The strongest punishment to side sway spam

[MMA Damage]

Re: The strongest punishment to side sway spam

They will not remove the tekken combos. We've seen gpd defend it already, just as we've seen him ignore the anything about grouping stats together, and say input delay is just a "myth".


I mean people freezing after having a jab slipped is pretty much like the new parry system. The game's such a cheesefest online right now and it doesn't look like it's going to get better soon. Physics are terrible in this game, especially with kicks not registering on opponents swaying or side stepping into them at times and still firing off a combo that rocks you before your leg is back under you.

I think there's a better chance of them updating UFC 2 and making it a better game than this one.

[Solid_Altair]

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I super-duper disagree with MartialMind's suggestion.

I'm only on the fence about it applying to the 1-2 (having it fast enough after a slip, so it oculd intercept a slip counter). I've been suggesting it only for the 1-2, since before the beta, but even in this limitted case I still think it would be a risky change. Having this apply to combos in general would make hard combos waaay toooo strong... like... it would be crazy!

[MMA Damage]

Re: The strongest punishment to side sway spam

I super-duper disagree with MartialMind's suggestion.

I'm only on the fence about it applying to the 1-2 (having it fast enough after a slip, so it oculd intercept a slip counter). I've been suggesting it only for the 1-2, since before the beta, but even in this limitted case I still think it would be a risky change. Having this apply to combos in general would make hard combos waaay toooo strong... like... it would be crazy!

Hard combos gotta go

[Paledude45]

Re: The strongest punishment to side sway spam

I super-duper disagree with MartialMind's suggestion.

I'm only on the fence about it applying to the 1-2 (having it fast enough after a slip, so it oculd intercept a slip counter). I've been suggesting it only for the 1-2, since before the beta, but even in this limitted case I still think it would be a risky change. Having this apply to combos in general would make hard combos waaay toooo strong... like... it would be crazy!

But aren't the hard combos there for us to learn them? If we can't make use of these hard combos, then why are they in the game? I'm all for the removal of queued combinations though not going to happen ever.

What Martial Mind just did was offer a realistic approach to fighting using concrete examples to change an obvious issue with the stand up. Bobbing side to side or ducking every time before throwing a shot is stupid. I'm not sure what solution you have to the obvious head movement problem, but the fact of the matter is you can easily slip the first strike of a combo and counter with an uppercut before the combo is finished. There's no use in throwing or learning these programmed 3-4 strike combinations knowing Conor McGregor can slip the first and rock you with an uppercut.

[Solid_Altair]

Re: The strongest punishment to side sway spam

We can totally make use of them, unless the opponents use very specific counters to catch you in the middle or the end of them.

There are plenty of high utility-3 piece combos and some 4 hits, too. The obvious thing = just gotta set them up. The amount of strikes per combo on competitive fights is looking pretty realistic to me.

[Find_the_Door]

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The fact that Iron_Sharif is back as #1 on ps4 says enough about the head movement spam being too powerful still. That guy was the ultimate duck/sway spammer ever since the game first came out.

Now i guess he's winning more fights because after 100 sways/duck he only needs to get lucky once or twice to finish a fight now with how dangerous knockdowns are now.

I've seen the light.

To be honest he really isn't spamming head movement anymore like he used to. He's more so waiting on single shot counters and timing them. He still does cheese with head movement for sure, but all in all he's abusing the overtuned counters more than anything at this moment.

[magx950]

Re: The strongest punishment to side sway spam

We can totally make use of them, unless the opponents use very specific counters to catch you in the middle or the end of them.

There are plenty of high utility-3 piece combos and some 4 hits, too. The obvious thing = just gotta set them up. The amount of strikes per combo on competitive fights is looking pretty realistic to me.

I can't remember, were you the guy who doesn't play ranked?

[SMOKEZERO]

Re: The strongest punishment to side sway spam

Martial Mind getting loose on the post. Nice! Especially like that same side return Floyd lands on Maidana. Sweet Gifs and featuring the Real Deal too. People mad about the hard combos locking players down. Tier 1 can slip after 2 strikes, but low rated head movement can't. 3 or more. I really believe increasing player movement speed only would help a bunch. Leave slip speed and strike speeds the same. Movement is too predictable and easy to read at the moment.


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[Solid_Altair]

Re: The strongest punishment to side sway spam

I can't remember, were you the guy who doesn't play ranked?

I play it, but I have only 99 fights. My score only 1515.

From what I see of the high level players on ESFL, though, the combos seem to be in a good place. I saw a very a good variety in the last card.

[magx950]

Re: The strongest punishment to side sway spam

I play it, but I have only 99 fights. My score only 1515.

From what I see of the high level players on ESFL, though, the combos seem to be in a good place. I saw a very a good variety in the last card.

it wasn't a criticism of you and wasn't really mega related to the thread, i was just curious

[Solid_Altair]

Re: The strongest punishment to side sway spam

it wasn't a criticism of you and wasn't really mega related to the thread, i was just curious

It's cool. It was a fair question, too.

[savage8_8]

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So I finally have read through this entire thread. I don't think there is a problem with the head movement itself. Its the fact that the counters to the head movement aren't as strong. You can see this in all the videos posted. When I catch someone in a sway when I have full stamina they should get flattened. You see people countering the head movement but they have to do it over and over again. The person who lands the slip counter only has to do it 1 time for a rock. This is where risk/reward is off. I am against the stamina tax bc it won't solve this issue. Players like this will simply pick the guy with the best stamina and stay at advantage. Somehow the vulnerability needs to be way up while swaying. You should be afraid to sway like that in front of a mark hunt or a dos Santos. And if I catch you doing this once, you should be on the canvas or rocked. One thing undisputed 3 did was the beautiful intercept knee. Evry fighter had it. The timing was very tight but if you landed this while a fighter shot for a takedown it was an Insta rock...every time. This made guys think twice about not setting up take downs. The same kind of thing needs to happen here. The timing is very tight to catch a swayer. So if I do they should be seeing stars.

[zephenom]

Re: The strongest punishment to side sway spam

Exactly, the damage you get from sways vs the damage you get from landing clean shots or any other type of counter is messed up I think.

Just watch this clip :
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Look at the amount of clean strikes landed by Gaethje, some of them clearly on vulnerability states : no big deal. Yet Diaz slips a jab and get an insta rock counter

[AlEx3KillA]

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The problem is not the damage of the sways the problem is that they spam them all fight long.The only fix for that is the stamina tax nothing else can make people stop use it soo much

[savage8_8]

Re: The strongest punishment to side sway spam

The problem is not the damage of the sways the problem is that they spam them all fight long.The only fix for that is the stamina tax nothing else can make people stop use it soo much

If I rock someone who uses a sway ill guarantee they'll stop using it unless they wanna get KOd. The stamina tax will only make these guys choose guys with high stamina. It doesn't solve the problem where someone has low stamina, fishes using the sway, then knocks out a guy who has way more stamina. This would be fine if when I countered the head movement the swayer gets planted on the floor