Anyone find any semblance of a running game yet?

[Therebelyell626]

Re: Anyone find any semblance of a running game yet?

I think this game wants us to pass more

KInd of like the real NFL. Weird.

[tril]

Re: Anyone find any semblance of a running game yet?

yes. Ive seen a running game. but too many loss of yards on running plays. these plays negate the running stats big time.

[Therebelyell626]

Re: Anyone find any semblance of a running game yet?

You’re looking purely at the final picture, the problem is that we never should have gotten to that point. We have 6 guys to block 5. Instead, we have our RT go and double team a player that isn’t even in his gap. I think literally anyone can look at that alignment pre-snap and understand that he wouldn’t block there realistically. However he does, which causes the entire scheme to be messed up on what should have been a pretty easy big gain for us. It hurts things from a basic gameplay point of view, and completely eliminates anyone playing this trying to emulate realism.

I’ve seen people in other threads pointing out the same thing. This was something that, at one point in time, was implemented very well by EA. Whereas now, it’s implemented extremely poorly.

The previous picture of mine shows these issues on an even greater scale. Players not only blocking the wrong people before the snap, but also not blocking threats by proximity. They just end up running to random people. If we are getting the set up that we want, and the players will not do what they should be doing, that is a problem. If they were getting to the right person and not hitting blocks, that’s a completely different discussion. As it is now, it’s a problem.

Of course I am. The final picture is the end result of the play. If you posted video there would be more to dissect, and who knows I may even agree with you. But from the pictures I am seeing a ton of options for you. I also pointed out a pre play adjustment (audibling to pass, changing direction to weak side you could use).

[Therebelyell626]

Re: Anyone find any semblance of a running game yet?

yes. Ive seen a running game. but too many loss of yards on running plays. these plays negate the running stats big time.

I haven't rushed for less than 63 yards with my #1 back in a game in a while on all madden (I point out 63 because that's my lowest total from the last 13 games). 63 yards over a 16 game season is 1,008 yards. Only 9 players rushed for over a 1,000 yards last season. I think people are used to old madden #'s. If you are picking up 60 or more every game from your lead back that is a solid season. Only top guys like zeke and bell should even be close to sniffing a 90 to 100 yard average

I think people are getting caught up in the fact the game by game numbers are not "sexy". But anyone who plays fantasy football will tell you the real life numbers aren't all that sexy outside of the top guys. I picked up Alex Collins on waivers last year and was thrilled he averaged 6 to 7 points a week non ppr. That's not a sexy average but it is damn consistent

[GameBreaker35]

Re: Anyone find any semblance of a running game yet?

You’re looking purely at the final picture, the problem is that we never should have gotten to that point. We have 6 guys to block 5. Instead, we have our RT go and double team a player that isn’t even in his gap. I think literally anyone can look at that alignment pre-snap and understand that he wouldn’t block there realistically. However he does, which causes the entire scheme to be messed up on what should have been a pretty easy big gain for us. It hurts things from a basic gameplay point of view, and completely eliminates anyone playing this trying to emulate realism.

I’ve seen people in other threads pointing out the same thing. This was something that, at one point in time, was implemented very well by EA. Whereas now, it’s implemented extremely poorly.

The previous picture of mine shows these issues on an even greater scale. Players not only blocking the wrong people before the snap, but also not blocking threats by proximity. They just end up running to random people. If we are getting the set up that we want, and the players will not do what they should be doing, that is a problem. If they were getting to the right person and not hitting blocks, that’s a completely different discussion. As it is now, it’s a problem.

Just asking the question, but could this be a dice-roll for missed assignments possibly? I’d be interested in seeing if we were to artificially increase every blockers awareness to 99, and use default sliders, if the blockers would block the defenders that they should based on concept. I could live with misses assignments from a game design standpoint; I’d have a more difficult time living with incorrect execution from the get go - as that defeats the purpose of strategically calling specific runs against specific fronts.

[Matt10]

Re: Anyone find any semblance of a running game yet?

There is better blocking on fast speed. Try it. Problem is, iirc, there is the RB stuck in mud glitch.

[Vanilla_Gorilla]

Re: Anyone find any semblance of a running game yet?

The only reason my run game fails at times is because of the garbage OL play. Missed assignments, idiotic double teams, pull-guards not even hustling at all.

Split back Power-O, my center and RG decide to double team Washington's 74 OVR nose-tackle which left Kamara to block Ryan Kerrigan while the RT moves up to block the LB.


You can imagine how that went.

[Vanilla_Gorilla]

Re: Anyone find any semblance of a running game yet?

There is better blocking on fast speed. Try it. Problem is, iirc, there is the RB stuck in mud glitch.

That glitch still exists? That was the bane of my existence in NCAA 14.

[Matt10]

Re: Anyone find any semblance of a running game yet?

That glitch still exists? That was the bane of my existence in NCAA 14.

