***Official Detroit Pistons Thread***

[Steve_OS]

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Well its official Gordon and Villanueva are Pistons, So where does that leave Rip???

I'm guessing Gordon comes off the bench bro.

Love both signings, they had no prayer next year to land the top tier guys anyways, imho.

[rockchisler]

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I'm guessing Gordon comes off the bench bro.

Love both signings, they had no prayer next year to land the top tier guys anyways, imho.

Thats what I am hopeing for, He did in Chicago earlier in his career, he can be a Vinny Johnson 2.0

[poster]

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Well, I guess we'll see how this works out. No doubt they will be better, last season was an absolute joke so it has to be better.

There is no way they trade Rip, I don't think so at least. That being said, they must have told BG that he would be coming off of the bench.

He will play a ton, but my biggest issue is when they play small. They can't play Charlie V at the 5 when they do this, can they? So then what will they do?

I can't believe that they have never found a big man who is at least competent in the draft. Dyess isn't the big man answer either (although him coming off the bench would be welcome), so not sure how they will improve at the position. I will give it a chance, lets hope it works out.

[Altimus]

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Amare's a huge risk IMO. Bosh would be awesome. Gordon and Villanueva are decent, just not sure I see that being the Pistons of the future. I'm kinda worried now, not sure how the next 5 years will be.

I don't think so. You guys have only about $7M coming off the books next year. Unless of course Prince or Hamilton get moved.

GL with Gordon guys. He'll win it for you but at the same time prepare to pull out your hair with his shot selection.

[P2K]

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Congrats, Pistons fans. Joe Dumars just Ed Stefanski'd your franchise!!!

[poster]

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In the NBA.com article, David Aldridge has sources saying BG came knowing he would be coming off the bench playing the super sub role.

[The Chef]

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I hate these signings and Im honestly shocked that Pistons fans arent ripping them for this. Assuming we arent dealing Hamilton, and God I hope we arent, then we are paying Ben Gordon 11.00 million per year to come off the bench? Thats absolutely ridiculous. So we signed Charlie V, I assume that means Rasheed is on his way out? I dont mind dumping Wallace as he just wasnt interested in playing last year but Im not sure Charlie V brings anything to the table that makes our team a title contender. So, at the end of the day we have another log jam at SG, a weak interior with less shot blocking and weaker interior defense so tell me how this trade does anything positive for us? Would we be absolutely terrible next year if we went in without Rasheed, Dyess and just ran with what we had? Sure, but at the same time I dont see any reason we couldnt get involved in one of the big free agents next year. ****, we didnt even pursue Boozer when it was down to Utah or Detroit, then we came out saying he wasnt our top priority and he went back to Utah. Now explain to me how having Boozer down low with Hamilton at SG isnt better then having Charlie V at PF and Gordon on the bench? IMO, this is a joke.

[Psyblast]

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It's been known since the end of last year that this past season would be Rasheed's last in Detroit. And even then, they waited too long. Bum should've been gone after the Boston series.

[The Chef]

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It's been known since the end of last year that this past season would be Rasheed's last in Detroit. And even then, they waited too long. Bum should've been gone after the Boston series.

Ive got zero problems with them letting Rasheed go. I do however have a problem with paying 11.00 million to a guy to come off the bench, sign Charlie V instead of Boozer and basically hedging our bets that a team of Rip-Stuckey-Prince-Charlie V-Gordon will somehow get us to a title. Do you really believe that after these moves we are title contenders? If not then we shouldnt have wasted the money since the ultimate goal is a title and these moves do nothing except tie us up financially while getting us no closer to that title.

[ex carrabba fan]

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Ive got zero problems with them letting Rasheed go. I do however have a problem with paying 11.00 million to a guy to come off the bench, sign Charlie V instead of Boozer and basically hedging our bets that a team of Rip-Stuckey-Prince-Charlie V-Gordon will somehow get us to a title. Do you really believe that after these moves we are title contenders? If not then we shouldnt have wasted the money since the ultimate goal is a title and these moves do nothing except tie us up financially while getting us no closer to that title.

Bingo

[Psyblast]

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Ive got zero problems with them letting Rasheed go. I do however have a problem with paying 11.00 million to a guy to come off the bench, sign Charlie V instead of Boozer and basically hedging our bets that a team of Rip-Stuckey-Prince-Charlie V-Gordon will somehow get us to a title. Do you really believe that after these moves we are title contenders? If not then we shouldnt have wasted the money since the ultimate goal is a title and these moves do nothing except tie us up financially while getting us no closer to that title.

Signing Boozer wouldn't have gotten them closer, either. Neither Boozer nor Villanueva are any good defensively, and they weren't going to give all that cash to somebody who missed 45 games and had his heart called into question while he was "hurt".

