***Official Detroit Pistons Thread***

[rdnk]

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I guess I would have two questions on CP3:
1. Is Blake down with teaming with CP3 again?
2. Is OKC giving up assets to move the CP3 contract?

If yes to both, then Detroit should pursue. Maybe even if Detroit was just taking back salary.

[pietasterp]

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I would not have been opposed to trading for Westbrook. It doesn't make a ton of sense long-term, but since we don't appear to be tanking and the payroll is bloated as hell anyway, might was well make things interesting. Especially since I think the NBA landscape has significantly changed now that the Warriors regime is over, things have never looked more wide-open. If the Raptors could win the title, maybe the Pistons with Westbrook-Griffin-Drummond might be a serious Eastern Conference contender. Who knows? It would have been worth a flyer, and if nothing else, even if it didn't work it would have been interesting.

CP3 I like a lot as a player, but he's older and oft-injured, so I can't see him being much use at that price at this particular point in time. I think he'd be a great fit and obviously he and Blake play well together, but hard to imagine we have any assets worthwhile enough to get him in trade and he'd be out half the season (while Blake was out the other half) anyway.

Whatever they do, at least the league is looking somewhat interesting again for the first time in a decade or more.

[Gowi]

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If we could package Reggie and they'd want him, that'd be a not so bad deal.

[l3ulvl]

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If we could package Reggie and they'd want him, that'd be a not so bad deal.

Maybe Stan will get a new gig soon and we can pawn Reggie off on him

[pietasterp]

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SVG did more damage to the franchise than anyone in recent memory. Even Dumars near the end of his time as GM didn't crater our next decade in the same way as SVG did. And Dumars at least went to 6 straight ECF, 2 NBA finals, and won a title. You could argue we should have won more than 1, but you can't even compare resumes with SVG.

The issue with much of our roster as it's currently constructed is that there is pretty much 1 team in the league dumb enough to pay the guys we have on our team what we're paying them, and unfortunately, it's the Detroit Pistons.

[l3ulvl]

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SVG did more damage to the franchise than anyone in recent memory. Even Dumars near the end of his time as GM didn't crater our next decade in the same way as SVG did. And Dumars at least went to 6 straight ECF, 2 NBA finals, and won a title. You could argue we should have won more than 1, but you can't even compare resumes with SVG.

The issue with much of our roster as it's currently constructed is that there is pretty much 1 team in the league dumb enough to pay the guys we have on our team what we're paying them, and unfortunately, it's the Detroit Pistons.

I'm still mad about big shot Rob. We talk all the time about the inbounder is the most dangerous player, and when it happens to be a guy with a legendary history of making those shots... just... ugh! I'll get over it someday... maybe

edit: damn I just rewatched the final moments of that game, such torture, Rip fought through a mugging and still got a good attempt that went in and out not sure why I just Leng Tche'd myself there, but I did

[Gowi]

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As much as I like SVG and disagree with the point about him being worse than Dumars, yeah, while he got us Griffin on his way out, he had us stuck with Reggie for a long time and a lot of our prospects didn't turn out well. The fact we had faith in people like Jennings, Smith, and others still haunts my dreams to this day.

[VDusen04]

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SVG did more damage to the franchise than anyone in recent memory. Even Dumars near the end of his time as GM didn't crater our next decade in the same way as SVG did. And Dumars at least went to 6 straight ECF, 2 NBA finals, and won a title. You could argue we should have won more than 1, but you can't even compare resumes with SVG.

The issue with much of our roster as it's currently constructed is that there is pretty much 1 team in the league dumb enough to pay the guys we have on our team what we're paying them, and unfortunately, it's the Detroit Pistons.

Speaking only in regards to Stan Van Gundy, I think he and Jeff Bower were in a tight spot from the moment they took over and pretty much had to try to piece something together out of the league's scraps.

Regarding Reggie Jackson, there were no elite point guards willing to come to Detroit by choice and the Pistons had zero pieces any team would want in exchange for one. Jackson was one of the few young available options with potential. And to be fair, when he was healthy there were times where he looked close to an all-star. SVG and Bower took an educated stab at finding a diamond in the rough and they almost cashed it in.

Regarding Andre Drummond, I've always thought the Pistons were handcuffed and had virtually no choice in the matter. Dude was 22-years-old, was coming off an all-star season, and was a part of the Pistons' first playoff appearance in years. Seemed like he was too young to give up on and trade at the time, especially when your team's making their first playoff run. They also couldn't let a commodity like him walk for free, which really only left paying him whatever he wanted. I don't think he's a max player but they had to pay him like one... or else.

Now SVG and Bower's draft history on the other hand...

[Gowi]

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Their draft picks were inconsistent. Kennard has promise, we traded Dinwiddie before he developed, Ellenson was awful, Johnson was pretty decent, Hilliard didn't go well, and Gbinije didn't work out either.

3/5 isn't a bad ratio. Imagine what Dinwiddie would be doing if we kept him.

[l3ulvl]

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Their draft picks were inconsistent. Kennard has promise, we traded Dinwiddie before he developed, Ellenson was awful, Johnson was pretty decent, Hilliard didn't go well, and Gbinije didn't work out either.

3/5 isn't a bad ratio. Imagine what Dinwiddie would be doing if we kept him.

Didn't they draft Middleton, too? or was that the previous regime

[Gowi]

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Didn't they draft Middleton, too? or was that the previous regime

Nah, that was under Dumars/Frank.

[rdnk]

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Generally I thought the Bower/SVG trades were fine, it was the FA signings that were brutal. I don't think I've ever seen so much cake wasted on bench guys who didn't work out.

Middleton was traded under the Dumars/Cheeks regime along with Brandon Knight for Jennings. SVG/Bower somehow managed to salvage that and the Greg Monroe situation into Tobias Harris, which was a huge coup.

[Gowi]

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https://www.nba.com/pistons/features/3-goals-markieff-morris-more-what-marcus-brought-pistons-would-be-ok?fbclid=IwAR0SG2uQ0hawg04LGEmaJdZZq9j1Fe1h-lP92fPXk9VZlW-DFY4WunQrTaQ

What kind of value do you think Morris will bring?

[l3ulvl]

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https://www.nba.com/pistons/features...W-DFY4WunQrTaQ

What kind of value do you think Morris will bring?

idk but this paragraph from the article is incredible:

The Pistons engineered one of the most lopsided trades of the decade in getting Marcus Morris in 2015 – plus Reggie Bullock – for the minimal cost of a second-round draft pick five years out. In 2017, after two seasons of Morris as a starting forward, they turned him into Avery Bradley, subsequently traded along with Tobias Harris and a No. 1 pick for Blake Griffin.

I mean, that's obviously a simplified version and it's late at night and I'm probably overlooking a lot, but doesn't that sound like we turned a future 2nd into Blake?

That's some wizardry... and we still suck

[Gowi]

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Maybe SVG wasn't as incompetent as people say he is.