Anyone find any semblance of a running game yet?

[edgevoice]

Re: Anyone find any semblance of a running game yet?

The reason to not press turbo until you get into the open field is that the D-Line instantly block sheds when you hit it.

Am I wrong for thinking this is absolutely ridiculous? Like is this EA’s way of balancing the game?

There is no question that d-lineman break blocks pretty quickly when sprint is engaged. The reason for this is that you have declared to what hole you are going to hit and just like in real life football, d-lineman are going to attack you as you attempt to run thru that hole.

Does EA pull this animation off perfectly? No, they don't but if you time your cut and burst accordingly, believe me you can run the ball effectively in Madden 19. You will be exploding by the d-line as they break blocks. Feathering both the sprint and left stick when controlling your back also is helpful.

Believe me, I'm not trying to come across as having all the answers here. It is much, much harder to the run, but other than the immediate insta-sheds that sometimes occur upon the snap, I feel the ground game is the most realistic it's ever been. Many of us clamor for a sim-style of play. While minor tweaks, not nerfing are needed, this is a close as Madden as ever come to pulling it off in my humble opinion.

[cal7_11]

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I’m guessing this has been mentioned but I spent hours in practice getting used to the new run game.

The key, much like real life, is PATIENCE! Wait until a gap opens up and use JUST THE RIGHT STICK to direct you RB through it. Don’t touch any other buttons or the left stick until you’ve got through a gap or you have a clear line to the edge.

Once you are through the gap you then need to make a move - acceleration, juke, spin etc.

If no gap opens up go up to your blockers WITHOUT holding sprint and hold the right stick forwards, they will then try and manouvere a gap for themselves.

[xCoachDx]

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I went into the skills trainer and figured out exactly how to do the new moves and such. Really helped out a lot. Some timing is needed on your cuts but once you figure it out, it’s really good.

[prey2god]

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I just put the RB to do auto skills moves and I kill in the running game.

[OhMrHanky]

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Also, on stretch plays that should go outside, meaning if the defensive players are being blocked well and/or the defensive key(s) are trying to force/stay inside, u should wait to sprint until u are almost lined up with the key defender, but in this situation, while running parallel to LOS, u can sprint ‘early’ and hit the outside well. U need to pay attn to go well your wr is blocking on the outside and either turn inside the block or continue outside. But, my point being, u should lay off sprint on a stretch to the outside until u are near the edge of the defenders, then hit that turbo and u WILL accelerate past them to the outside for at least a 3 yard gain to the sideline or for huge gains outside.

In this case, u can sprint behind the LOS, but u still need to wait to do it. I’m seeing fabulous runs outside with Freeman and Coleman. They both have quality acceleration, and I see it on these stretches outside. They absolutely blow the LB or DE away. But, again, it’s about waiting to time it right. And, honestly, this is one of the reasons I’m totally digging M19 right now. This is actually playing out quite realistic. U see this on Sundays. A RB sort of walks/jogs for 1-2 secs while he’s judging the blocking and sort of forcing the blocking to occur. Then when he’s near the engaged blocker, he takes off and blows away.

Now, if the defensive key goes way outside forcing u inside, u need to realize that, take it inside, and in this case, most of the time, u still need to wait to turbo as you’re navigating a few more blocks. But, again, when u r aligned, so to speak, with a ‘final’ engaged blocker, TAKE OFF!!! Lol. It’s actually totally rewarding. Sprinting actually has meaning now, imo. Maddens of yesteryear, u just spammed turbo because your player ran faster. Well, now, u REALLY run FASTER for about 5 yards or so and can really gain true separation from the pack.


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[Ram209]

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I can’t figure out the run game. My RB usually stops for a split second after getting the ball. Either that or I get stopped for a loss. It usually takes me 30 carries to get 80 yards.


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It's a bug it happens when you have the game on slow or very slow speed.... Check to see what you have game speed on. Try moving it up... Between this and the center glitch it ruins the run game

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[MizzouRah]

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Whoever said AP defaults with 60 for both CPU and HUM run blocking hit the nail on the head. My last game I ran well as did the CPU team. Felt and played much better, thanks!

[Brandwin]

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So 60 run block and lower tackling?

[MizzouRah]

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So 60 run block and lower tackling?

Small sample size for me, just one game only changing run blocking for both CPU and HUM to 60. I didn't touch tackling.

