Head Movement: Final Boss Thread

[Haz____]

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How can you look at these gifs and just go "Nah. We don't want that in the game. Nahhhh. Nope. Would be lame. Nah. Not even real. Only Anderson Silva uses head movement."


Reading this thread makes me feel like i'm smashing my own head into a brick wall repeatedly.

[aholbert32]

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How can you look at these gifs and just go "Nah. We don't want that in the game. Nahhhh. Nope. Would be lame. Nah. Not even real. Only Anderson Silva uses head movement."


Reading this thread makes me feel like i'm smashing my own head into a brick wall repeatedly.

Yeah nobody has said only Silva uses head movement.

Let’s argue actual points that have been made in this thread.


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[Haz____]

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Yeah nobody has said only Silva uses head movement.

Let’s argue actual points that have been made in this thread.

It has been brought up over and over and over and over again that "Only Cody and Silva use headmovement like that"

I think it was YOU who even said
"Only ~5% of fighters actually use headmovement"


Go argue with the people posting incredible gifs and making amazing points. All i'm doing is expressing my intense frustration at the overwhelming dismissiveness being shown in this thread by You, Solid, and GPD.

[Phillyboi207]

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It has been brought up over and over and over and over again that "Only Cody and Silva use headmovement like that"

I think it was YOU who even said
"Only ~5% of fighters actually use headmovement"

I think that’s referring to full 360 head movement. Which yeah the top 1% may use.

[Not_Entertained]

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Funny enough I disagree with this. Decent Head movement is not something everyone posseses. It takes a lot of practice and most fighters are poor at it.

I like the idea of guys with weaker head movement keeping the basic 4 directions and guys with higher head movement having acess to the 8 directions.

Can any gamechangers or GPD please confirm that other post that detailed an improved head movement system was viewed by the Dev team?

If they dont like it then it is what it is. But i want to make sure it was at least looked at. I will literally repost it every page if I have to lol

Head movement is easy and pretty basic (by this, I mean that everyone has "access" to 8 directions but some are better at it than others of course). It's just that most UFC fighters don't have good timing or anticipation in order to utilise it effectively. That's why they probably don't risk it otherwise it would result in them being knocked out. I think it's fine if they give everyone 360 head movement because how good the fighters in-game are with it will be dependent on the player and stats (fighters with better footwork and understanding of body mechanics can do wider and faster/stronger movements).

[Haz____]

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I think that’s referring to full 360 head movement. Which yeah the top 1% may use.

Theres about 10 gifs right above you proving this wrong.

[Solid_Altair]

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Also, really struggling to remember if we are forced to go through centre line when switching so can't answer your question Solid. I do recall being annoyed that punches force your head back to centre though.

We can chain slips wihout going back to center, already.

GPD has confirmed it a recent thread. So, the gradual lean would be all about being able to chaing leans more quickly?

Yes. But the most significant difference shouldn't be in the initial sway (though there should be some difference) it should be in transitioning between sways and the range of motion.

Sorry. I think my question was unclear. I meant: do you think there would be a fifference in the speed of the INPUT? It seems fast enough to flick the stick to the end very quickly, quicker than the fighters would be able to respond to. So, the speed of the input wouldn't actually vary in this regard. Every player (pretty much) would be able to be as fast as it would matter... and the whole difference would come from the stats. Am I reading you right?

[Phillyboi207]

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Theres about 10 gifs right above you proving this wrong.

I mean those are all elite strikers/boxers of the sport.

Most fighters cannot do that.

Head movement is easy and pretty basic (by this, I mean that everyone has "access" to 8 directions but some are better at it than others of course). It's just that most UFC fighters don't have good timing or anticipation in order to utilise it effectively. That's why they probably don't risk it otherwise it would result in them being knocked out. I think it's fine if they give everyone 360 head movement because how good the fighters in-game are with it will be dependent on the player and stats (fighters with better footwork and understanding of body mechanics can do wider and faster/stronger movements).

You are really underestimating the level of footwork required to move your head at all different angles and retain balance.

Most guys can take their head off centerline. Most cant do the stuff in those gifs. Even what Robbie Lawler did against RDA isnt easy and takes a ton of skill. 95% of fighters would just get starched in that situation.

