EA UFC 3 or Undisputed 3 ground game?

[Supreme_Bananas]

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When players can duck on an MMA game, they just do it whenever you’re not 100% sure you can beat the guy. You don’t even have to be elite, if you’ve established that you’re a tough fight, you’re gonna get ducked relentlessly. “Why fight this guy, risk an L on my record, when I can easily back out and fight someone else?” Even good players ducked each other. It was horrible. There were so many accounts on UD3 with like 100-0 records. Those accounts were like lightning with how fast they would leave a lobby. If you blink, you’d miss it.

I’m not saying everyone did that. There were a few guys who didn’t care who they played. But it was bad, especially for an established grappler like myself. This was back in the dark ages of MMA gaming when wrestling was still viewed as basically hacking.

I remember I would get home from work, open a lobby, turn my TV volume to 100, and go do other **** waiting for that “boom” ready up noise. I would get so excited like “FINALLY” and sprint to my xbox before they leave. Only to find they’re like, a complete novice, or picking a 100 caf, etc.

It sucked. In the rare event someone readied up, there was still only a 1 in 10 chance the guy was skilled enough to make it fun, wouldn’t rage quit, understood grappling and actually appreciated MMA.

When that DID happen (maybe once a day, if you stayed on long enough), it was the best MMA game to date. Undisputed 3, sim energy, with the right dance partner, just had a buzz to it.

Shout out to guys like H3ltersk3lter/Whiskey Sippins, BurningxSpirit, ImmortalKrop, and the few other guys who knew how to have good, spam-free matches on UD3.

Oh yeah I remember this, and also that boom sound you were talking about haha. That's why I was so conflicted about the WW Div as well. My favorite character was in there (Thiago Alves), but it was also the GSP division, and GSP was so boring to fight . I considered myself a 40% striker and 60% grappler (I used the clinch a lot with Thiago) but even if I knew I was a better grappler, GSP still made things very difficult.

[bmlimo]

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Well, as much I hate the arcade elements in striking, we have the best striking in mma game in ea ufc 3, and they changed it all from ea ufc 1 and 2...
I believe if they make the same move for ea ufc 4 we would have a better grappling system, I don’t believe this grappling system will be ever satisfactory this fundamentals in deny and pass, fill the meter and etc will always make the system slow, unresponsive and boring.

[MacAttack33]

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Well, as much I hate the arcade elements in striking, we have the best striking in mma game in ea ufc 3, and they changed it all from ea ufc 1 and 2...
I believe if they make the same move for ea ufc 4 we would have a better grappling system, I don’t believe this grappling system will be ever satisfactory this fundamentals in deny and pass, fill the meter and etc will always make the system slow, unresponsive and boring.

EA UFC 3 does have the best striking in an MMA game ever, period. A complete overhaul like this for grappling (not the whole game) is totally necessary for UFC 4 to fix those boring and slow elements you just described.

The current grappling system can never be satisfactory until this happens.

[1212headkick]

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There is nothing "easy" about what you just described.

One minute you tell me these animations dont exist and now they do. The point is very simple and clear. Aesthetically or functionality people dont like or want this current system. Its not your job as a gamechanger to make excuses why the community is wrong on what wee the customer want. The video game industry has changed so much as far as ethics. You use to have to ship a complete game that was right the first time. Completely different nowadays. You told us wed get ground sways and other ud3 features. Where are they? This is the second or third poll where people called unanimously for the ea grappling system to be scrapped. Its not graphically pleasant or intuitive. And why were denials so much more fluid and reactionary? The delay from this games netcode can be felt on the ground. Its why grappling on ps4 and xbox are very different. Look we dont really want to go back and forth. We want you to get things done. Not derail threads. You even told us the game was going to be more like undisputed. What about this game besides strike cancels is like ud3? Nothing. We want the training modes pride modes and virtually every ground mechanic. Your a community ambassador. You fight us on what we want done every chance youget. People said I was wrong about outside fighting too.

