***Official Detroit Pistons Thread***

[l3ulvl]

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Too little, too late. We're stuck in cap hell with a (very) low ceiling. But I suppose better late than never.

https://www.detroitnews.com/story/sp...ways/34656935/

Now the fun part, realizing all the interviews will go to retreads anyway. His top candidates so far:

Mike Brown (lol)
Mike Budenholzer
Mark Jackson (lol)
Jerry Stackhouse
Frank Vogel

yeesh

Stackhouse was DLeague coach of the year, if that means anything

Not sure how I feel about Budenholzer and Vogel, they had success with decent teams but stunk up the joint without quality talent. It's hard for me to figure out who's a good coach or not, or which coaching style works best with our weird roster

edit: wouldn't have had any issue with Fizdale but this took so long he's off the table

[rdnk]

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Mike Budenholzer please. It sounded like SVG was going to get another shot at it, but then he dug his own grave.

[pietasterp]

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We should be able to attract any top candidate to the job. I mean, what's not to like about the Pistons right now? Tons of draft picks, plenty of cap flexibility, few long-term high-dollar contracts, promising young core.....😣

[rdnk]

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We should be able to attract any top candidate to the job. I mean, what's not to like about the Pistons right now? Tons of draft picks, plenty of cap flexibility, few long-term high-dollar contracts, promising young core.....😣

We managed to land Dwane Casey, so...

I guess ownership is committed to making the Jackson/Drummond/Griffin big three work.

[l3ulvl]

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We managed to land Dwane Casey, so...

I guess ownership is committed to making the Jackson/Drummond/Griffin big three work.

Not much choice but to go all in with them

This is a very difficult team to blow up

I'm just glad Gores realized it and paired what appears to be the right coach with the right situation.

Not that I expect a whole lot, but at least we should be a playoff team again

[rdnk]

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Not much choice but to go all in with them

This is a very difficult team to blow up

I'm just glad Gores realized it and paired what appears to be the right coach with the right situation.

Not that I expect a whole lot, but at least we should be a playoff team again

I agree. Pistons' cap situation makes blowing it up nigh impossible, so bringing in the winning veteran coach is the right move.

If things break right, maybe we can be fodder for Boston in the ECF.

[pietasterp]

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Gores is rapidly proving himself to be a clueless owner unfit to inherit the sterling legacy Bill Davidson built during his unlikely-to-be-repeated-in-Detroit stewardship of the franchise during his time as owner of the Detroit Pistons.

I suppose we're about to find out how good of a coach Dwane Casey is, but I suspect our results will be marginally better than SVG's. Casey has certainly had more success than SVG in recent years, albeit with a significantly better roster. But I'm suspicious about a guy the Raptors didn't want to continue with despite some pretty good (on paper) teams.

Anyway, it's all sort of irrelevant, because the NBA is all sort of irrelevant. Wherever LeBron goes and the Warriors are the only teams really playing for a title. Everyone else is just filling out 82 nights a year on the schedule.

[l3ulvl]

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Gores is rapidly proving himself to be a clueless owner unfit to inherit the sterling legacy Bill Davidson built during his unlikely-to-be-repeated-in-Detroit stewardship of the franchise during his time as owner of the Detroit Pistons.

I suppose we're about to find out how good of a coach Dwane Casey is, but I suspect our results will be marginally better than SVG's. Casey has certainly had more success than SVG in recent years, albeit with a significantly better roster. But I'm suspicious about a guy the Raptors didn't want to continue with despite some pretty good (on paper) teams.

Anyway, it's all sort of irrelevant, because the NBA is all sort of irrelevant. Wherever LeBron goes and the Warriors are the only teams really playing for a title. Everyone else is just filling out 82 nights a year on the schedule.

Is this in response to the draft?

[rdnk]

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Is this in response to the draft?

It's probably pointed at Gores' process of hiring this offseason, but I could be entirely wrong. Based on where the Pistons were entering the draft, I thought they did perfectly fine getting Khyri Thomas and Bruce Brown. Barring a trade, all we have to look forward to in the offseason now is the Mid-level Exception.

[l3ulvl]

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It's probably pointed at Gores' process of hiring this offseason, but I could be entirely wrong. Based on where the Pistons were entering the draft, I thought they did perfectly fine getting Khyri Thomas and Bruce Brown. Barring a trade, all we have to look forward to in the offseason now is the Mid-level Exception.

The timing threw me off, I figured he was commenting after the draft when I thought we did pretty decent considering the circumstances.


Defend yourself pie

[pietasterp]

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Is this in response to the draft?

It's probably pointed at Gores' process of hiring this offseason, but I could be entirely wrong. Based on where the Pistons were entering the draft, I thought they did perfectly fine getting Khyri Thomas and Bruce Brown. Barring a trade, all we have to look forward to in the offseason now is the Mid-level Exception.

The timing threw me off, I figured he was commenting after the draft when I thought we did pretty decent considering the circumstances.


Defend yourself pie

LOL...Do I need to? I think rdnk pretty much had it right. To expand, Gores appears to have no idea who to put his trust in as far as running the franchise, and as far as I can tell, has no idea how to build a competitive NBA team. Giving SVG the keys to car and the title to the vehicle, as well as paying off the remaining loan (to beat this metaphor to death) was a serious miscalculation that set the franchise back a decade. I suppose the hiring was calculated risk, but at year 3 it seemed pretty clear this thing was headed in the wrong direction, but instead of pulling the plug, he let SVG really drive the nails into the coffin with his final draft picks and personnel moves.

