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[GreenLightning]

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I give McGregor a chance but he has to get it done fairly early because I do not think he can outpoint Mayweather. That said everyone gets old and in boxing you can get old overnight. I've seen better boxers than Mayweather age from one fight to the next.
No doubt McGregor can take a hit. If you can take getting kicked you sure as hell can take a punch.

[N51_rob]

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I really hope McGregor has someone on his team teaching him how to "fight dirty" on the inside, especially when he has a hand free away from the ref. How to protect himself in the clinch, how to keep his hands up on the break, rabbit punches, kidney shots all the little things that are gonna happen that don't typically happen in the octagon. That is another huge advantage for Mayweather. He will be able to "bully" CM when they are in the clinch a bit. I expect him to hit CM hard at least once or twice after the bell too. Can't remember if UFC does the 10 second warning before the end of a round.

[aholbert32]

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I really hope McGregor has someone on his team teaching him how to "fight dirty" on the inside, especially when he has a hand free away from the ref. How to protect himself in the clinch, how to keep his hands up on the break, rabbit punches, kidney shots all the little things that are gonna happen that don't typically happen in the octagon. That is another huge advantage for Mayweather. He will be able to "bully" CM when they are in the clinch a bit. I expect him to hit CM hard at least once or twice after the bell too. Can't remember if UFC does the 10 second warning before the end of a round.

The UFC does the 10 second warning. Also "dirty boxing' is a part of the sport and Conor knows how to do that. Its a little different because there is a grappling aspect to it too but he should be fine in the clinch.

Now from distance or dealing with Floyd's counters....thats another thing.

[bigeastbumrush]

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- Diaz 2 isnt the best fights to showcase Conor's punching skill or power. He changed his gameplan and focused on leg kicks. The best fights to showcase his striking skill are the Alverez, Siver and maybe Mendes fights

- The Diaz loss wasnt because he cant take a punch. He gassed out. That happens when you are in a sport that requires more cardio. Also Conor's gas tank isnt elite.

- You are wrong about fighters never having their hands up. I'm been watching an insane amount of UFC fights this week. I'm specifically watching striking and many MMA fighters have their hands chin high. Some dont because they prefer that style or are looking to defend the takedown but many do.

- Just because someone doesnt use combos doesnt mean they cant. Most MMA fighters dont rely on big combos because that means you have to commit to a 3 or 4th strike and that can lead to you getting taken down or clinched.

I dont think Conor has a shot but to compare him to Hulk Hogan is laughable. LOL. Absolutely ridiculous. Basing that off of watching 2 fights isnt even close to the complete picture.

He gassed out in the 2nd round. 10 minutes in? 3+ boxing rounds.

The Rocky comment was in regards to the circus of the event.

This isn't a legit fight IMO. Do they want to hurt each other? Sure. Do they want bragging rights? Sure.

But this is clearly just a money grab for both of them. The press conferences definitely got my attention but reality is kicking in when you strip everything away.

Gotta call it what it is. Floyd is a 40 year old fighting a guy who has never fought under those rules and restrictions. This is a glorified sparring session.

[aholbert32]

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He gassed out in the 2nd round. 10 minutes in? 3+ boxing rounds.

The Rocky comment was in regards to the circus of the event.

This isn't a legit fight IMO. Do they want to hurt each other? Sure. Do they want bragging rights? Sure.

But this is clearly just a money grab for both of them. The press conferences definitely got my attention but reality is kicking in when you strip everything away.

Gotta call it what it is. Floyd is a 40 year old fighting a guy who has never fought under those rules and restrictions. This is a glorified sparring session.

You cant compare boxing and MMA when it comes to cardio. Boxing is an extremely taxing sport. When you throw in the elements of grappling from the clinch and takedowns, its even more taxing. Now Conor's gas tank isnt the best in MMA but its not like he's fighting a non stop pressure fighter. Floyd's style will give him breathers on his own.

I dont think anyone is arguing that this isnt a circus fight. It absolutely is. I just think boxing only fans are handicapped when truly analyzing this fight because they have never really seen Conor fight. I love MMA and Boxing. I've seen every Conor fight from his last one in Cage Warriors to everyone of his UFC fights. Ive been watching Floyd since before the Castillo fight.

Like I said, Floyd is going to win handily but people who think that Conor just going to be winging punches and falling over himself are wrong.

