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  • pietasterp
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    • Feb 2004
    • 6244

    #1546
    Re: ***Official Detroit Pistons Thread***

    Originally posted by VDusen04
    Speaking only in regards to Stan Van Gundy, I think he and Jeff Bower were in a tight spot from the moment they took over and pretty much had to try to piece something together out of the league's scraps.

    Regarding Reggie Jackson, there were no elite point guards willing to come to Detroit by choice and the Pistons had zero pieces any team would want in exchange for one. Jackson was one of the few young available options with potential. And to be fair, when he was healthy there were times where he looked close to an all-star. SVG and Bower took an educated stab at finding a diamond in the rough and they almost cashed it in.

    Regarding Andre Drummond, I've always thought the Pistons were handcuffed and had virtually no choice in the matter. Dude was 22-years-old, was coming off an all-star season, and was a part of the Pistons' first playoff appearance in years. Seemed like he was too young to give up on and trade at the time, especially when your team's making their first playoff run. They also couldn't let a commodity like him walk for free, which really only left paying him whatever he wanted. I don't think he's a max player but they had to pay him like one... or else.

    Now SVG and Bower's draft history on the other hand...
    I agree that they came into a bad situation, and for the first 2 years, I think they mostly did the right things. They inherited a mess, no doubt. But after they finally rid themselves of the massive mistakes of the end of the Dumars era, they then took that newfound freedom to operate and proceeded to make almost all of the same mistakes all over again, except with longer-term implications. I won't rehash my 20 prior posts on the subject, but being a near-luxury tax team with this product on the floor is laughable.

    Originally posted by Gowi
    Their draft picks were inconsistent. Kennard has promise, we traded Dinwiddie before he developed, Ellenson was awful, Johnson was pretty decent, Hilliard didn't go well, and Gbinije didn't work out either.

    3/5 isn't a bad ratio. Imagine what Dinwiddie would be doing if we kept him.
    I think 3/5 is a pretty generous grading. And I would say the jury is still out on Kennard.

    Originally posted by rdnk
    Generally I thought the Bower/SVG trades were fine, it was the FA signings that were brutal. I don't think I've ever seen so much cake wasted on bench guys who didn't work out.

    Middleton was traded under the Dumars/Cheeks regime along with Brandon Knight for Jennings. SVG/Bower somehow managed to salvage that and the Greg Monroe situation into Tobias Harris, which was a huge coup.
    Draft picks and free agency signings were terrible. Those are arguably the 2 most important aspects of team building (actually, maybe inarguably). I suppose I have to give them credit for some of their trades, but saying we turned a second rounder into Blake Griffin is a stretch, and it still remains to be seen whether we get more than 1 good season out of Griffin.

    I think in the end, SVG's primary shortcoming was failing to see the sea change in the way the game is played in the 21st century. He was still trying to build a pick-n-roll high-low post squad, when the league has long ago gone to a Nelly-ball spray-and-pray volume distance shooting league. He may not have liked it, but failing to bow to the central fact that the way the game is played now is fundamentally different was always going to result in failure.

    Originally posted by Gowi
    Maybe SVG wasn't as incompetent as people say he is.
    I appreciate your thoughtful counterpoints about the Pistons; it's really rare to see true 'Stones fans these days (pretty much all of them are in this thread ). I would say that calling SVG incompetent is maybe a bit harsh, but at the end of the day, you are what your record says you are. And his record says he was a coach with a losing record (152-176) and zero playoff victories. Given his unprecedented control over the personnel decisions with the franchise (at least by Detroit Pistons historical standards), I would place the lions' share of the blame for that directly at his feet.

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    • l3ulvl
      Hall Of Fame
      • Dec 2009
      • 17244

      #1547
      Re: ***Official Detroit Pistons Thread***

      Originally posted by pietasterp
      , I would place the lions' share of the blame for that directly at his feet.
      I have nothing to say other than the standard "i see what you did there" remark, and I feel dirty because that was too easy
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      • Gowi
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        • Aug 2019
        • 78

        #1548
        Re: ***Official Detroit Pistons Thread***

        Ultimately, I'm pretty optimistic about the Griffin Era of the Pistons.