There's no need to go back through all the ways we're screwed for the next 3-4 years (at least), as anyone bothering to read this thread well knows, but we're basically back to where we were before SVG ever got here, except somewhat worse off in the immediate future. Gores has botched the last GM/coach hire, and then he went out and hired a coach without a GM (opposite of the 'traditional' way of doing things...not to mention logical way) which sets up a situation where the GM has a built in excuse (hey, I didn't hire Casey!) and no flexibility to do anything, not to mention a draft with no first round pick this past month. The franchise is completely directionless at this point.

Having said all that...I don't really care. I mean, I've been mostly out on the NBA before, but I'm pretty much completely out now. The NBA has got to be the most pointless pro sports league in the country. Does anyone doubt who will win the title next year? Or who was going to win it this past year? Or the year before? Does anyone not residing in the bay area think their team has a realistic chance to win the title, or even compete? Is there any reason for the vast majority of fan bases in the league to pay any attention to their team at all? By my count, about 27 teams have no real reason to play any games at all this year.

I'm not saying every team should have a chance to win the title every year. But there has to be some hope that if something breaks right for at least 1/2 to 1/3 of the teams, they could make a run. Can anyone honestly say that's true for any team other than maybe the Rockets and maybe the Celtics? And even then...

Anyway, what was I talking about? Oh yeah, the NBA sucks. [/end rant]

[pietasterp]

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Tank-a-palooza is officially "on" like Donkey Kong in Detroit with the hiring of an ex-Sam Hinkie disciple:

https://www.freep.com/story/sports/nba/pistons/2018/08/07/detroit-pistons-sachin-gupta-assistant-gm/928467002/

The Process: Motown Edition, coming soon to a (near-empty) stadium in the "D"!

See you guys in this thread in 6-7 years, when it will be worth following this team again....

[l3ulvl]

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Tank-a-palooza is officially "on" like Donkey Kong in Detroit with the hiring of an ex-Sam Hinkie disciple:

https://www.freep.com/story/sports/nba/pistons/2018/08/07/detroit-pistons-sachin-gupta-assistant-gm/928467002/

The Process: Motown Edition, coming soon to a (near-empty) stadium in the "D"!

See you guys in this thread in 6-7 years, when it will be worth following this team again....

That's weird, why hire a coach to win now and an assistant GM known for tanking? On the other hand, if he was in the analytics role with the Rockets too, maybe this isn't a bad move

[VDusen04]

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Decided to stop in here for, like, my fourth time ever and man, it's depressing to read all these posts.

I have my own grievances with this Pistons team. For one, I'm not a fan of Andre Drummond and Reggie Jackson having such a large stake in the success of our franchise. I think they're both capable of being good players but have a lot of knucklehead in them.

That said, I don't think I'm ready to quit the NBA and I don't think it has to be eight years before this team is actually competitive again. I feel like I've been around long enough to know that you never know. That's not to say I'm going to ignore the writing on the wall, but maybe I just haven't entered into as deep a depression over it as some others here may have.

[pietasterp]

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That's weird, why hire a coach to win now and an assistant GM known for tanking? On the other hand, if he was in the analytics role with the Rockets too, maybe this isn't a bad move

I don't think it's a bad move at all. There is no other solution at this point. They have no cap space, no salary flexibility, not enough draft picks, no tradeable assets, and a team that has a hard ceiling of the 8th playoff spot in the East.

Hiring Casey - or anyone at this point - is just an attempt to keep the seat warm while the current group of players plays out their (un-tradeable) contracts. The team needs a total tear-down and rebuild, just like they did 4 years ago when Van Gundy got here.

Let's just put it in black-and-white language: Stan Van Gundy was a complete and total failure in Detroit. He left the team in worse shape than he got it, and handcuffed the franchise for at least the next 3 years. He set us back another decade in our rebuild, and his tenure as head coach and (functionally) GM/team president was worse than a complete waste of time. The team is completely irrelevant in the NBA landscape. The Joe Dumars era ended badly, but he delivered some of the best years in franchise history, so he earned his slight overstay at the end. Stan earned nothing, and deserves nothing but enmity from Pistons fans.

Decided to stop in here for, like, my fourth time ever and man, it's depressing to read all these posts.

I have my own grievances with this Pistons team. For one, I'm not a fan of Andre Drummond and Reggie Jackson having such a large stake in the success of our franchise. I think they're both capable of being good players but have a lot of knucklehead in them.

That said, I don't think I'm ready to quit the NBA and I don't think it has to be eight years before this team is actually competitive again. I feel like I've been around long enough to know that you never know. That's not to say I'm going to ignore the writing on the wall, but maybe I just haven't entered into as deep a depression over it as some others here may have.

Well, I for one would be happy to have dissenting opinions on the team any time. Always happy to see others come in and comment to offset my crushing negativity on the team. I just see no reason for hope for the forseeable future with this squad.

And I'm generally "out" on the NBA given the state of the league in general anyway (as I have been for a decade-plus now....).