[ggsimmonds]

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I think this is a farce and hurts the sport of boxing, but I do want to touch on a few things.

1. Cardio. "That happens when you are in a sport that requires more cardio" Are you saying MMA requires more cardio than boxing? I'll dispute that in general, but when it comes to Floyd no one is topping him in cardio. The guy is a machine. But...

2. People seem to be forgetting Floyd is 40 years old. He is still the smartest boxer in history, but his physical reactions will be slower. A split second is all you need in boxing.

3. Conor's punching power will not scare Floyd. Boxers punch harder than MMA fighters period. Their bodies are machines built for this singular purpose. Floyd has fought many guys that punch harder than Conor

4. Floyd unquestionably has the power to KO Conor, but he doesn't have the will to do so. Earlier in the thread someone said they expect this to be similar to Floyd-Gatti. I don't think so. Floyd doesn't throw combos like he used to and perhaps more importantly, and why I view this as a farce...

5...They are not fighting due to a mutual dislike or competitive drive. They are fighting to make a lot of money. They are probably actually friends and plan on leaving the fight unharmed but richer.

Conor may not land anything of note in the entire fight (which I expect to go the distance), and Floyd will land potshots seemingly at will after the 4th round. But unless something changes before the fight, he will not chain them together. The people forking the money to watch this entertainment event on PPV are getting played.

[Powawolf]

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[aholbert32]

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I think this is a farce and hurts the sport of boxing, but I do want to touch on a few things.

1. Cardio. "That happens when you are in a sport that requires more cardio" Are you saying MMA requires more cardio than boxing? I'll dispute that in general, but when it comes to Floyd no one is topping him in cardio. The guy is a machine. But...

2. People seem to be forgetting Floyd is 40 years old. He is still the smartest boxer in history, but his physical reactions will be slower. A split second is all you need in boxing.

3. Conor's punching power will not scare Floyd. Boxers punch harder than MMA fighters period. Their bodies are machines built for this singular purpose. Floyd has fought many guys that punch harder than Conor

4. Floyd unquestionably has the power to KO Conor, but he doesn't have the will to do so. Earlier in the thread someone said they expect this to be similar to Floyd-Gatti. I don't think so. Floyd doesn't throw combos like he used to and perhaps more importantly, and why I view this as a farce...

5...They are not fighting due to a mutual dislike or competitive drive. They are fighting to make a lot of money. They are probably actually friends and plan on leaving the fight unharmed but richer.

Conor may not land anything of note in the entire fight (which I expect to go the distance), and Floyd will land potshots seemingly at will after the 4th round. But unless something changes before the fight, he will not chain them together. The people forking the money to watch this entertainment event on PPV are getting played.

No one is arguing that Conor has better cardio than Floyd. I will absolutely argue that MMA is more taxing than boxing. Defending and attempting takedowns is one of the most exhausting tasks in combat sports. Clinch and ground grappling is similarly exhausting. Add all that together PLUS the fact that boxing/kickboxing/muay thai is thrown in and I'd argue that its more taxing.

I'm not arguing that boxing isnt taxing....it absolutely is. But MMA in my opinion is more taxing.

[JayBee74]

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3. Conor's punching power will not scare Floyd. Boxers punch harder than MMA fighters period. Their bodies are machines built for this singular purpose. Floyd has fought many guys that punch harder than Conor

Hard to gauge Conor's "boxing power" by watching his MMA fights but I'm not overly impressed with what I've seen on the heavy bag. Thurman and Garcia can hit a lot harder. (IMO)

Ellerbe is telling the press that Floyd is not falling for McGregor's training videos that make him look like an amateur. Is this a psychological ploy by Team Mayweather to drive home the point that Conor's form and development are so bad it can't be real?

If last year's video showing Conor sparring with pro boxer Chris van Heerden is part of the "deception package" then it is highly effective. van Heerden is no slouch but he makes McGregor look pretty bad.

[bigeastbumrush]

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Hard to gauge Conor's "boxing power" by watching his MMA fights but I'm not overly impressed with what I've seen on the heavy bag. Thurman and Garcia can hit a lot harder. (IMO)

Ellerbe is telling the press that Floyd is not falling for McGregor's training videos that make him look like an amateur. Is this a psychological ploy by Team Mayweather to drive home the point that Conor's form and development are so bad it can't be real?

