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  • pietasterp
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    • Feb 2004
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    #1486
    Re: ***Official Detroit Pistons Thread***

    On pace for an 82-0 season!

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    • rdnk
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      • Feb 2009
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      #1487
      Re: ***Official Detroit Pistons Thread***

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      • l3ulvl
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        • Dec 2009
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        #1488
        Re: ***Official Detroit Pistons Thread***

        Kinda figured Boston would deliver a beatdown tonight
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        • rockchisler
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          • Oct 2002
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          #1489
          Re: ***Official Detroit Pistons Thread***

          Yeah me too. Not surprised


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          • pietasterp
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            • Feb 2004
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            #1490
            Re: ***Official Detroit Pistons Thread***

            …..aaaaaannnnd, we're back to earth.

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            • l3ulvl
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              • Dec 2009
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              #1491
              Re: ***Official Detroit Pistons Thread***

              RETRACT THE PISTONS!
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              • pietasterp
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                • Feb 2004
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                #1492
                Re: ***Official Detroit Pistons Thread***

                It's too bad no one is dumb/desperate enough to take on Blake Griffin's contract from us, because he's actually having a hell of season and would otherwise be a great tradeable asset to a playoff contender. His game is much better than I would have thought when we first got him.

                Unfortunately, the only team fool enough to take on a contract like that has already done so. ��

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                • rdnk
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                  • Feb 2009
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                  #1493
                  Re: ***Official Detroit Pistons Thread***

                  Heading into the year, there were several hopes that I had for the Pistons. The idea being that if most went right, the Pistons would be a middle of the road playoff team and could at least get some entertainment out of them in the short term.

                  Some of these came true, namely Blake Griffin playing well after training camp, more modernization of the offense, Reggie Jackson staying healthy and a solid enough D. However, despite the ideological improvement of the offense, the FG% is ghastly, and Dwane Casey was unable to get much of anything out of the previous regime's draft picks, as opposed to what he did in Toronto. Ultimately, injuries have taken their toll on Reggie Jackson and he isn't a good player unless he's exclusively running PnR.

                  Therefore, I was fine with what Detroit did at the deadline. They got market value for Bullock and turned Stanley into a 1 year flyer on Thon Maker. It would have been nice to get something out of Ish Smith's expiring. It might have been fun as a fan for the Pistons to acquire Mike Conley and would have improved the team, the cost was too high in assets and contract and it wouldn't have solved the issues the Pistons have at the 2 and 3.

                  Many sites have the Pistons statistical playoff odds over 50%, but it is probably best for them long term to miss. Then in the offseason, you look to trade Drummond, cut GR3, wait out the Jackson/Leuer/Galloway/Smith dead weight and enter 2020 with more options. The main challenge will probably be getting Gores on board; the rumor and innuendo is that the Pistons were shopping Drummond, but Gores killed the supposed deals.
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                  • l3ulvl
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                    • Dec 2009
                    • 17242

                    #1494
                    Re: ***Official Detroit Pistons Thread***

                    Yeah I'm not thrilled about Gores nixing Drummond deals. Let the FO do their thing, the guy is a generational rebounding talent but that's about it.

                    On the bright side, Thon has always been pretty intriguing but just couldn't get the run in Milwaukee, I'd like to see what he can do with consistent minutes.

                    Playoffs, I don't even care lol, this team can be too frustrating to watch sometimes, I'm not sure I want to see them get dismantled in a series.
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                    • pietasterp
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                      • Feb 2004
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                      #1495
                      Re: ***Official Detroit Pistons Thread***

                      Originally posted by rdnk
                      Heading into the year, there were several hopes that I had for the Pistons. The idea being that if most went right, the Pistons would be a middle of the road playoff team and could at least get some entertainment out of them in the short term.

                      Some of these came true, namely Blake Griffin playing well after training camp, more modernization of the offense, Reggie Jackson staying healthy and a solid enough D. However, despite the ideological improvement of the offense, the FG% is ghastly, and Dwane Casey was unable to get much of anything out of the previous regime's draft picks, as opposed to what he did in Toronto. Ultimately, injuries have taken their toll on Reggie Jackson and he isn't a good player unless he's exclusively running PnR.

                      Therefore, I was fine with what Detroit did at the deadline. They got market value for Bullock and turned Stanley into a 1 year flyer on Thon Maker. It would have been nice to get something out of Ish Smith's expiring. It might have been fun as a fan for the Pistons to acquire Mike Conley and would have improved the team, the cost was too high in assets and contract and it wouldn't have solved the issues the Pistons have at the 2 and 3.

                      Many sites have the Pistons statistical playoff odds over 50%, but it is probably best for them long term to miss. Then in the offseason, you look to trade Drummond, cut GR3, wait out the Jackson/Leuer/Galloway/Smith dead weight and enter 2020 with more options. The main challenge will probably be getting Gores on board; the rumor and innuendo is that the Pistons were shopping Drummond, but Gores killed the supposed deals.
                      If true, that is extremely short-sighted of Gores. But then, it's not clear what exactly he wants from the team. I was always a little worried about an absentee owner from the cut-throat private equity world buying the team and viewing it as an investment rather than a passion, and so far, those concerns have been borne out to be accurate.

