How is outside fighting considered OP?

[bmlimo]

Re: How is outside fighting considered OP?

Setting aside the semantic details of outside fighting vs fighting on the back foot, doe sthat Aldo vs Holloway fight serve as evidence that that diagonal retreat angle is OP?

Serve as an example that Aldo can’t handle outside pressure kkk
He was at the end of every single jab and just couldn’t counter because he was to far from max...but if it was in the game Aldo strike foward would actually hit max and put him chest to chest with max....
Ps Aldo did an amazing job swaying in the first 2 ... but max used his reach and pressure to break Aldo

[bmlimo]

Re: How is outside fighting considered OP?

You're welcome.

I think that angle allows him to retreat considerably, enjoying the benefits of an almost full retreat (whiff baiting, recovery and forcing the opponent to throw advancing {slower} attacks)... while also circle quickly enough to never hit the cage. I think retreats should feel more like a limited resource, maybe along with the compensation of making them even better, somehow.

As I remember .. he was controlling the distance but also in the center of the cage... he was using attack as a defense Aldo was always dodging a strike and countering the wind

[FCB x Finlay]

Re: How is outside fighting considered OP?

As I remember .. he was controlling the distance but also in the center of the cage... he was using attack as a defense Aldo was always dodging a strike and countering the wind

Hes not on about thr rl fight, hes on about the footage he posted.

[FCB x Finlay]

Re: How is outside fighting considered OP?

You're welcome.

I think that angle allows him to retreat considerably, enjoying the benefits of an almost full retreat (whiff baiting, recovery and forcing the opponent to throw advancing {slower} attacks)... while also circle quickly enough to never hit the cage. I think retreats should feel more like a limited resource, maybe along with the compensation of making them even better, somehow.

Are we talking about the nextgen mma clip. Cause i have to disagree with your assement of what happened, i dont believe the max figher is genuinly trying to pressure the whole time, you can see when he does as they are chest to chest. Aldo actually did what holloway did in aldo vs max 1 irl, circling away from the powerside, this is what fighting should look like. Nothing done was op, just one fighter had a better understanding of dictaking where the strikes were taking place, everything was done behind an uppercur or a hook, jabs and straights were lmly thrown to break maxs block plus slow his movement down. Proof of this is in the finish, it starts from an uppercut rock after ducking a uppercut from max, then landing a headkcik while max was rocked.

[Solid_Altair]

Re: How is outside fighting considered OP?

Are we talking about the nextgen mma clip. Cause i have to disagree with your assement of what happened, i dont believe the max figher is genuinly trying to pressure the whole time, you can see when he does as they are chest to chest. Aldo actually did what holloway did in aldo vs max 1 irl, circling away from the powerside, this is what fighting should look like. Nothing done was op, just one fighter had a better understanding of dictaking where the strikes were taking place, everything was done behind an uppercur or a hook, jabs and straights were lmly thrown to break maxs block plus slow his movement down. Proof of this is in the finish, it starts from an uppercut rock after ducking a uppercut from max, then landing a headkcik while max was rocked.

I don't think Max was trying to pressure all the time. But Aldo is basically retretaing all the time, at an angle that lets him keep retreating. The availability of a perpetual retreat is what I have a problem with.

[FCB x Finlay]

Re: How is outside fighting considered OP?

I don't think Max was trying to pressure all the time. But Aldo is basically retretaing all the time, at an angle that lets him keep retreating. The availability of a perpetual retreat is what I have a problem with.

Your confusing retreart with circling here, look at aldos positioning, he it technically always moving away, its how circling works in the instance

[Solid_Altair]

Re: How is outside fighting considered OP?

Your confusing retreart with circling here, look at aldos positioning, he it technically always moving away, its how circling works in the instance

It's not a retreat straight back, but he is retreating.

[FCB x Finlay]

Re: How is outside fighting considered OP?

It's not a retreat straight back, but he is retreating.

