracts in the off-seasons on one-year overpayments for trash players lol.

OJ thank you for explaining all that
Because I would have never cared or wanted to know.

[georgiafan]

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I like what Dallas did I don't think they could have done any better. They still have a hole at C, but atleast have some options to try out the first part of the season.

I could see them get involved in an Ayton or Nurkic as well to upgrade C spot.

[jeebs9]

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I like what Dallas did I don't think they could have done any better. They still have a hole at C, but atleast have some options to try out the first part of the season.



I could see them get involved in an Ayton or Nurkic as well to upgrade C spot.

Sign Bol Bol and tell him to only play defense. Boom problem solved [emoji1787][emoji23][emoji1787]

[ProfessaPackMan]

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Feel like they’ve done a decent job addressing that spot. Obviously, a large part is dependent on how Lively progresses in the next few years but between that, Holmes and Williams(in the even they want to run a small ball 5, he *could* fit there)hard to say they haven’t addressed it.

[ProfessaPackMan]

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NBA Fans: “Dame needs to demand a trade out of Portland and onto a title contender they’ve been wasting his career away and have done nothing to give him a good supporting cast”

Also NBA Fans: “How dare Dame request a trade to the Heat! They don’t have anything to give up in exchange for him so he should request a trade somewhere else or this will be a knock on his legacy”

Do they not realize how insane they sound when they say that part out loud? Knocking a dude because the team he requested a trade to, doesn’t have good pieces to give up?🥴

[areobee401]

2023 Offseason Thread

How is that insane? Requesting a trade asking to be traded to a contender is one thing. Refusing to go anywhere but one location is another story. Totally reasonable to ask for a trade. Also totally reasonable for the team trading you to receive a fair return for doing so.


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[illwill10]

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"The Portland Trail Blazers are matching restricted free agent Matisse Thybulle’s three-year, $33 million offer sheet with the Dallas Mavericks, sources tell ESPN. Sheet was signed and received in Portland this morning."

Made a quick decision. He's still young enough to fit in Portland's timeline.

[ProfessaPackMan]

2023 Offseason Thread

How is that insane? Requesting a trade asking to be traded to a contender is one thing. Refusing to go anywhere but one location is another story. Totally reasonable to ask for a trade. Also totally reasonable for the team trading you to receive a fair return for doing so.


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Because it’s not a Dame problem

He did his part and the rest is on Management to find a package that helps them. Either from Miami or another team. Or to also see if you can get another team involved, like they’re currently doing right now, which people seem to be ignoring for whatever reason.

Dame requesting a trade is “fine”.
Portland trading him for the best package that can help them the MOST is also fine.
Knocking Dame because the team he wants to go to specifically doesn’t have a good package is wild to say out loud. Folks treating this situation like he’s holding THEM personally hostage, lol.

But I also think the discourse around THIS has completely jumped the shark. This is pretty much my stance:

https://twitter.com/keithsmithnba/status/1676955654752436241?s=46&t=bmmyw4g-qEId3d4KHhv-qw

[Yeah...THAT Guy]

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NBA Fans: “Dame needs to demand a trade out of Portland and onto a title contender they’ve been wasting his career away and have done nothing to give him a good supporting cast”

Also NBA Fans: “How dare Dame request a trade to the Heat! They don’t have anything to give up in exchange for him so he should request a trade somewhere else or this will be a knock on his legacy”

Do they not realize how insane they sound when they say that part out loud? Knocking a dude because the team he requested a trade to, doesn’t have good pieces to give up?��

I think Portland is at least partially to blame because they probably should have just traded him before the trade request ever came in in the first place, but the time for Lillard to pick one specific team to play for was before he signed the supermax extension. Like areobee said, asking to go to a contender is one thing. Providing a handful of teams that you'd like to be traded to is another. Those are both varying levels of fine. Saying there's only one team you'll play for when you just signed a new contract is just super weak (though to be fair, he's almost certainly bluffing and teams should be willing to call his bluff).