I know, man. Pretty sad. I love the animations on Slow, but the RB stuck in mud is instantly a fail.

Maybe it bodes well that there is some form of similarity to NCAA, even if it is a bug? Wishful thinking, I know.

[ODogg]

Re: Anyone find any semblance of a running game yet?

The only reason my run game fails at times is because of the garbage OL play. Missed assignments, idiotic double teams, pull-guards not even hustling at all.

Split back Power-O, my center and RG decide to double team Washington's 74 OVR nose-tackle which left Kamara to block Ryan Kerrigan while the RT moves up to block the LB.


You can imagine how that went.

I agree sometimes the plays don't run like they should BUT with that being said, I think we've all watched football enough to know it happens in the real NFL as well.

Don't get me wrong though, I do agree that this game needs patched but I also like to see just dumb OL choices on occasion, preferably by the guys who do it IRL

[Vanilla_Gorilla]

Re: Anyone find any semblance of a running game yet?

I agree sometimes the plays don't run like they should BUT with that being said, I think we've all watched football enough to know it happens in the real NFL as well.

Don't get me wrong though, I do agree that this game needs patched but I also like to see just dumb OL choices on occasion, preferably by the guys who do it IRL

I've been hoping that they would eventually add in a OL-Double Team feature. Sorta like "ID the Mike" where you would tell your OL to double-team a certain guy rather than leaving it up to AI to decide who to double-team. That would eliminate a lot of the issues.

Missed assignments happen, I know, but sometimes they just happen a little too much in-game.

[xCoachDx]

Re: Anyone find any semblance of a running game yet?

Just asking the question, but could this be a dice-roll for missed assignments possibly? I’d be interested in seeing if we were to artificially increase every blockers awareness to 99, and use default sliders, if the blockers would block the defenders that they should based on concept. I could live with misses assignments from a game design standpoint; I’d have a more difficult time living with incorrect execution from the get go - as that defeats the purpose of strategically calling specific runs against specific fronts.

I kind of wondered this too. But how often do NFL caliber linemen mess up their assignment? I wouldn’t think it’s too often. And I’m seeing incorrect stuff happen pretty frequently.

Can you imagine what Jon Gruden would do if he saw his RT try to block a defensive player lined up outside of his TE? Oh the profanity..

[ODogg]

Re: Anyone find any semblance of a running game yet?

I kind of wondered this too. But how often do NFL caliber linemen mess up their assignment? I wouldn’t think it’s too often. And I’m seeing incorrect stuff happen pretty frequently.

Can you imagine what Jon Gruden would do if he saw his RT try to block a defensive player lined up outside of his TE? Oh the profanity..

I think I was thinking more about lineman who are moving too slow, just plain whiff on a block...more than they don't know what to do.

Different problem I agree but same result, someone gets killed in the backfield. We do see it happen every week in the real game.

But again, not to say I disagree with you all, I do want to see it happen less often in Madden and in the way that it happens sometimes looks terrible.

I just recall back in the old PS2 days when everyone was perfectly blocked and the QB had all day (suction blocking helped of course) and now at least the lineplay is fairly unpredictable, which I like...

[xCoachDx]

Re: Anyone find any semblance of a running game yet?

I think I was thinking more about lineman who are moving too slow, just plain whiff on a block...more than they don't know what to do.



Different problem I agree but same result, someone gets killed in the backfield. We do see it happen every week in the real game.



But again, not to say I disagree with you all, I do want to see it happen less often in Madden and in the way that it happens sometimes looks terrible.



I just recall back in the old PS2 days when everyone was perfectly blocked and the QB had all day (suction blocking helped of course) and now at least the lineplay is fairly unpredictable, which I like...

I would not be having complaints about players getting beat on a block. That is something that we do see every day, which is where ratings should come into play (higher block rating means less chance of getting beat, etc). But getting stopped for a minimal gain because the OL isn’t attempting to block the right people is a different story.

I’m all about having to scratch and claw for every inch (unintentional Any Given Sunday speech [emoji3]). But if it’s happening unnaturally, then it’s a problem. Like what if we are experiencing the occasional 80+ yard run, but when we go back and look at it, it’s only happening because any unblocked defenders are running away from the play. Do we really feel like we accomplished anything? Even tho the results are realistic from a yardage standpoint, how we got there is silly and not rewarding at all.

[stinkubus]

Re: Anyone find any semblance of a running game yet?

I kind of wondered this too. But how often do NFL caliber linemen mess up their assignment? I wouldn’t think it’s too often. And I’m seeing incorrect stuff happen pretty frequently.

Can you imagine what Jon Gruden would do if he saw his RT try to block a defensive player lined up outside of his TE? Oh the profanity..

OL play has been declining across the league for years. There's only a handful of teams that can honestly lay claim to having a "good" line and many have *very* poor lines, like SEA.