                      If anyone was willing to take Drummond off of our hands, that would have been a huge jump-start to our re-build. As is, we have so much dead-money and lack of flexibility, as we've all detailed before a million times, that this is looking like a 10-year project at this point. And with the current ownership, it's unclear that even in ideal circumstances, they'd do the right thing to steer this ship correctly.

                      Also, I always thought the Conley rumors were stupid. Why would we do that? It's not like we're 1 guy away from being a serious contender. The last thing in the world the 'Stones should be doing at this point is giving up draft picks or future potential assets. At this point, draft picks > wins or playoff appearances.

                      Originally posted by l3ulvl
                      Yeah I'm not thrilled about Gores nixing Drummond deals. Let the FO do their thing, the guy is a generational rebounding talent but that's about it.

                      On the bright side, Thon has always been pretty intriguing but just couldn't get the run in Milwaukee, I'd like to see what he can do with consistent minutes.

                      Playoffs, I don't even care lol, this team can be too frustrating to watch sometimes, I'm not sure I want to see them get dismantled in a series.
                      So far, Gores has been a horrible owner. He gets an unqualified "F" letter grade so far for his tenure as the owner. I realize we'll never get another Bill Davidson, as he was one-of-a-kind, but someone that at least is interested in winning and knows how to do it would be nice. Gores has basically proven that he wants to invest in flashy showpieces which he mistakenly believes will drive attendance, but really moving the team downtown to increase its value is what he really cares about. He pretty obviously doesn't know anything about basketball or the local market, nor does he seem to care. I would hope he would sell the team, but I suppose as long as it's profitable for him, there's no reason to do so.

                      Gores obviously can't identify 'good basketball people', and is light-years behind the modern thinking and strategy of the game. Handing over the complete reigns to Stan Van Gundy was obviously a mistake, as evidenced by the team's play and personnel moves during his tenure. As a reminder, SVG's draft picks as president/coach:

                      Luke Kennard
                      Henry Ellenson
                      Michael Gbinije
                      Stanley Johnson
                      Darrun Hilliard
                      Spencer Dinwiddie

                      The lone remaining player from SVG's drafts on the current roster is Luke Kennard. Anyone think he's going to be on our roster long term? We're looking at 4 completely wasted years in the draft. And the free-agent signings were equally unfruitful, and even worse, costly (in terms of assets, cash, and future flexibility).

                      Dwane Casey can only do so much with this roster, and as far as I know, we still don't have an actual general manager. It's actually surprising we aren't in dead-last, given the total lack of leadership and vision from the front office on up to the ownership.

                      This franchise is a total joke, and completely unworthy of anyone's time. At this point, we can either enter into a 5-7 year rebuild, a 10-year rebuild, or an endless rebuild. But make no mistake, those are our only options. Signing guys like Blake Griffin and hanging on to players like Drummond basically only extend the timeline to when the rebuild can begin.

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                      • pietasterp
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                        • Feb 2004
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                        #1496
                        Re: ***Official Detroit Pistons Thread***

                        Amazingly, the Pistons are in the 7th seed in the East right now. Although that's obviously more of an indictment of the Eastern Conference than it is a credit to the team. But, give the guys credit, they're hanging around. I think everyone knows we're much better off losing out and slipping back out of the playoff picture (which, given how tight it is around the bottom of the East, is entirely possible whether they do it intentionally or not), and no one in their right mind wants to watch a Pistons-Raptors first round playoff series, but what the heck? If they make it, it will be the first 4 games I watch all year.

                        But I'm entirely confident a month from now they'll be out of the race.

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                        • l3ulvl
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                          • Dec 2009
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                          #1497
                          Re: ***Official Detroit Pistons Thread***

                          Originally posted by pietasterp
                          Amazingly, the Pistons are in the 7th seed in the East right now. Although that's obviously more of an indictment of the Eastern Conference than it is a credit to the team. But, give the guys credit, they're hanging around. I think everyone knows we're much better off losing out and slipping back out of the playoff picture (which, given how tight it is around the bottom of the East, is entirely possible whether they do it intentionally or not), and no one in their right mind wants to watch a Pistons-Raptors first round playoff series, but what the heck? If they make it, it will be the first 4 games I watch all year.

                          But I'm entirely confident a month from now they'll be out of the race.
                          Yeah we've been feasting on turds, with the exception being the random blowout win against Denver. I'm not buying some miracle 2nd half turnaround culminating with the coveted 6th seed. I've got Detroit losing the next 5. (not that there's anything wrong with that)
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                          • rdnk
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                            #1498
                            Re: ***Official Detroit Pistons Thread***

                            Long term, it is probably best for them to miss, as they'd end up picking around 10-11 as opposed to 15-17 if they make the playoffs. A few sites have them getting the 6 seed, and if you're gonna make it anyways, may as well go for the 6 seed and give yourself a better chance at more playoff revenue.
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                            • l3ulvl
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                              #1499
                              Re: ***Official Detroit Pistons Thread***

                              Originally posted by l3ulvl
                              Yeah we've been feasting on turds, with the exception being the random blowout win against Denver. I'm not buying some miracle 2nd half turnaround culminating with the coveted 6th seed. I've got Detroit losing the next 5. (not that there's anything wrong with that)
                              this isn't aging well lol
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                              • rockchisler
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                                #1500
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                                Originally posted by l3ulvl
                                this isn't aging well lol


                                Not at all.


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