The strongest punishment to side sway spam

[AlEx3KillA]

Re: The strongest punishment to side sway spam

If I rock someone who uses a sway ill guarantee they'll stop using it unless they wanna get KOd. The stamina tax will only make these guys choose guys with high stamina. It doesn't solve the problem where someone has low stamina, fishes using the sway, then knocks out a guy who has way more stamina. This would be fine if when I countered the head movement the swayer gets planted on the floor

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Maybe you can rock them but allot of people cant and they keep spamming it

[savage8_8]

Re: The strongest punishment to side sway spam

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Maybe you can rock them but allot of people cant and they keep spamming it

That's a skill issue. If you practice you can counter this. I'm not a top player at all but I'm able to counter this with tge strategies that everyone has submitted. The problem is its way harder for me to counter it and the reward is nowhere near as big versus swaying like crazy. People don't taunt a lot in this game. That's bc you get blasted if your caught while doing it. You can apply the same thing here. If someone who has low stamina can still knock you out using this....how is the stamina tax gonna solve it?

[Phillyboi207]

Re: The strongest punishment to side sway spam

If I rock someone who uses a sway ill guarantee they'll stop using it unless they wanna get KOd. The stamina tax will only make these guys choose guys with high stamina. It doesn't solve the problem where someone has low stamina, fishes using the sway, then knocks out a guy who has way more stamina. This would be fine if when I countered the head movement the swayer gets planted on the floor

I’d be okay with high stamina guys constantly swaying tho. Generally they have less power.

I would consider that a success

Edit: also losing stamina for it means the counter has less power and when you hit them it’ll do more damage.

[Boiler569]

Re: The strongest punishment to side sway spam

To be honest he really isn't spamming head movement anymore like he used to. He's more so waiting on single shot counters and timing them. He still does cheese with head movement for sure, but all in all he's abusing the overtuned counters more than anything at this moment.

Let's just say that at Launch (pre body punch nerf) I was 1-0 against him

After Body Punch Nerf but Pre-Patch I was 0-5 against hiim

Post-Patch I'm 1-1

So the patch did help But...yea....very frustrating dude to fight

[bmlimo]

Re: The strongest punishment to side sway spam

Yh i feel the combo system is one of the worst features of the game. Quickly inputting a combo strike for extra speed feels too much like tekken. I dont mind the qwerky ones like the whiff kick into the spinning backfist etc, but these guys spamming the 3-4 punch combos in quick succession feels so unreal. I would rather them made a combo list that the fighter normally throws in their fight but no extra combo speed or anything.

No problem in have a combo list... makes things more realistic... but... extra speed for combos sucks and it’s really arcade

[savage8_8]

Re: The strongest punishment to side sway spam

I’d be okay with high stamina guys constantly swaying tho. Generally they have less power.

I would consider that a success

Edit: also losing stamina for it means the counter has less power and when you hit them it’ll do more damage.

If a fighter has less stamina they should have less power. Currently the stamina isn't that much of a factor when you get slip countered. I like that the slip counters have power. What I don't like is I have to make multiple reads to severely damage my opponent. If I land an uppercut on a ducker and he falls to the ground or gets rocked problem solved.

[Phillyboi207]

Re: The strongest punishment to side sway spam

If a fighter has less stamina they should have less power. Currently the stamina isn't that much of a factor when you get slip countered. I like that the slip counters have power. What I don't like is I have to make multiple reads to severely damage my opponent. If I land an uppercut on a ducker and he falls to the ground or gets rocked problem solved.

That is how it works

Part of the problem is when they slip you they dont lose any stamina while you lose some for throwing the punch and for whiffing

When you hit them they are at max stamina while you lose some for swinging at them

[MMAnimal]

Re: The strongest punishment to side sway spam

Let's just say that at Launch (pre body punch nerf) I was 1-0 against him

After Body Punch Nerf but Pre-Patch I was 0-5 against hiim

Post-Patch I'm 1-1

So the patch did help But...yea....very frustrating dude to fight

There's definitely a problem with the game if Sharif is #1, you can count on him to figure out the most effective cheese in any game. Iron Sharif? More like the BIG CHEESE

[savage8_8]

Re: The strongest punishment to side sway spam

That is how it works

Part of the problem is when they slip you they dont lose any stamina while you lose some for throwing the punch and for whiffing

When you hit them they are at max stamina while you lose some for swinging at them

That shouldn't be a problem though imo. If I successfully slip my opponent, he should lose stamina for the missed strike. Right now it isn't risky to use head movement so the swayer can freely do this without much penalty. If I catch the swayer clean 5 times in his sway animations I might get a rock 2 out of those 5 times. If the opponent sways 100 times, slips 1 punch, then lands a counter....I get rocked. That's where the balance is off. If I catch you clean during a sway you should be rocked.