[MalformedDC2009]

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We can chain slips wihout going back to center, already.

GPD has confirmed it a recent thread. So, the gradual lean would be all about being able to chaing leans more quickly?


Sorry. I think my question was unclear. I meant: do you think there would be a fifference in the speed of the INPUT? It seems fast enough to flick the stick to the end very quickly, quicker than the fighters would be able to respond to. So, the speed of the input wouldn't actually vary in this regard. Every player (pretty much) would be able to be as fast as it would matter... and the whole difference would come from the stats. Am I reading you right?

Having the lean animations respond as soon as the right stick is pushed (before going all the way to the end) would definitely increase the speed and effectiveness of the input. I think this would solve a lot of issues people have with the responsiveness of head movement.

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[Not_Entertained]

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I mean those are all elite strikers/boxers of the sport.

Most fighters cannot do that.



You are really underestimating the level of footwork required to move your head at all different angles and retain balance.

Most guys can take their head off centerline. Most cant do the stuff in those gifs. Even what Robbie Lawler did against RDA isnt easy and takes a ton of skill. 95% of fighters would just get starched in that situation.

That's why I said some are better at it than others. But the fact is that everyone can move their head in any direction. Now of course, Anderson Silva type head movement can't be done by your average joe. Which means the solution is to give everyone 360 head movement but include stats too so that you can differentiate between the fighters with poor head movement and good head movement.

[Pappy Knuckles]

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I mean those are all elite strikers/boxers of the sport.

Most fighters cannot do that.



You are really underestimating the level of footwork required to move your head at all different angles and retain balance.

Most guys can take their head off centerline. Most cant do the stuff in those gifs. Even what Robbie Lawler did against RDA isnt easy and takes a ton of skill. 95% of fighters would just get starched in that situation.

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[aholbert32]

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It has been brought up over and over and over and over again that "Only Cody and Silva use headmovement like that"

I think it was YOU who even said
"Only ~5% of fighters actually use headmovement"


Go argue with the people posting incredible gifs and making amazing points. All i'm doing is expressing my intense frustration at the overwhelming dismissiveness being shown in this thread by You, Solid, and GPD.

Basic math.

There are 500 plus fighters in the UFC. Maybe 30 of them chain sways like the .gifs you used. I already said I supported other smaller movement changes and would be cool with 360 for those you use it. If you are going to argue against a point, argue against the whole point. Dont cherry pick things that fit your agenda.

All your doing is trolling and adding nothing to the conversation. If youre frustrated, find a way to channel without just posting useless, inaccurate snarky comments like others are doing. Or if you cant do that....move the **** on.

[Phillyboi207]

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I’m not sure what the issue is here.

I agree on wanting 360 head movement (I’m literally OP lol) but Derrick Lewis should not have it. I’d bet money that literally could not pull it off because he doesnt have the footwork required.

I know some of you have trained and there’s no way you think the average fighter can even attempt to do what Cody did to Cruz.

Unless you want the devs to add fighters literally stumbling from losing their balance trying to attempt it(which would be a waste of resources)

I still think a fair compromise is the 8 way input but most fighters still having 4.

[aholbert32]

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I’m not sure what the issue is here.

I agree on wanting 360 head movement (I’m literally OP lol) but Derrick Lewis should not have it. I’d bet money that literally could not pull it off because he doesnt have the footwork required.

I know some of you have trained and there’s no way you think the average fighter can even attempt to do what Cody did to Cruz.

Unless you want the devs to add fighters literally stumbling from losing their balance trying to attempt it(which would be a waste of resources)

I still think a fair compromise is the 8 way input but most fighters still having 4.

Thats what they want. Which is fine. It will likely take new mo cap or frankensteined together using other animations which could make it look ugly. This whole thing has been more of a wishlist thing for UFC 4 than really viable for 3 given what it would take to implement this right.

[Solid_Altair]

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Having the lean animations respond as soon as the right stick is pushed (before going all the way to the end) would definitely increase the speed and effectiveness of the input. I think this would solve a lot of issues people have with the responsiveness of head movement.

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SUGATA had mentioned that he thought teh deadzone was too wide.

Maybe it would indeed improve things. Or maybe this deadzone was already optimized against accidental inputs, too. I have no idea.