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        • pietasterp
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          • Feb 2004
          • 6244

          #1549
          Re: ***Official Detroit Pistons Thread***

          Originally posted by Gowi
          Ultimately, I'm pretty optimistic about the Griffin Era of the Pistons.
          I'm glad! It will be a nice counterpoint in this thread to my constant negativity about the franchise under its current leadership.

          Then of course we've got l3ulvl adding his snark, comic relief, and occasional good insights.... And stories about his ghetto living situation, although that's another thread....

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          • l3ulvl
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            • Dec 2009
            • 17244

            #1550
            Re: ***Official Detroit Pistons Thread***

            Originally posted by pietasterp
            I'm glad! It will be a nice counterpoint in this thread to my constant negativity about the franchise under its current leadership.

            Then of course we've got l3ulvl adding his snark, comic relief, and occasional good insights.... And stories about his ghetto living situation, although that's another thread....
            speaking of which, an alarming amount of neighbors have been wearing ankle monitors lately, I guess they're tethered just as bad as the Stones!

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            • Gowi
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              • Aug 2019
              • 78

              #1551
              Re: ***Official Detroit Pistons Thread***

              Is it really that bad over in Saginaw?

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              • l3ulvl
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                • Dec 2009
                • 17244

                #1552
                Re: ***Official Detroit Pistons Thread***

                Originally posted by Gowi
                Is it really that bad over in Saginaw?
                Nah I just live in a really unique spot
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                • pietasterp
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                  • Feb 2004
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                  #1553
                  Re: ***Official Detroit Pistons Thread***

                  Originally posted by l3ulvl
                  Nah I just live in a really unique spot
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                  • Gowi
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                    • Aug 2019
                    • 78

                    #1554
                    Re: ***Official Detroit Pistons Thread***

                    I think I'm going to adjust Bruce Brown's rating in 2K after this short run of his potential growth lol.

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                    • l3ulvl
                      Hall Of Fame
                      • Dec 2009
                      • 17244

                      #1555
                      Re: ***Official Detroit Pistons Thread***

                      Originally posted by Gowi
                      I think I'm going to adjust Bruce Brown's rating in 2K after this short run of his potential growth lol.
                      I'm honestly not huge on him, he's been ok, but we keep hyping him up to be some elite defensive stopper, but he kinda gets beat... a lot. Idunno, I don't want to make it seem like I have high expectations for a 2nd round guy, he's been thrust into a difficult spot, but... eh...
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                      • Gowi
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                        • Aug 2019
                        • 78

                        #1556
                        Re: ***Official Detroit Pistons Thread***

                        That's fair. I'm not gonna bounce his rating that highly. Dude has potential growth is all I'm saying.

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                        • l3ulvl
                          Hall Of Fame
                          • Dec 2009
                          • 17244

                          #1557
                          Re: ***Official Detroit Pistons Thread***

                          Originally posted by Gowi
                          That's fair. I'm not gonna bounce his rating that highly. Dude has potential growth is all I'm saying.
                          You know what? I'm on board for both, rating and potential boosts lol
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                          • pietasterp
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                            • Feb 2004
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                            #1558
                            Re: ***Official Detroit Pistons Thread***

                            Wake me up on draft day.

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                            • rdnk
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                              • Feb 2009
                              • 5730

                              #1559
                              Re: ***Official Detroit Pistons Thread***

                              Originally posted by pietasterp
                              Wake me up on draft day.
                              How about deadline day?

                              I think they need to trade Derrick Rose. His value is never going to be higher that it is right now. If you can get a young big in return, then they should trade Drummond as well. If they can get anything out of the team's expiring contracts, that'd be ideal, but with a weak FA, I imagine interest is limited.

                              In the draft, I imagine the Pistons will take a hard look at PG, assuming no one falls to them.
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                              • Gowi
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                                • Aug 2019
                                • 78

                                #1560
                                Re: ***Official Detroit Pistons Thread***

                                2020-2021 is going to be a rough season.

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