[Phillyboi207]

Re: The strongest punishment to side sway spam

That shouldn't be a problem though imo. If I successfully slip my opponent, he should lose stamina for the missed strike. Right now it isn't risky to use head movement so the swayer can freely do this without much penalty. If I catch the swayer clean 5 times in his sway animations I might get a rock 2 out of those 5 times. If the opponent sways 100 times, slips 1 punch, then lands a counter....I get rocked. That's where the balance is off. If I catch you clean during a sway you should be rocked.

There should be no guarantees and it should depend on your fighters

Maia shouldnt be rocking Woodley everytime he catches him.

You’re trying to nerf head movement to the point of it being useless lol.

It should still be very viable for certain fighters. Just not for everyone.

[savage8_8]

Re: The strongest punishment to side sway spam

There should be no guarantees and it should depend on your fighters

Maia shouldnt be rocking Woodley everytime he catches him.

You’re trying to nerf head movement to the point of it being useless lol.

It should still be very viable for certain fighters. Just not for everyone.

Not at all. Head movement would still be very strong as is. I would want buffs to the counters against head movement. Head movement would be far from useless if you can rock someone every time from a slip counter. And anyone can get caught. very unlikely that maia rocks the **** out of woodley but if Woodley was doing crazy *** swaying and giving him an opening you can bet your last dollar anyone on the roster could rock him.

[MartialMind]

Re: The strongest punishment to side sway spam

This is probably the most relevant Gif to further demonstrate the point that a a buff to combos will fix this Head movement issue.



This is a sequence we see OFTEN in the game. You queue a combo starting with the jab, the opponent ducks the jab and hits you with an uppercut before your next strike can land.

Here, we see Paul Felder go for a classic Jab-Straight-Left Hook. Ross ducks the Jab, goes to counter with an uppercut but because ducking the Jab didn't slow down the straight, the straight lands clean and he also eats the left hook.

[Boiler569]

Re: The strongest punishment to side sway spam

This is probably the most relevant Gif to further demonstrate the point that a a buff to combos will fix this Head movement issue.



This is a sequence we see OFTEN in the game. You queue a combo starting with the jab, the opponent ducks the jab and hits you with an uppercut before your next strike can land.

Here, we see Paul Felder go for a classic Jab-Straight-Left Hook. Ross ducks the Jab, goes to counter with an uppercut but because ducking the Jab didn't slow down the straight, the straight lands clean and he also eats the left hook.

Yup for sure I like it

That said, a buff to combos needs to come along with a slightly increased stamina tax on missed/blocked strikes, or all we'll see is 1-2-1-2 all day

[MartialMind]

Re: The strongest punishment to side sway spam

Yup for sure I like it

That said, a buff to combos needs to come along with a slightly increased stamina tax on missed/blocked strikes, or all we'll see is 1-2-1-2 all day

Stamina tax on blocked strikes is a buff to block and we really don't want players blocking more and the aggressive fighter being taxed too much, so I'm not even sure that's needed.

Stamina tax on missed strikes in my opinion is in a good place right now. Like if you face an opponent who is throwing non-stop, if you just time your sways and make them miss (Without trying to counter) you'll notice that their stamina shoots down fast.

So even with a buff to combos, if players use head movement defensively most of the time and only counter when they are sure it'll land, players that throw combos non-stop will gas quick.

[TheJamesKraus]

Re: The strongest punishment to side sway spam

Maybe a higher stamina drain on missed slipping strikes, compared to normal strikes. Since everyone and their brother fishes for slip n rip.

I would also like to see kicks get a buff because as it is now, you land a liver kick flush and they can still come up with a duck uppercut. Probably something to do with the vulnerability stage or w.e but imagine taking a liver kick from Luke Rockhold or Edson Barboza... it would take you a few seconds to get your senses back.

That brings me onto another thing aswell - kicks are still far too easily caught and most of the time I just abandon them completely. It doesnt matter if you are playing as an elite kicker aswell, you still get 8/10 kicks caught. You should definitely be at risk when facing an elite kicker, the same as when facing someone with heavy hands, or a fighter who has superior BJJ, superior wrestling.