They're not spectacular signings, but let's be honest, what moves could've been made that would've "moved this team closer to the title"? There's nothing that could've been done that would've caught them up to Boston, Cleveland or Orlando. I'm not a fan of paying somebody 11 million dollars to come off the bench either. I'd rather they trade Hamilton. But it is what it is. Dumars dug this hole with some horrifying coaching moves, not trading Rasheediot last year at this time, and timing the Chauncey trade very poorly. All he can do now is try to dig out of it, and it's way too early to say if the signings from today are going to help or not. I have a feeling the transactions aren't done, so let's wait and see.

[The Chef]

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Signing Boozer wouldn't have gotten them closer, either. Neither Boozer nor Villanueva are any good defensively, and they weren't going to give all that cash to somebody who missed 45 games and had his heart called into question while he was "hurt".

They're not spectacular signings, but let's be honest, what moves could've been made that would've "moved this team closer to the title"? There's nothing that could've been done that would've caught them up to Boston, Cleveland or Orlando. I'm not a fan of paying somebody 11 million dollars to come off the bench either. I'd rather they trade Hamilton. But it is what it is. Dumars dug this hole with some horrifying coaching moves, not trading Rasheediot last year at this time, and timing the Chauncey trade very poorly. All he can do now is try to dig out of it, and it's way too early to say if the signings from today are going to help or not. I have a feeling the transactions aren't done, so let's wait and see.

If we move Hamilton for a banger down low then I will feel better about the moves today but otherwise this is a massive failure. Does Boozer make us instant title contenders? Of course not, but its a hell of a lot easier to run an offense when you have a guy who can finish with his back to the basket in Boozer instead of a jump shooting Charlie V. My thoughts are we should have either signed Boozer or done nothing and waited for the huge free agency class of 2010 to try and make our splash. Is Detroit a desireable place for free agents? Maybe not, but we have to take that chance, worse case scenerio and we sign Boozer next year as a free agent, best case and we steal a Chris Bosh away from Toronto. Now with all that being said, I was talking with a buddy who said the rumor is that Detroit may shop Hamilton to Utah for Boozer, Im not sure if that can happen with all of the stipulations about trading a guy who just signed a contract but it would certainly be interesting to have a lineup of Stuckey-Gordon-Prince-Charlie V-Boozer. We would have **** for defense, lol, but we could be entertaining to watch on offense.

EDIT- All I keep thinking through this Ben Gordon deal is Joe D sees him as Microwave Jr and hopes that he can provide that instant spark off the bench like Vinnie Johnson did, unfortunately if thats the case we way overpaid for that, lol.

[poster]

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Signing Boozer wouldn't have gotten them closer, either. Neither Boozer nor Villanueva are any good defensively, and they weren't going to give all that cash to somebody who missed 45 games and had his heart called into question while he was "hurt".

They're not spectacular signings, but let's be honest, what moves could've been made that would've "moved this team closer to the title"? There's nothing that could've been done that would've caught them up to Boston, Cleveland or Orlando. I'm not a fan of paying somebody 11 million dollars to come off the bench either. I'd rather they trade Hamilton. But it is what it is. Dumars dug this hole with some horrifying coaching moves, not trading Rasheediot last year at this time, and timing the Chauncey trade very poorly. All he can do now is try to dig out of it, and it's way too early to say if the signings from today are going to help or not. I have a feeling the transactions aren't done, so let's wait and see.

Good post, I'm just not sure what follows. I think they should keep Rip, and roll with the 3 guards. There is room for them all. The problem is you can't do this with no legit big man. Boozer was not worth that gamble and I hope they don't trade for him this summer.

They will be alot more athletic and younger, so that is always a plus. Hopefully Charlie V can keep growing and turn into a Odom type guy. Same with BG, he gives them something they lack and hopefully he continues to get better.

[rockchisler]

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Ive got zero problems with them letting Rasheed go. I do however have a problem with paying 11.00 million to a guy to come off the bench, sign Charlie V instead of Boozer and basically hedging our bets that a team of Rip-Stuckey-Prince-Charlie V-Gordon will somehow get us to a title. Do you really believe that after these moves we are title contenders? If not then we shouldnt have wasted the money since the ultimate goal is a title and these moves do nothing except tie us up financially while getting us no closer to that title.

Dumars already said this team is not title ready, lets wait till the season starts to see if there are more movements.

[P2K]

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This is what I got mad about with Stefanski last summer. Lots of dough to spend, but not a player out there on the free market that you could call a franchise changer. I was perfectly content with our GM using his brain and holding onto that cash. I didn't even want him resigning Iggz and Lou Will. I was one hoping they trade them. Well, everyone knows how that story ended. I would have endured two or three piss poor years while picking up a couple lotto talents in order to flash that to a LeBron, Wade or whatever other franchise player out there. But now, we are stuck in mediocrity.

Let's keep it real. The league is about stars. If your team doesn't have one, you are SOL. You're not winning a title. You can't tell me a free agent or disgruntled star/superstar would see all that cash and young talent at a great franchise like the Pistons and want to pass over all that cash and opportunity to contend for a title. No way in hell.

The worst feeling is seeing your team wallow in Mediocreville. Meanwhile, the teams at the top of the East are getting better and the sucky teams are getting lotto talents.