How is outside fighting considered OP?

[johnmangala]

Re: How is outside fighting considered OP?

That's how movement works currently. It's only because the camera rotates that it feels like you're auto circling.

Unless you mean not face your opponent at all when holding this button, in which case no that would look horrible and open up a world of problems.

I disagree. I think trying movement to the cage is more realistic and opens up more avenues. You still would have movement tied to the opponent, but you would have more free movement. Which is more natural and realistic.

Other games have done this and it works well.

This type of movement is not possible in the game but should be.

[GeneratedName3542]

Re: How is outside fighting considered OP?

I disagree. I think trying movement to the cage is more realistic and opens up more avenues. You still would have movement tied to the opponent, but you would have more free movement. Which is more natural and realistic.

Other games have done this and it works well.

This type of movement is not possible in the game but should be.

What I was suggesting was a little subtler. I wish stuff like that was possible too, but actually making a system to determine which animations to use for those would probably be nerely impossible and definitely inconsistent.

[ungorborongo]

Re: How is outside fighting considered OP?

I disagree. I think trying movement to the cage is more realistic and opens up more avenues. You still would have movement tied to the opponent, but you would have more free movement. Which is more natural and realistic.

Other games have done this and it works well.

This type of movement is not possible in the game but should be.

the problem is, how do you actually do this?

i think it needs to be done to add a lot of depth eventually, but I don't see how you actually do this in terms of how you make the controls work for where the character is looking and what the camera is doing. it would be mad janky.

[FCB x Finlay]

Re: How is outside fighting considered OP?

Hello it looks like I've missed a bunch of bullsh1te. GPD im sorry what you said about adding in movement for pressure first it is ridiculous, you can literally hold forward they entire fight and be in someones face. Im not a pressure fighter and i posted a clip of me doing it to a reasonably high level player in tannic tomb.

Buff pressure first is completely against logic, its already the norm, why add to it. It needs t be be balanced in terms of movment first, which the ability to create and maintian space is non existant, like you cant argue its not. The magnetic punch slides, the speed of the teep and side kicks, movement being associated with the opponents position over the cage, lunges not creating space just evading, the new back animations stamina deficit.

What favours pure movement and outside fighting over pressure fighting.

[FCB x Finlay]

Re: How is outside fighting considered OP?

the problem is, how do you actually do this?

i think it needs to be done to add a lot of depth eventually, but I don't see how you actually do this in terms of how you make the controls work for where the character is looking and what the camera is doing. it would be mad janky.

This is a bit much imo,would have to redo the foundations of movement itself for this. Just a method of circling at distance will be fine.

[GameplayDevUFC]

Re: How is outside fighting considered OP?

movement being associated with the opponents position over the cage

Only because no one seems to believe me on this, you have complete control over your movement and can move in a perfectly straight line along the cage if you input as such on the controller.

Here's proof, easy to see when you take the camera out of the equation.

The blue line is where I'm pressing on the stick.

As you can see, no auto circling, movement is not based on your opponent's position.

Complete control over direction.

[ungorborongo]

Re: How is outside fighting considered OP?

This is a bit much imo,would have to redo the foundations of movement itself for this. Just a method of circling at distance will be fine.

I mean obviously this isn't something that will be done any time soon, but maybe if VR ever actually does blow up it'll be workable in UFC VR lmao

I think it would add a ton to wrestling depth if you could actually get behind your opponent though or at different side angles like so you could shoot a single leg. Imagine being able to do duck unders, that would be so much fun.

Btw, are we ever gona get a real single leg shot and TDD animation? like not a high crotch but a traditional single?

[ungorborongo]

Re: How is outside fighting considered OP?

Only because no one seems to believe me on this, you have complete control over your movement and can move in a perfectly straight line along the cage if you input as such on the controller.

Here's proof, easy to see when you take the camera out of the equation.

The blue line is where I'm pressing on the stick.

As you can see, no auto circling, movement is not based on your opponent's position.

Complete control over direction.

I think you're misunderstanding what people are saying here.

We're saying we don't want the fighters to always be facing eachother while moving. The side movement is still you locked on and side stepping. They want angling.

you're literally locked on to the opponent. how can you say it is not based on them? they are always forward.

[Phillyboi207]

Re: How is outside fighting considered OP?

It’s not a question of evasion. It’s creating and maintaining distance.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=5ckJzUHHdxA

All the strikes are evaded. Look how they both travel from center of the octogon to the cage and there’s no distance created.

Any thoughts on this video GPD?

I feel like this is one of the main issues. The sliding and magnetic striking is crazy.

[GameplayDevUFC]

Re: How is outside fighting considered OP?

I think you're misunderstanding what people are saying here.

We're saying we don't want the fighters to always be facing eachother while moving. The side movement is still you locked on and side stepping. They want angling.

you're literally locked on to the opponent. how can you say it is not based on them? they are always forward.

Because you would gain zero advantage from facing a different direction. It would have no impact on anything, and it would open up the game to looking really dumb.

What is material to the discussion is where you move.

And that you have complete control over.

[johnmangala]

Re: How is outside fighting considered OP?

Because you would gain zero advantage from facing a different direction. It would have no impact on anything, and it would open up the game to looking really dumb.

What is material to the discussion is where you move.

And that you have complete control over.

Completely wrong.

Have you not considered the angles to the back? A large part of footwork is working angles which you can't really do in this game when the opponent is programmed to track your movement along.

[FCB x Finlay]

Re: How is outside fighting considered OP?

Only because no one seems to believe me on this, you have complete control over your movement and can move in a perfectly straight line along the cage if you input as such on the controller.

Here's proof, easy to see when you take the camera out of the equation.

The blue line is where I'm pressing on the stick.

As you can see, no auto circling, movement is not based on your opponent's position.

Complete control over direction.

Thanks for the response and game footage, now it may look like what you have shown shows what yo uthink but it doesnt unfortantantly.

http://xboxdvr.com/gamer/fcb-x-finlay-x/video/48618318 in game this happens, im literally holding nothing but forward here to maintain this distance, he is moving stide to side but the tracking allows me to just follow him directly, not cut him off, just follow. This ends up in your idea of circling being OP, I cant neither cut him off using IRL mechanics and he cannot circling out effectivly without still being within my range.

[ungorborongo]

Re: How is outside fighting considered OP?

Because you would gain zero advantage from facing a different direction. It would have no impact on anything, and it would open up the game to looking really dumb.

What is material to the discussion is where you move.

And that you have complete control over.

dang dude

apparently a huge part of MMA is always being square to your opponent. Angling doesn't mean ****! I'm glad it wouldn't have any impact on anything to shoot for a single leg on a different angle rather than square.

[GameplayDevUFC]

Re: How is outside fighting considered OP?

dang dude

apparently a huge part of MMA is always being square to your opponent. Angling doesn't mean ****! I'm glad it wouldn't have any impact on anything to shoot for a single leg on a different angle rather than square.

Way to take things completely out of context.

You're not helping your argument one bit.

[GameplayDevUFC]

Re: How is outside fighting considered OP?

Completely wrong.

Have you not considered the angles to the back? A large part of footwork is working angles which you can't really do in this game when the opponent is programmed to track your movement along.

Do you think the game would automatically give you a back take if we changed the facing angle, or do you think that would be a new feature that would have to be built with new animations?

Now I remember why I didn't want to participate in this thread.