Is madden building on a broken foundation?

[jobforacreebree]

Re: Is madden building on a broken foundation?

IGN Sports games are reviewed by nerds who no little to nothing about the sport of the game they are reviewing.

As long as its fun in anyway to them, they will give it a high score. They have no clue how to discern if certain aspects of the game are working as they ACTUALLY should. Just read some of the reviews from those years and its evident. Real football fans can pick up on in. Casual fans and people who dont know much about the sport wouldnt really be able to tell unless someone told them

Also, its fairly plausible that they are getting paid off or that they are just trying to kiss butt because they do have a good relationship with EA.

I think it has more to do with the fact that IGN and GameStop are sister companies.

And what would please me, would be ****ing competition.

[43M]

Re: Is madden building on a broken foundation?

I think it has more to do with the fact that IGN and GameStop are sister companies.

And what would please me, would be f*cking competition.

That would please everyone, I think.

Everyone except EA and Madden fanboys, at least.

[jobforacreebree]

Re: Is madden building on a broken foundation?

That would please everyone, I think.

Everyone except EA and Madden fanboys, at least.

Oh well, we can keep dreaming I guess.

[Broncos86]

Re: Is madden building on a broken foundation?

http://www.metacritic.com/game/xbox-360/madden-nfl-11

[Only1LT]

Re: Is madden building on a broken foundation?

IGN Ratings of Madden on 360/PS3:

Madden 06: 8.0 "Great"
Madden 07: 8.5 "Great"
Madden 08: 8.7 "Great"
Madden 09: 8.8 "Great"
Madden 10: 8.9 "Great"
Madden 11: 8.0 "Great"

Really. Madden 06 is the same as Madden 11? Madden 10 was the pinnacle? Madden 06 was one of the worst games I have ever played and it got a "Great" score?

You can't only go by the score. What was an 8.0 yesterday might be a 5.0 10 years from now. You have to read the reviews also.

The reviews for a franchise aren't always done by the same person every year either. Not to mention that the person who reviews Madden on IGN usually, isn't what I'd call a Football videogame fanatic either.

Be that as it may, we weren't talking about people that don't review games to your liking, we were talking about reasons why an editor of a game site could have a great opinion in a preview for a game, and then turn around and give the same game a terrible review.

[Only1LT]

Re: Is madden building on a broken foundation?

I stopped playing Madden 07 for PS2 after maybe a month. It was the same system I'd seen for years. The same flaws, the same gaffes. Run-blocking was horrid to me. I was sick of the limitations. Franchise mode was good, but the game play was very stale.

Some are being truthful, but I think others look back at last gen with rose-colored glasses. Nostalgia seeps in and they think of good times. Last gen, people complained about the same things we complain about now. Super LBs, mind-reading CBs who never have to look at the ball, etc.

Madden 09 was, for me, a jacked up football game. The changes between Madden 09 to Madden 10 were glorious. I was DONE with Madden entirely, until I played the Madden 10 demo. Everything felt better about the game. Yeah, there wasn't a lot of "OMG!" moments. But at least finally I didn't feel like I was playing a broken football game that fed upon my blood-filled tears.

I do not believe Madden is built on a broken foundation. I think the frame work is fine, but reversing years of mistakes takes time. Madden 10 did a lot, for me, in righting a lot of wrongs. We've come a long way, very quickly, in what we expect in a football game. I think Madden has something positive going forward, and I think what they've rebuilt with M10, M11, and M12 is something to be happy about.

Some want sweeping changes. A new engine, physics, etc. It won't happen, not with this gaming generation. And this pisses them off and causes them to flame EA to no end. For those people, I can offer no solution, because no solution will please them. But for those who are rational, and who formulate opinions based upon common sense and reasoning, I can point out many beneficial aspects of Madden that will have them looking to the future of Madden with optimism.

You had me all the way until the last paragraph lol.

[Broncos86]

Re: Is madden building on a broken foundation?

You had me all the way until the last paragraph lol.

Last paragraph, in other words (tl;dr):

"Haters gonna hate."

[Only1LT]

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Last paragraph, in other words (tl;dr):

"Haters gonna hate."

If that's how you want to look at it lol. I just don't think that people that want drastic changes are necessarily irrational.

[Smoke6]

Re: Is madden building on a broken foundation?

I stopped playing Madden 07 for PS2 after maybe a month. It was the same system I'd seen for years. The same flaws, the same gaffes. Run-blocking was horrid to me. I was sick of the limitations. Franchise mode was good, but the game play was very stale.

Some are being truthful, but I think others look back at last gen with rose-colored glasses. Nostalgia seeps in and they think of good times. Last gen, people complained about the same things we complain about now. Super LBs, mind-reading CBs who never have to look at the ball, etc.