[airraid73]

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I am playing on all pro. I get the concept of not immediately holding the sprint button, but I'm terrible at running in this game. It definitely will take time for me to adjust. I've been using the cowboys in practice mode, I had more success running than when I use the browns in franchise mode, so maybe that's the key to my run struggles.



But yeah, I spent so long practicing run plays that my left thumb hurts a bit lol.

Lol! Same here ,got a lil bump on my left thumb

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[Mike_Chase27]

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Small sample size for me, just one game only changing run blocking for both CPU and HUM to 60. I didn't touch tackling.

I would say lower it by a few ticks. I felt lowering it caused that ridiculous cpu block shedding to happen less often. Honestly when people complain about running in this game I'm almost positive this is what they're talking about. You can have all the stick skills in the world it doesn't matter when you get tackled right as you get the ball.

You might need to lower human tackling as well to get the cpu run game going. Truthfully this game needs more slider options.

[49erscott]

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Seems like part of the issue might be run blocking ratings and the trade off between them and block shedding. Most teams don't have many guys with a single run blocking rating over 80 (that includes run block finesse and run block power). Some teams don't have any. I haven't looked at too many block shed ratings, just a few teams but most of those have at least two guys with block shed ratings over 80, and some of them have a few guys with shed ratings in excess of 85.

The way the engine is running atm this seems to be resulting in an enormous number of carries going for losses or 1/2 yards, and effectively none going for even 6-10 because at least one lineman gets beat and the defender makes the stop. All it seems to need is 1/5 of the linemen to get beat, and that happens a lot when they're so often at a distinct rating disadvantage that appears to be too heavily impacting the outcome calculations.

The combination of this outcome calculation imbalance (the ratings are fine to me, it's just the calculating of the outcomes that's the issue); slightly overpowered pursuit - especially from the back side - (perhaps related to RPM speed imbalances); CPU running backs having really poor vision and cutting into traffic with the open field in front of them; and the lack of awareness of linemen and the tendency for lead blockers to be ineffective at the second level, causes the physical run game to be severely impacted.

The other issue (if you are a user vs CPU or CPU vs CPU player) seems to be the CPU play calling, that is a bit too obvious and goes away from the run too soon. Even teams like the Rams and the Jags abandon the run far too readily. In matches against them, they have been within a TD for three quarters (albeit behind) but don't really run the ball. Eventually the obscene pass-run imbalance leads to turnovers and the lead gets opened up, which leads to more passes and a spiralling of the situation. One game against the Jags they carried the ball fewer than 10 times and passed more than 35 times, despite being within a touchdown until midway through the 4th quarter.

Essentially there appear to be a whole host of small reasons contributing to the lack of run game in Madden 19, albeit all ones that would appear to have possible fixes.

[lions2k9]

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Was having trouble but some tips combined with the run blocking slider, tackle and player speed threshold slider has allowed me to finally start running and getting good results for both user and cpu running. Granted this is working for my skill level and everyone has to tweak to their preference. My blocking seems a little too good at times, but by the end of the game the stats are usually balanced out.

All Pro
12 min qtrs with 25 second playclock
User RB: 60
CPU RB: 60
User T: 38
CPU T: 40
MST: 38

Tips: Do not use the acceleration button in the backfield much. Just use the left stick to guide you to your launch point of the run and then accelerate through the hole or sometimes wait until you’ve already gone through the hole and then accelerate into open field. If I’m behind the line of scrimmage and using the turbo button it’s only when I’m way outside on a stretch or toss play.

I’m basically getting 20-30 rushes a game, averaging 3.8-6.0 ypc and so is the CPU.

[m1ke_nyc]

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What I'm finding with the running game is you have to lay off the turbo button. It seems the game is programmed so that if your abusing the turbo button especially behind the line of scrimmage it triggers instasheds by defenders. Also, if you do turbo behind the line of scrimmage it's typically only effective running outside, or if it's 3rd and short and you just wanna get the 1 or 2 yards. Haven't fooled with sliders yet as I'm still trying to get accustomed to the AI and the new mechanics.

[swankyjax]

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It's a bug it happens when you have the game on slow or very slow speed.... Check to see what you have game speed on. Try moving it up... Between this and the center glitch it ruins the run game

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Is there a known center glitch? I turned down to slow speed yesterday (I have preferred slow speed in the past) and suddenly I was just getting killed on all counter type runs and was getting blown up on most playaction passes. When I would watch the replay it seemed like my center would just slowly rotate while his arms glitched out and he wouldn't come close to touching anyone.

I was really enjoying the run game on normal speed prior to that.

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