[MacAttack33]

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One minute you tell me these animations dont exist and now they do. The point is very simple and clear. Aesthetically or functionality people dont like or want this current system. Its not your job as a gamechanger to make excuses why the community is wrong on what wee the customer want. The video game industry has changed so much as far as ethics. You use to have to ship a complete game that was right the first time. Completely different nowadays. You told us wed get ground sways and other ud3 features. Where are they? This is the second or third poll where people called unanimously for the ea grappling system to be scrapped. Its not graphically pleasant or intuitive. And why were denials so much more fluid and reactionary? The delay from this games netcode can be felt on the ground. Its why grappling on ps4 and xbox are very different. Look we dont really want to go back and forth. We want you to get things done. Not derail threads. You even told us the game was going to be more like undisputed. What about this game besides strike cancels is like ud3? Nothing. We want the training modes pride modes and virtually every ground mechanic. Your a community ambassador. You fight us on what we want done every chance youget. People said I was wrong about outside fighting too.

After multiple polls where the community voted for a UD3 ground game over the one we have, I would like to know what the plan is for UFC 4.

Will the community be heard, or will we keep getting more of the same and like it?

[1212headkick]

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I think it’s best just to shut him out from now on. Every thread he talks in gets derailed. No disrespect he was good in the past when it came to outside fighting but he adamantly fights the community on this issue.

[1212headkick]

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Unless it’s martial mind zombie Rommel or zhunter I really don’t respect their opinions as gcs and I often am on in disagreeing sides with both Rommel and z(except on grappling) every other gc just feels like filler. Not actually getting anything done. I say this with the utmost respect.

[1212headkick]

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I have even heard him tell us that if they didn’t or did make improvements to the game it would not matter because “we’d buy it anyway”. Again I have no bad blood with him. He just makes very questionable comments when it comes to regards of who he is suppose to represent.

[aholbert32]

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One minute you tell me these animations dont exist and now they do. The point is very simple and clear. Aesthetically or functionality people dont like or want this current system. Its not your job as a gamechanger to make excuses why the community is wrong on what wee the customer want. The video game industry has changed so much as far as ethics. You use to have to ship a complete game that was right the first time. Completely different nowadays. You told us wed get ground sways and other ud3 features. Where are they? This is the second or third poll where people called unanimously for the ea grappling system to be scrapped. Its not graphically pleasant or intuitive. And why were denials so much more fluid and reactionary? The delay from this games netcode can be felt on the ground. Its why grappling on ps4 and xbox are very different. Look we dont really want to go back and forth. We want you to get things done. Not derail threads. You even told us the game was going to be more like undisputed. What about this game besides strike cancels is like ud3? Nothing. We want the training modes pride modes and virtually every ground mechanic. Your a community ambassador. You fight us on what we want done every chance youget. People said I was wrong about outside fighting too.

Look man. You have to chill out with your obsession when it comes to me. I don’t even address you anymore.

No one is making excuses. I’m giving people insight and context. Mac’s post read as if hypothetically using ud3’s animations would be easy. I explained that it wasn’t. That’s it




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[1212headkick]

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Look man. You have to chill out with your obsession when it comes to me. I don’t even address you anymore.

No one is making excuses. I’m giving people insight and context. Mac’s post read as if hypothetically using ud3’s animations would be easy. I explained that it wasn’t. That’s it




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Please don’t deflect real questions with bs answers. I’m not obsessesed with you. I obsess over game strategy details how to demolish my opponents you aren’t the least of worries unless your making bad decisions in regards to where the game gets steered. It’s safe to say a good portion of the community feels the same way about you. I always see you derailing threads my brother. Anytime ud3 is brought up you fight and fight and fight it some more. I don’t care about you as a person (no offense not in a cold way) but you steer the game torwards places that directly hinder my and many more players experiences. When it comes to the game alone is where I take an issue with you. Honestly your an offline player. So most of what you talk about means very little to me. Except when you speak on areas that are gamechanging no pun intended

[aholbert32]

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Please don’t deflect real questions with bs answers. I’m not obsessesed with you. I obsess over game strategy details how to demolish my opponents you aren’t the least of worries unless your making bad decisions in regards to where the game gets steered. It’s safe to say a good portion of the community feels the same way about you. I always see you detailing threads my brother. Anytime ud3 is brought up you fight and fight and fight it some more. I don’t care about you as a person (no offense not in a cold way) but you steer the game torwards places that directly hinder my and many more players experiences. When it comes to the game alone is where I take an issue with you. Honestly your an offline player. So most of what you talk about means very little to me. Except when you speak on areas that area gamechanging no pun intended

- I'm not your brother.