Think of his movement as a circle, his oppenent is in front of him. Of course its retreating but its at an angle hes doing a loop of the small octagon basically

[FCB x Finlay]

Re: How is outside fighting considered OP?

So by the end of this dscussion i believe we can conculed that outside fighting is not over powered and to be honest is not possible.

If anyone has anymore points to raise thats fair enought but tbh they will go down like the rest and that is wrong or irelavant. GPD im sorry your wrong on this issue and the suggestions left either must be added or the tools avialable must be improved, if you don't recognise this im not sure what else we can do, it will result in a uncomplete game that doesnt have the basics of striking done and therefore not a viavle MMA game.

[Phillyboi207]

Re: How is outside fighting considered OP?

So by the end of this dscussion i believe we can conculed that outside fighting is not over powered and to be honest is not possible.

If anyone has anymore points to raise thats fair enought but tbh they will go down like the rest and that is wrong or irelavant. GPD im sorry your wrong on this issue and the suggestions left either must be added or the tools avialable must be improved, if you don't recognise this im not sure what else we can do, it will result in a uncomplete game that doesnt have the basics of striking done and therefore not a viavle MMA game.

GPD already acknowledged that maintaining space is an issue. It sounds like he wants to make sure there’s a reliable method for cutting off the cage before buffing it.

I think that’s more than fair. He also liked the shuffle idea so all we can do is wait at this point.

I hope people start focusing on grappling more so this game can be balanced between the 2

[FCB x Finlay]

Re: How is outside fighting considered OP?

GPD already acknowledged that maintaining space is an issue. It sounds like he wants to make sure there’s a reliable method for cutting off the cage before buffing it.


I think that’s more than fair. He also liked the shuffle idea so all we can do is wait at this point.

I hope people start focusing on grappling more so this game can be balanced between the 2

I completely understand if they want to move focus to grappling, if that means striking wont be focused or changed however i believe thats an issue. Outside fighting has had little to know attention and anything that has been changed has been instantly undone. Everything tbh on this game needs a change or update tbh.

All i have seen GPD acknowledge is that circling is OP apparantly which is wrong and nothing else, if you could fine what you say that would be nice thanks.

[Phillyboi207]

Re: How is outside fighting considered OP?

I agree that it is too difficult to maintain space, but I'd also argue it takes a lot more skill at the moment to close the distance. By that I mean, close the distance without losing.

Being aggressive opens you up to many problems you have to deal with, but is easy to do.

Retreating doesn't open you up to anything at all really. But creating and maintaining space is harder than advancing.

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He literally agrees it’s too difficult to maintain space. He also liked the thread regarding the lateral shuffle.

So there’s hope. Btw they’ve made a lot of changes to help outside fighting by virtue of making it more difficult to lead.

I dunno what else you want bro. It sounds like it’s on the radar and we have at least 2 GCs fighting for it as well.

[Morgan Monkman]

Re: How is outside fighting considered OP?

They need to stop only working on one area of the game and have a spread out progression.

Id rather everything progress slowly with the kinks work out instead of a sole focus on different areas of the game

[bmlimo]

Re: How is outside fighting considered OP?

They need to stop only working on one area of the game and have a spread out progression.

Id rather everything progress slowly with the kinks work out instead of a sole focus on different areas of the game

Yeah it’s really like 2 games in one, a striking game and an other grappling game and an abyss between them ... they need to buff takedowns, clinch entry’s and nerf single collar speed entry... single collar is the most annoying thing in this game right now... but it can’t be nerfed b4 they fix takedown and other clinch entries

[Solid_Altair]

Re: How is outside fighting considered OP?

So by the end of this dscussion i believe we can conculed that outside fighting is not over powered and to be honest is not possible.

If anyone has anymore points to raise thats fair enought but tbh they will go down like the rest and that is wrong or irelavant. GPD im sorry your wrong on this issue and the suggestions left either must be added or the tools avialable must be improved, if you don't recognise this im not sure what else we can do, it will result in a uncomplete game that doesnt have the basics of striking done and therefore not a viavle MMA game.

Nope.