Madden 09 was, for me, a jacked up football game. The changes between Madden 09 to Madden 10 were glorious. I was DONE with Madden entirely, until I played the Madden 10 demo. Everything felt better about the game. Yeah, there wasn't a lot of "OMG!" moments. But at least finally I didn't feel like I was playing a broken football game that fed upon my blood-filled tears.

I do not believe Madden is built on a broken foundation. I think the frame work is fine, but reversing years of mistakes takes time. Madden 10 did a lot, for me, in righting a lot of wrongs. We've come a long way, very quickly, in what we expect in a football game. I think Madden has something positive going forward, and I think what they've rebuilt with M10, M11, and M12 is something to be happy about.

Some want sweeping changes. A new engine, physics, etc. It won't happen, not with this gaming generation. And this pisses them off and causes them to flame EA to no end. For those people, I can offer no solution, because no solution will please them. But for those who are rational, and who formulate opinions based upon common sense and reasoning, I can point out many beneficial aspects of Madden that will have them looking to the future of Madden with optimism.

Just to silence you...


Madden 06 engine





And this is what we have now!!!






This is the second engine this gen with that first one being the best and the "demo" version that sold for $60. Instead of building on that with features and tweaks, they just scrapped it and went back to the old style and look of the game and are still behind.

[Broncos86]

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Just to silence you...


This is the second engine this gen with that first one being the best and the "demo" version that sold for $60. Instead of building on that with features and tweaks, they just scrapped it and went back to the old style and look of the game and are still behind.

You don't understand what an "engine" is. For starters, Madden is not built upon one all-glorifying "engine." It's comprised of varying parts, all driving different aspects of the game. The graphics have nothing to do with how AI reacts to zone coverage. AI scripting has nothing to do with how an offensive lineman is capable (or incapable) of progressively driving a DE backwards (or vice versa). All of that is separate from the commentary system. You're making vast assumptions that are incorrect.

If that's how you want to look at it lol. I just don't think that people that want drastic changes are necessarily irrational.

Well, are you one of those individuals who fits what I described as someone who ignores reason and just flames EA? If you're not, then it doesn't apply (and I know you're not, LT).

[roadman]

Re: Is madden building on a broken foundation?

If that's how you want to look at it lol. I just don't think that people that want drastic changes are necessarily irrational.

I think we can assume drastic changes take time with most things.

Not inferring anything.

[Smoke6]

Re: Is madden building on a broken foundation?

You don't understand what an "engine" is. For starters, Madden is not built upon one all-glorifying "engine." It's comprised of varying parts, all driving different aspects of the game. The graphics have nothing to do with how AI reacts to zone coverage. AI scripting has nothing to do with how an offensive lineman is capable (or incapable) of progressively driving a DE backwards (or vice versa). All of that is separate from the commentary system. You're making vast assumptions that are incorrect.




Well, are you one of those individuals who fits what I described as someone who ignores reason and just flames EA? If you're not, then it doesn't apply (and I know you're not, LT).

The engine is just everything you described and the images I showed is part of that engine they jumped from to what we have now! That 06 version played "entirely" different from the way the game plays now. The Oline and dline interactions were there, pockets were there, the run game was there, and to top it off, I dont even remember any suction blocking being as problematic as its been since they changed it in 07-til now.

I mean do you even play these games and remember what you played or do you move on from year to year? Maybe its the marketing that has gotten you feeling and not seeing what has become of madden, There is no excuse for the series to be as stagnate in areas we have been crying and begging for to get fixed for years.

I am pretty sure you can to the wish lists thread and get an eyeful of whats going on and how people feel, but you would probably think most of them are delusional and are just asking for too much.

[Only1LT]

Re: Is madden building on a broken foundation?

Well, are you one of those individuals who fits what I described as someone who ignores reason and just flames EA? If you're not, then it doesn't apply (and I know you're not, LT).

Ah. I didn't read it that way initially. I read it as people that are rational and sensible don't want drastic changes or understand that they will never happen. at least not on the PS3/ 360.

I see what you meant now though.

Although I think that an RTP engine is doable on this gen and we may see it happen. It is in other EA titles. I know it would be more difficult to code for a Football game, but I'm not saying that a perfect RTP engine could be done for Madden 13 or 14, just that they could add it.

It won't work flawlessly when ever they add it, be it this gen or 2 gens from now. They have to start somewhere.

[SA1NT401]

EA suits don't remotely care about overall quality....exclusivity negates competition...they know people will buy it....the developers on can do what they are allowed to do....


I am sure if developers could speak honestly....I would be very sure they would all agree they are being SEVERLY limited to what they would actually like to do....they fl their best, but EA itself holds them back...and that's why I LOATHE EA with s passion and also why u no longer purchase madden....thank god for gamefly.

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[CRMosier_LM]

Re: Is madden building on a broken foundation?

If that's how you want to look at it lol. I just don't think that people that want drastic changes are necessarily irrational.

Not people that want drastic changes are irrational but people that think drastic changes can be made in one cycle are irrational and don't think about the consequences.