- There are tons of UD3 threads, I dont even post in. Lets not make up **** to make a point. Whats funny is TODAY, I just had a long discussion with the other GCs about the grappling system and I posted pro UD3 posts from this thread. I'm actively reminding the team about what SOME of the community is asking for. I'm actively encouraging the devs and the GCs to not just consider what top online players want.

- For someone who doesnt seem to care about me, you seem to address me often (You even made up a lie (another one) about me saying they were adding ground sways the other day). I dont mention you at all.

- This isnt intended as a personal attack. I hate your writing style which is unclear most of the time. I hate that you refuse to use paragraphs. I hate that people will try to have honest debates with you and you will either lie or move the goalposts to justify your shaky points. I dont think you add much to the community at all. I feel the same way about that kid who likes all your posts too. Everytime you guys have been banned, the community has been fine. No one even noticed you were gone.

With that said, I let you live. I try to only respond to the most ridiculous posts you make. I even stopped doing that recently because its a waste of time.

So here is the deal. You do you and I'll do me. Put me on ignore or whatever it takes to keep my name out of your mouth. Deal?

[Phillyboi207]

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Ahobert has done an amazing job arguing for sliders and updating the stats regarding the current cast. He just isnt caught up in nolstagia like some of you. I say this as someone that disagrees with him on a lot of things.

Good Grappler is as obsessed with grappling as anyone and gave a very fair review of both games. Yes UD3 is better in some aspects but restarting the ground game from nothing doesnt help anyone. We should be fighting to add the things that you like about UD3 not taking away everything from EA UFC grappling.

If you can really sit there and act like there’s nothing EA does better in terms of grappling you’re just fanboying hard and your opinion shouldnt be taken seriously.

[bmlimo]

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Guys I know is Christmas time, everybody likes to say love words to each other... but let’s focus on the ground game(btw you guys discussing has more action than ea ufc 3 ground)

[aholbert32]

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Ahobert has done an amazing job arguing for sliders and updating the stats regarding the current cast. He just isnt caught up in nolstagia like some of you. I say this as someone that disagrees with him on a lot of things.

Good Grappler is as obsessed with grappling as anyone and gave a very fair review of both games. Yes UD3 is better in some aspects but restarting the ground game from nothing doesnt help anyone. We should be fighting to add the things that you like about UD3 not taking away everything from EA UFC grappling.

If you can really sit there and act like there’s nothing EA does better in terms of grappling you’re just fanboying hard and your opinion shouldnt be taken seriously.

You and I disagree on a ton of stuff all the time...have either of us been banned?

Same goes for Retracted.....or WARMMA....or AeroZ....or any number of other posters who have been here forever.

We all seem to make our point, disagree and not get banned. Cant say the same for others though.

What cracks me up is he takes credit for the "outside fighting change." I'll say this. I was behind the scenes when these changes were made. You know who the two people who were most influential in getting those changes....you and Martialmind. I dont remember a single time anyone ever referenced an idea or post of 1212's behind the scenes.

[bmlimo]

Re: EA UFC 3 or Undisputed 3 ground game?

Ahobert has done an amazing job arguing for sliders and updating the stats regarding the current cast. He just isnt caught up in nolstagia like some of you. I say this as someone that disagrees with him on a lot of things.

Good Grappler is as obsessed with grappling as anyone and gave a very fair review of both games. Yes UD3 is better in some aspects but restarting the ground game from nothing doesnt help anyone. We should be fighting to add the things that you like about UD3 not taking away everything from EA UFC grappling.

If you can really sit there and act like there’s nothing EA does better in terms of grappling you’re just fanboying hard and your opinion shouldnt be taken seriously.

Or... we just don’t like a system that deny is the main weapon for attack and for defense... when should be a simple matter of stall... and strategy + gnp beeing the real key for the W