If last year's video showing Conor sparring with pro boxer Chris van Heerden is part of the "deception package" then it is highly effective. van Heerden is no slouch but he makes McGregor look pretty bad.

As aholbert referenced, I went and watch McGregor vs. Alvarez and Siver. And I've now watched McGregor sparring vs. van Heerden.

I don't think the McGregor camp is trying to deceive anyone with the sparring videos. That's just who he is.

He consistently sticks his right arm out like a measuring stick hoping to land a hard left. He's a slow mover and shows little to no head movement.

His left hand is very quick, accurate and powerful.

BTW...that McGregor vs Alvarez fight was a joke. Every time he hit Alvarez, Alvarez fell. Dropped him 3 times in the 1st round. A testament to McGregor's power. But not a good indicator of how that translates to boxing if every time you land a punch, you drop the guy.

[aholbert32]

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As aholbert referenced, I went and watch McGregor vs. Alvarez and Siver. And I've now watched McGregor sparring vs. van Heerden.

I don't think the McGregor camp is trying to deceive anyone with the sparring videos. That's just who he is.

He consistently sticks his right arm out like a measuring stick hoping to land a hard left. He's a slow mover and shows little to no head movement.

His left hand is very quick, accurate and powerful.

BTW...that McGregor vs Alvarez fight was a joke. Every time he hit Alvarez, Alvarez fell. Dropped him 3 times in the 1st round. A testament to McGregor's power. But not a good indicator of how that translates to boxing if every time you land a punch, you drop the guy.

LOL. Alverez is a bit chinny but strangely enough he's hard as **** to finish. You can damn near guarantee that he is going to be rocked in each fight but he finds a way to win fights.

It will be interesting to see whether Conor's style changes a little when he is just boxing. Keep in mind, he keeps his right hand out there to keep distance because he doesnt want someone to shoot for a takedown.

Obviously he wont have to worry about that against Floyd and he's probably better suited to try to pressure Floyd and get inside on him.

[Hiro1]

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Those last 2 days kind of tempered my hype for this. I was really hoping they wouldn't go a certain route narrative wise, but it seemed Mcgregor couldn't avoid stepping in it. Then when criticized for it for it doubled down and made it worse.

At this point I'd rather the fight fall apart than watch to A-holes get paid hundreds of millions of $$$.

I realize they're trying to sell a fight, but normalizing and awarding their behavior just rubs me the wrong way.


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[ggsimmonds]

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No one is arguing that Conor has better cardio than Floyd. I will absolutely argue that MMA is more taxing than boxing. Defending and attempting takedowns is one of the most exhausting tasks in combat sports. Clinch and ground grappling is similarly exhausting. Add all that together PLUS the fact that boxing/kickboxing/muay thai is thrown in and I'd argue that its more taxing.

I'm not arguing that boxing isnt taxing....it absolutely is. But MMA in my opinion is more taxing.

We'll just agree to disagree on this. On a per round basis MMA is more taxing than boxing, but boxing bouts can last 12 rounds. To go the distance in boxing requires more in the tank than MMA. I'm willing to bet any amount of money that the average length of championship boxing fights are longer than that of UFC bouts.

MMA may expend more energy in short bursts, but stamina wise boxing gets the nod.

[JayBee74]

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Boxing After Dark On HBO tonight. (Ring Magazine Ratings)

Miguel Berchelt (No. 4) vs. Takashi Miura (No. 5)
12 rounds – junior lightweights (for Berchelt’s WBC title)

Jezreel Corrales (No. 3) vs. Robinson Castellanos
12 rounds – junior lightweights (for Corrales’ WBA title)

Joe Smith Jr. (No. 5) vs. Sullivan Barrera (No. 8)
12 rounds – light heavyweights

[JayBee74]

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At this point I'd rather the fight fall apart than watch to A-holes get paid hundreds of millions of $$$.

I realize they're trying to sell a fight, but normalizing and awarding their behavior just rubs me the wrong way.

I don't care if either makes money. I have to admit if the fight cost $19.95 I would buy it just to see Floyd work Conor's head like a speed bag.

On the other hand, I would be kind of pissed if both of them were in on the joke and I wasted my $20 on a friendly exhibition.