...yes, I'm partially annoyed by the fact that Miami getting him for 10 cents on the dollar would make them a legitimate contender and annoyed at the realization (that has been obvious for awhile but is even moreso now) that the deck is just stacked so hugely in favor of destination cities.

[ProfessaPackMan]

2023 Offseason Thread

Oh doing this after signing a contract extension is definitely weak, I won’t even argue that, which is why I didn’t even bring that up. I just went thru it with KD. This has been one of main beers with this sports league.

My only issue is knocking him for only wanting to go to one specific team as if star players demanding trades never done that before. “Oh, they have a weak package”…ok, trade him somewhere else then, lol.

If you’re a fan of the Blazers, I completely understand their frustration though.

[DieHardYankee26]

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Don’t have ESPN insider so couldn’t see the article, but apparently Woj said his agent is calling other teams basically saying he’ll be a malcontent if they trade for him. That’s wild.

[ojandpizza]

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NBA Fans: “Dame needs to demand a trade out of Portland and onto a title contender they’ve been wasting his career away and have done nothing to give him a good supporting cast”

Also NBA Fans: “How dare Dame request a trade to the Heat! They don’t have anything to give up in exchange for him so he should request a trade somewhere else or this will be a knock on his legacy”

Do they not realize how insane they sound when they say that part out loud? Knocking a dude because the team he requested a trade to, doesn’t have good pieces to give up?🥴

How is that insane? Requesting a trade asking to be traded to a contender is one thing. Refusing to go anywhere but one location is another story. Totally reasonable to ask for a trade. Also totally reasonable for the team trading you to receive a fair return for doing so.

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Whole situation is weird. I see both sides of it, seems some people don't like that he's giving them an ultimatum to go to just one team. Basically if he can ask for a trade and Portland honors that request then Portland should be able to trade him for the best offer. Been a lot of talk on NBA radio over this the past few days, lots of call-ins giving their input too. Everyone seems pretty split.

Hard for me to give my thoughts because I never really had an issue with him staying if that's where he wanted to be, or thought he just had to have a ring to appease the people who think ring(s) determines how good you are at basketball.. But I always thought that purely for basketball reasons Portland should have traded him awhile go. I don't think they ever wanted to look like the bad guys for trading the loyal player, and even now seems they didn't want to be the ones to trade him now before a request but keeping the 3rd pick all but determined that.

His agent calling every other team telling them they would be trading for an unhappy player if it's not Miami is a little shady.. If you're going to wait to request a trade after signing the biggest contract you possibly can, then ask to be traded a year into that contract I think many fans/NBA media believe if that contract isn't fulfilled with Portland at least it should be honored wherever you go not just Miami. If Miami was the ultimatum don't sign your new deal and just go to Miami a year ago. Obviously we know why players would rather go this route and get the most money they possibly can too.

From Portland side it's really tough to say without knowing what other teams are offering. I have a hard time believing many teams are offering something much better than Herro as a young promising player, multiple picks, and matching the money. And if those offers are out there we sure aren't hearing of them. Someone mentioned Maxey in here the other day, I'm not really sold that Maxey>Herro anyways. I get why some would be, but I'm pretty 50/50 there, and matching salary with Harris or Harden is a worse return than Miami's guys.... My point is if they consider the Miami haul like a 7/10 but the absolute best offer they've gotten is only an 8/10 then maybe just do right by Dame and send him where he wants.

Not saying you turn down home-run offers for him, but we aren't hearing noise out there that those offers exist.. And for good reason, Dame has never really developed many parts of his game outside of on-ball scoring to be at an elite level. He's older, had injuries, and honestly many of his teams have sorta underachieved. Portland may have failed to put a contending team around him the last couple of years, but they've tried about a million different paths to build a winner and most of them fell short of expectation. Jerry West and Steph Curry are the only players 33+ years old who are under 6'4 to average 25+ a game.. Random stat but the point is small volume scorers do not historically age well, and West was actually like 6'4-6'5 anyways so basically just Steph.. And Dame hasn't shown great off ball play, his defense is already poor, teams likely aren't trading for a guy that can be their number 1 for the next 5 years with this move.